That was objectively boring as f***

[Rampage_Jackson]

it was boring but similar to Khamzat winning the belt, its just one fight. Its nothing I've come to expect from either guy. If it becomes a trend I'll lose interest.

 

[JustOnce]

I didn’t see DDP losing to Khamzat in the manner that he did, but I did have a thought in the lead up to that fight, that if/when DDP did lose, he would lose very very badly. Because of his style. He looks bad even when he wins

oh well to be fair to both, they went out trying and didn't get finished, so gotta respect for that.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

He tried real hard and managed to get up and whatnot at the very end of a few rounds. Not sure what the point of wasting energy for that was though haha. Seemed super dumb.

My thought seeing it happen was oh Islam is letting Jack work up at the end of the round because that takes more energy than being laid on in half guard. Just a way for him to drain Jack more.

super exciting lemme tell ya

 

[Stixx]

Objectively?

 

[NicholasJBasile]

I enjoyed it -- Islam is a technical marvel. JDM could've done more to make it more exciting imo as his skill development was lacking far more than I thought, but I still enjoyed Islam's takedowns and positional dominance. What he does is so much harder than it looks.

 

[Nobru]

Sitting in half guard for 4 minutes of a round doing nothing. You got Kebab in the corner commanding Islam to not make the fight exciting.

Don’t give me that “well JDM should have been able to get up” Islam trains to do just what he did. He trains to control in those positions while JDM is training to be offensive, combinations.

When Belal fought Leon, I wanted Leon to win more than anything. He’s English like myself, and the way Belal was carrying on pre fight it built the fight more. By the end of the fight Belal had earned my respect with his performance. He was in the pocket trading, mixing things up with his grappling to do damage. I had to take my hat off to him

Tonight I wanted JDM to win. What we saw take place was tragic. Just like Khamzat’s performance vs DDP. Eastern fighters are killing the sport, they are completely bereft of any semblance of showmanship

this. Some people like, the rules allow it, so its ok I guess. The thing is Merabs, Islams and Khamzats are drowning the sport. To the point i didnt watch shev-weili and jdm-islam. Been watching UFC since UFC 1. Really boring.

 

[sdpdude9]

What would ya'll think about introducing a submission clock to MMA similar to the sambo rule set?

• Once the match goes to the ground, the attacking fighter has to immediately transition to a pass and submission attempt, any kind of stalling or holding for more than 10 seconds is stopped and fighters stand up
• If a submission attempt is initiated, the attacking fighter has a set time (around one minute) to complete the submission or the defender has that same time to escape the hold. The referee will stop and stand the fighters up if submission is not complete after one minute
• In either case from the moment the takedown or throw is initiated the aggressor has 60 seconds to submit otherwise its stand up again, if its ground and pound once again the aggressor has to be trying to knock the bottom player out with elbows and hammers for the whole 60 seconds on the ground, no pitty patty hold on with one hand Khamzat punches.

Would need high level of timekeeping support and referee competence (not you Herzog)

Absolutely horrible idea. We need less artificial interference and ref involvement, not more. This would incentivize fighters off their back to stall and not even try to get up. You’re literally rewarding a fighter for getting taken down and stalling.

 

[2004 account]

What would ya'll think about introducing a submission clock to MMA similar to the sambo rule set?

• Once the match goes to the ground, the attacking fighter has to immediately transition to a pass and submission attempt, any kind of stalling or holding for more than 10 seconds is stopped and fighters stand up
• If a submission attempt is initiated, the attacking fighter has a set time (around one minute) to complete the submission or the defender has that same time to escape the hold. The referee will stop and stand the fighters up if submission is not complete after one minute
• In either case from the moment the takedown or throw is initiated the aggressor has 60 seconds to submit otherwise its stand up again, if its ground and pound once again the aggressor has to be trying to knock the bottom player out with elbows and hammers for the whole 60 seconds on the ground, no pitty patty hold on with one hand Khamzat punches.

Would need high level of timekeeping support and referee competence (not you Herzog)

Some change is needed


Perhaps just one simple rule, refs stand up a lay and pray artist after 2 mins of stall grappling. If he does it again next round then one minute is allowed before a stand up.


Third separate attempt and fruitless lnp should result in immediate stand up after take down.

 

[Mcnugget]

At least challenge yourself . Who scares you ? Challenge them.

Grow the sport by applying what your good at and utilizing it against someone who poses a challenge to solve.


For example khabib just picked off poirer and gaethje and we didn’t really get to see any great grappling exchanges . Sure we saw him dominate but we didn’t see the sport at its best

 

[Dirty Frank]

I enjoyed it. But it just goes to show when you are a fan of a fighter there isn't much they can do that is boring. If it was someone I didn't like, I would have found it terribly boring I'm sure.

This type of honesty I can get behind.

 

[Shidlord]

You hate it cause you wanted Islam to lose.

I can understand your pain, watching your guy getting slowly cooked alive for 25 minutes... must be painful to watch.

I on the other enjoyed it, and will watch it 2 more times later today... at 0.5x speed.

That's cold

 

[Meathead Jock]

People blaming the ref, but Islam has 13 submissions and is really good at the Darce choke.

If you thought the fight sucked, were you also confident that Islam wasn't going to get the submission at a certain point?

Until the final 2 minutes of the 5th round I remained confident that Islam would get the submission. It's weird to stand up a submission artist when they don't get a submission if they are fishing for it. JDM showing zero signs of being able to get up is still the larger problem here. Aside from a spot in the 5th where he gave up his back JDM was content with doing nothing and focusing on fending off submissions.

JDM also left the fight with a black eye and a damaged leg.

I'll admit biased, but it just wasn't as bad as people are saying. It just felt worse because there was a 25 minute top control title victory right before it as well. When you have two 25 minute one sided top control fights back to back it's going to feel worse than it was.

 

[JustBleed69]

Go cry and watch a different sport, One FC has Muay Thai on all the time.

 

[rod_stroker_420]

Absolutely horrible idea. We need less artificial interference and ref involvement, not more. This would incentivize fighters off their back to stall and not even try to get up. You’re literally rewarding a fighter for getting taken down and stalling.

I see your point. This could be negated by rewarding getting up within the minute or reversing position results in points for the fighter on bottom position. I'm spitballing, it's a tough one.

The fighters need to be incentivised to always be looking for a finish. Financial compensation for knockouts or submissions pushed as hard as possible while points victories are paid the award rate. if Islam had $150k submission bonus on offer today i reckon he gets that D'arce.

 

[Rockapotomuss]

he tried to get to octopus guard multiple time, as a BJJ guy I clearly recognized that, but Islam denied it every time. I think that was Craig Jones 'secret weapon' to sweep Islam, but yeah...good luck with that.

Oh ya and the buggy choke …. Kind of sad

 

[sdpdude9]

I see your point. This could be negated by rewarding getting up within the minute or reversing position results in points for the fighter on bottom position. I'm spitballing, it's a tough one.

The fighters need to be incentivised to always be looking for a finish. Financial compensation for knockouts or submissions pushed as hard as possible while points victories are paid the award rate. if Islam had $150k submission bonus on offer today i reckon he gets that D'arce.

I am fine with financial incentives. I just don’t believe adding even more rules and severely handicapping and almost eliminating grappling is a good idea.

 

[rod_stroker_420]

Looking back at Khabib's fights it does seem he tried to Smesh and hunt subs more than Islam.

Having said that, Islam has fought much higher level opponents and fought them at a time when the Dagi style has been analysed by opponents for 10 years now.

Khabib is naturally stronger than islam as well and had an almost psychological chokehold on opponents once they went to the ground. Islam is a much crisper striker and genuinely uses striking to set up his grappling.

Without the calf kicks JDM would have been much more confident to press the action on his feet. Couldnt believe how timid he was after the first minute of round 1. Watching the TD's back JDM bit hard on islam's feints because he felt power in the first round when they clashed.

Simply have to get better at defensive wrestling and judo techniques. I would also like to see a TD bait and counter gameplan emerge.

 

[Trabaho]

Too bad it´s not the ultimate excitement championships, tough luck bro.

Therefore we had a 4 spectacular KOs streak in a row all done by ranked fighters.

 

[pātrēärkē]

I think by this point it's the fault of us fans getting suckered into thinking non-wrestlers stand a chance against these guys lol.

I'm not making that mistake again.

If you get suckered into believing Illia has a chance against this style and get all hyped up. You deserve the disappointment haha.

Certainly not with the rules the way they are. It's why Pride never dies

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

It’s tough to finish guys that lay flat on their backs and do nothing to risk getting subbed trying to escape. JDM tried a few times and got his back taken and almost D’Arced, so he was lost as to how to create the scramble.

Here’s an idea - don’t get taken down. If you do, don’t get cross-faced and lay flat in half-guard for minutes at a time. It’s nice to know your fans will blame the opponent for methodically washing you, but in the end you’ll still get cooked.