That was objectively boring as f***

[Cheese_&_mma_lover]

Sitting in half guard for 4 minutes of a round doing nothing. You got Kebab in the corner commanding Islam to not make the fight exciting.

Don’t give me that “well JDM should have been able to get up” Islam trains to do just what he did. He trains to control in those positions while JDM is training to be offensive, combinations.

When Belal fought Leon, I wanted Leon to win more than anything. He’s English like myself, and the way Belal was carrying on pre fight it built the fight more. By the end of the fight Belal had earned my respect with his performance. He was in the pocket trading, mixing things up with his grappling to do damage. I had to take my hat off to him

Tonight I wanted JDM to win. What we saw take place was tragic. Just like Khamzat’s performance vs DDP. Eastern fighters are killing the sport, they are completely bereft of any semblance of showmanship

you are just butt hurt your guy lost.

Islam was piecing up JDM standing. mauled his legs. was close to getting multiple submissions.

It's not Islam's fault that JDM isn't good.

 

[Goatenstein]

Sitting in half guard for 4 minutes of a round doing nothing. You got Kebab in the corner commanding Islam to not make the fight exciting.

Don’t give me that “well JDM should have been able to get up” Islam trains to do just what he did. He trains to control in those positions while JDM is training to be offensive, combinations.

When Belal fought Leon, I wanted Leon to win more than anything. He’s English like myself, and the way Belal was carrying on pre fight it built the fight more. By the end of the fight Belal had earned my respect with his performance. He was in the pocket trading, mixing things up with his grappling to do damage. I had to take my hat off to him

Tonight I wanted JDM to win. What we saw take place was tragic. Just like Khamzat’s performance vs DDP. Eastern fighters are killing the sport, they are completely bereft of any semblance of showmanship

Keep crying

 

[Myrddin Wild]

MMA is a fighting experiment to see what fighting style is best. At 322... & many timez in teh past... we've seen this wrestling heavy approach to taking strikers out of their element.

GSP (for example) had a very active top position game, but everyone at the time waz diminishing his accomplishments because he was so dominant on the ground to nulify his opponents. In hindsite they all applaud him now for his accomplishments, & the nay sayers were wrong that he was stalling n stuff, because he wasn't... he had a very active top game.

It's a similar dynamic in that we don't give love to the people who are now using the ground to nullify great strikerz. It's fascinating to behold. Both main & co-main winners were incredibly effective at nullifying the game of their "striker heavy" adversaries, but they didn't just "lay n pray"... they were active... in so much as their top teir adversary would allow.

The key is to 1st nullify, then you do what you can while continuing to nullify. I don't see a problem with that as long as teh top fighter is "Active."

 

[Karate Kid]

so we are subjected to a whingefest about how the fight was boring.

not Islam's fault JDM looked out of his depth even on the stand-up relying upon...wait for it, his boxing hands.

Islam destroyed his calf and kept beautiful baseline distance to nullify JDM's inside threat.


what are you mad lol

 

[Streeter]

The entire last hour and 20 minutes of the card absolutely was.

First 3 fights of main card were great . The wmma fight wasnt the worst but meh the main was a snoozer.

 

[Marko Polo]

you are just butt hurt your guy lost.

Islam was piecing up JDM standing. mauled his legs. was close to getting multiple submissions.

It's not Islam's fault that JDM isn't good.

I literally said in the exact post you’re replying too about how I backed Leon then showed respect to Belal’s performance. Are you actually barely sentient or do you just act like that?

 

[djason1988]

I think by this point it's the fault of us fans getting suckered into thinking non-wrestlers stand a chance against these guys lol.

I'm not making that mistake again.

If you get suckered into believing Illia has a chance against this style and get all hyped up. You deserve the disappointment haha.

Dude doesn't realize Ilia started his career as a wrestler with multiple submission wins. Ilia is not some 1-dimensional striker. Hell, he still has more subs than ko's.

 

[Coconutwater]

If Islam did nothing then I guess JDM did less than nothing.

They always blame the dominant fighter. Blame the loser for not having the defense or offense to make a good, competitive fight

 

[Marko Polo]

They always blame the dominant fighter. Blame the loser for not having the defense or offense to make a good, competitive fight

I blame the rules at this point, not Islam for gaming them.

 

[Alpha_T83]

JDM didn't once try going for deep half or doing something to get a sweep.

The problem is you can't do that shit against the level of wrestling that Khabib and Islam bring to the table.

BJJ guys all say the same thing until get they get in there with one of these dagi wrestlers, and then they shut their whore mouths afterwards. Even Maia said, NO ONE can submit guys like Khabib in an MMA fight. He's just too good with his top pressure.

That's why we need mandatory standups in MMA. The dagi wrestlers have evolved to the point that they can hold you down for the whole round, and there's nothing you can do. You can't submit them. And if you try to stand up, they will take your back.

If they were forced to open with strikes and go for submissions, or be stood up in 30-60 seconds, then the fights would get much more exciting. When they open up for big punches, that either creates massive damage, or opens opportunities for a scramble to reset to the feet. If they go for an armbar, either they finish the fight, or they create a scramble that leads to opportunities to get back to the feet. They could make an aggressive move to go for mount instead of sitting in half guard or side control, but that would create an opportunity for scrambles to stand up.

Are you seeing a pattern? Caucuses wrestlers like Islam and Khamzat don't want to take risks with half guard and side control, because they know they will win rounds easily. Taking a risk to make the fight more exciting also risks scrambles and their opponent standing up. And unless we have mandatory standups after 30-60 seconds, this won't change.

 

[Mind Mine]

I am writing this thread after watching 1.25 rounds of a fight billed as a super fight. I want to first thank God for sparing me watching 3.75 rounds of yet another loophole wrestler doing the exact same thing most fans hated for years. I respect the athleticism and talent involved but it’s trash to watch. I’ve been to many live events and it would have been trash to experience. It was predictable and lame yet unfortunately it is the direction the UFC is headed.
The point of this thread is if die hard fans that have watched every last major event are predicting in advance that someone will wrestle and hold someone down and it will stink, and falling asleep on the biggest fight the UFC can make then perhaps it isn’t the fans nor the fighters that are the problem. Perhaps it is the UFC and the wildly inconsistent officiating.
I witnessed Keith Peterson break up Leon from working against the Octagon after 30 seconds FOR NO REASON while wrestlers are allowed to do the exact same thing FOR ENTIRE ROUNDS. There is no rhyme or reason as to how one of these things is stalling while the other is not. I don’t even understand the mindset of fans that cheer on as fights are separated while a fighter is working against the octagon yet cheer on what Islam did and call it legendary. Anything you can say as to why this was trash will be met with you should watch kickboxing then, while ignoring that 20 year fans are falling asleep on super fights in the first round.
I take nothing from the strength and training of these loophole wrestlers. I refuse to rate it on a scale of greatness. Once a fighter’s performance is so “great” I fall asleep and have zero intention of rewatching for what I missed because it will be more of exactly what put me to sleep how exactly can that be rated as anything I would call greatest?

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

No one is going to really get excited for someone's fight if they fight like that. At the same time, I can't hate on the man for securing a win. My friend and I discussed betting on the fight going the distance as that seemed like a lock. No one was going to finish unless there was a fluke

 

[Ladron4sherdog]

Look at them tears!!!
Goatachev bless

 

[Ares Black]

It took me a while before I could tell if you were talking about the main event or the Co-main TBH

 

[Rod Farva]

I blame the scoring. They have long overvalued takedowns and “octagon control”.
The round by round scoring doesn’t suit mma as well as it does boxing.
The rules have always been heavily in favor of the wrestler

 

[Verderglen23]

I know I'm wrong but man I hate "control time" as metric to win a fight.

 

[Prex32]

with the first takedown i knew we're in for a looooong ride

 

[Kung Fu Kowboy]

You missed a Prime GSP beat down

 

[Alpha_T83]

I blame the scoring. They have long overvalued takedowns and “octagon control”.
The round by round scoring doesn’t suit mma as well as it does boxing.
The rules have always been heavily in favor of the wrestler

Scoring changes won't even help (unless they start declaring the majority of rounds like Islam had 10-10 rounds).

We need rules that prevent 1 takedown winning a round with 3+ minutes of control time. There is zero reason you should be allowed to get 1 takedown and win the round based on that. This is sports entertainment, and that shit is boring as fuck.

Unless the fighter with top control is landing heavy punches (opening up fully), or takes mount/back control, it should be mandatory 30-60 second standups.

That forces the top control fighter to get active right away and take risks, which actually leads to exciting grappling. I like watching exciting grappling where guys open up for punches, go for armbars, scrambles are created, positions are reversed. That's MMA grappling that people want to watch.

But guys like Khabib, Islam, and Khamzat have perfected top control with minimal offense, focusing on position. You can't just stand up and even Demian Maia said NO BJJ guy is ever going to submit them in MMA. There's nothing you can do if they choose to lay on you for 3+ minutes.

 

[Tito Tapped]

I blame the scoring. They have long overvalued takedowns and “octagon control”.

This was addressed and new rules voted on over the summer. I don't know if NY got the memo.

The round by round scoring doesn’t suit mma as well as it does boxing.

The ring bell shouldn't be your method of getting up and escaping. If we're going to score it as a whole, fight the whole thing out without water and rest breaks.

The rules have always been heavily in favor of the wrestler

The rules favor those who produce offense. Every round starts separated and on your feet. A single bullshit lucky strike can now out score minutes of earned control.

What more do you want?