Elections Republican house: no border deal till trump or republican president

[Andy Capp]

My view isn't so narrow where I limit it to just one country or one movement.

Well, that view certainly spares you saying anything relevant, useful, or intelligent. Good Job.

 

[Andy Capp]

Dont mistake my point for argument of the validity of any other candidates, they're all cretins. Just saying the electorate were not as fully sold on Trump, specifically, as Trumptards wish they were.

Indeed, it's the Red Wave all over again in 2024.

 

[helltoupee]

Were limiting the talent pool to "Legal" Americans and those crossing the borders illegally aren't coming here to be Doctors or Architects because those immigrants come here legally. I'm just glad that for whatever reason we can agree that record numbers of illegal criminals are breaking into our country and crossing the borders on a daily basis are doing so under Bidens watch. It time to Close the borders completely for a temporary basis and deploy the national guard or military to enforce the laws.

I was speaking more to the ideological inconsistency of believing that "best man for the job" is all that matters in a free marketplace (see the DEI thread). You can't honestly believe that conceptually and want to create an artificial construct of limiting the American talent pool to those that are native born by closing borders.

I agree immigration is a problem. American exceptionalism played a large part in creating the desperate conditions that has created such an influx of border crossings. As I stated earlier, right wing media loves to scream and yell that Biden and the Democrats wanted open borders, which is just attention grabbing nonsense. Naturally people hear that, and thought now is a good time to cross the border. That's not Biden's fault - he hardly changed any border policy from when Trump had the position and to this day remains mostly the same. The influx, by and large, came from the media scare mongering regular American voters in to thinking that the Democrats and Biden wanted, or have enacted, some completely open border policy, which other people who are in highly desperate situations obviously pick up on.

 

[HereticBD]

Indeed, it's the Red Wave all over again in 2024.

Only this time around, the youth that put a wrench into those plans, are now calling Biden "Genocide Joe", and will be most likely be voting for a third party candidate like Cornell West in the general.

 

[Andy Capp]

I was speaking more to the ideological inconsistency of believing that "best man for the job" is all that matters in a free marketplace (see the DEI thread). You can't honestly believe that conceptually and want to create an artificial construct of limiting the American talent pool to those that are native born by closing borders.

I agree immigration is a problem. American exceptionalism played a large part in creating the desperate conditions that has created such an influx of border crossings. As I stated earlier, right wing media loves to scream and yell that Biden and the Democrats wanted open borders, which is just attention grabbing nonsense. Naturally people hear that, and thought now is a good time to cross the border. That's not Biden's fault - he hardly changed any border policy from when Trump had the position and to this day remains mostly the same. The influx, by and large, came from the media scare mongering regular American voters in to thinking that the Democrats and Biden wanted, or have enacted, some completely open border policy, which other people who are in highly desperate situations obviously pick up on.

Good point. And it's apparent the they were in a position to know that before they started the screaming, It's not a new tactic.

 

[Andy Capp]

Only this time around, the youth that put a wrench into those plans, are now calling Biden "Genocide Joe", and will be most likely be voting for a third party candidate like Cornell West in the general.

You should get on your knees when you pray like that.

Cue single individual weirdo calling Biden Genocide Joe and accompanying holier-than-thou comment.


Got that out of your system? OK

Trump still has zero pull among independents. Whether or not I lose my wager with you about his candidacy*, I am still quite confident he won't be president again on this plane of existence. Sure, people don't want to choose between Biden and Trump, but when it comes down to it, they will.

I don't give two shits about Biden, FTR, and just like in this country with Trudeau, he'd be doing the right thing for his constituents by getting the fuck out of the way of the real good his party can do with a different leader--and the real harm his party can help prevent--by stepping aside for someone else. Selfish cunts, both of them. But they are not the sole embodiment of their party, whether they see themselves in such a light or not.

Trump will lose against anyone competent because independents don't want him. MAGA gives no fucks so he's the candidate anyway.

Biden will only lose by shooting himself in the arse too many times. He should go because the line is fast approaching.

Same with Trudeau, who crossed that threshold some time ago. Having said that, they're both the lesser of two evils under the current circumstances, sadly, but it's that simple come election time. The parties they represent can do a lot of good (in relative terms) with or without them.


*as sad a message as that sends to the international community

 

[Scerpi]

Well, Biden's been a very successful president by all measures, and you're embarrassing yourself waving the pompoms for the most corrupt president we've had (and arguing that he should be allowed to commit crimes with no legal response) who tried to overturn the constitution and stay in office after losing an election.

Is this a parody post?

Please define “successful”

 

[Rod1]

One thing wrong here. They're not asking for money to secure the border. They want the money to process illegals faster.

Because border is already secure, only morons think you can easily enter the US through the border and not getting caught.

The issue is the loophole many immigrants got where they claim asylum and then are just released until their hearing, which of course they always miss.

 

[Rod1]

Indeed. "A lot of Americans believe America needs to be ruled like a banana republic", like the ruling party feeling entitled to choose who they'd like to run against,

prosecuting their opponents

When they commit a crime? yeah no shit, maybe don't vote for criminals if you don't want "your guy" to be prosecuted.

taking the frontrunner off ballots, changing election rules at the last minute,

Biden took Trump out of the ballots? Biden changed the election rules?

and outsourcing speech rights to corporations who will silence opposition for them.

Oh yes, Democrats control all corporations.

Are you listening yourself here?

I realize you're not American and English isn't your first language, but we have a 2 party system,

Indeed

and "you" are the subservient liberals

Liberals built America and lifted liberalism proved to be the most efficient and powerful form of government in the XX century.

who kick and scream to keep a dementia puppet whose approval is 18 points under water in power

Again, not saying vote for Biden, but elect a decent Republican to be his opponent.

because you really just want an unelected oligarchy running everything.

Classic populist rethoric, "democracies are corrupt and decadent, only dear leader can bring our nation to its glory".

I guess weak men indeed breed hard times.

 

[BFoe]

The ONLY ones who do this are those not employed by said government or those who are and don't miss a paycheck due to the shutdown.

I don’t disagree there; what I don’t understand is why voters don’t take them to task over it. You and I are both old enough to remember the record shutdown when Clinton was President. Voters felt that republicans were to blame and made them pay at the polls.

Trump had 2 shutdowns in basically a single year, including one that was the longest ever, with no real political repercussions. These days, republicans in congress threaten shutdowns constantly, and it seems like their base supports it. There definitely hasn’t been a political downside to it. That’s what’s difficult for me to wrap my mind around.

 

[nostradumbass]

When they commit a crime? yeah no shit, maybe don't vote for criminals if you don't want "your guy" to be prosecuted.


Biden took Trump out of the ballots? Biden changed the election rules?


Oh yes, Democrats control all corporations.

Are you listening yourself here?


Indeed


Liberals built America and lifted liberalism proved to be the most efficient and powerful form of government in the XX century.


Again, not saying vote for Biden, but elect a decent Republican to be his opponent.



Classic populist rethoric, "democracies are corrupt and decadent, only dear leader can bring our nation to its glory".

I guess weak men indeed breed hard times.

What is the point of this stupid shit? Obviously I can convince everyone beng poorer is a good thing if I tell them my opponent is the first person in history to not commit a crme for 76 years, then suddenly as soon as he's leading the polls just happens to go on a "muh 91 felony" crime spree of novel legal theories with no victims exactly in election year? Yeah, that's the ticket.

Is Alexei Navalny a huge criminal? Just wondering.

Lol, "not saying vote for Biden, just saying don't vote for anybody ahead of him in the polls". Derp.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Because border is already secure,

 

[steveflynn]

Is this a parody post?

Please define “successful”

From a policy perspective he's definitely been successful. Obviously, Republicans will hate anything that comes from a Democratic POTUS and decry "communism" and "socialism" for anything passed but he's definitely passed a lot (Infrastructure, Innovation and competition act, CHIPs Act, Inflation and Reduction Act).

 

[Rod1]

Why not come down here and try entering the country without papers? see how far you get before getting caught.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

What is the point of this stupid shit? Obviously I can convince everyone beng poorer is a good thing if I tell them my opponent is the first person in history to not commit a crme for 76 years, then suddenly as soon as he's leading the polls just happens to go on a "muh 91 felony" crime spree of novel legal theories with no victims exactly in election year? Yeah, that's the ticket.

Is Alexei Navalny a huge criminal? Just wondering.

Lol, "not saying vote for Biden, just saying don't vote for anybody ahead of him in the polls". Derp.

LOL! Now this post is a dump truck full of horse shit...

 

[Mr Holmes]

Why not come down here and try entering the country without papers? see how far you get before getting caught.

I would probably get damn pretty far. Only morons think the border is secure because some of the illegals get caught.

 

[Darkballs]

Obviously I can convince everyone beng poorer is a good thing if I tell them my opponent is the first person in history to not commit a crme for 76 years, then suddenly as soon as he's leading the polls just happens to go on a "muh 91 felony" crime spree of novel legal theories with no victims exactly in election year?

Notice how you guys never even try to refute the charges, and instead just cry about them?

 

[Andy Capp]

Can't handle mean comments?

right? and the rest of'em with TDS who couldn't handle mean tweets and wanted the country burned down

 

[sickc0d3r]

I don’t disagree there; what I don’t understand is why voters don’t take them to task over it. You and I are both old enough to remember the record shutdown when Clinton was President. Votwra felt that republicans were to blame and made them pay at the polls.

Trump had 2 shutdowns in basically a single year, including one that was the longest ever, with no real political repercussions. These days, republicans in congress threaten shutdowns constantly, and it seems like their base supports it. There definitely hasn’t been a political downside to it. That’s what’s difficult for me to wrap my mind around.

It’s not really a mystery, imo. A large percentage of people would rather have no government than let democrats have any say at all in policy.

I can sympathize (usually as it applies to republicans), but I wouldn’t go so far as to discount the concerns of half the country just because I disagree. Unfortunately, some of us seem to have lost the ability to accept any kind of compromise. That’s why Trump’s pure authoritarian platform is so appealing, I guess.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I was speaking more to the ideological inconsistency of believing that "best man for the job" is all that matters in a free marketplace (see the DEI thread). You can't honestly believe that conceptually and want to create an artificial construct of limiting the American talent pool to those that are native born by closing borders.

I agree immigration is a problem. American exceptionalism played a large part in creating the desperate conditions that has created such an influx of border crossings. As I stated earlier, right wing media loves to scream and yell that Biden and the Democrats wanted open borders, which is just attention grabbing nonsense. Naturally people hear that, and thought now is a good time to cross the border. That's not Biden's fault - he hardly changed any border policy from when Trump had the position and to this day remains mostly the same. The influx, by and large, came from the media scare mongering regular American voters in to thinking that the Democrats and Biden wanted, or have enacted, some completely open border policy, which other people who are in highly desperate situations obviously pick up on.

I think a big part of that exceptionalism that helped create our conditions is an unusual openness to a market-based economy. Protectionism just makes instinctive sense to people and markets really don't. But markets work. Biden and other Democrats don't appreciate that as much as they should, and Republicans increasingly reject it also. I think there are good reasons for having our border policy--we want to know who is here, get them in the system, plan, keep out criminals, etc. But we should be aware that it does come with an economic cost. More immigration would mean higher real wages, as would making it easier for people who are already here to work.

Not to be repetitive, but I think the fundamental problem with political discussions is an inability of people (and this applies to a majority of individuals in every single faction) to admit any downsides of their favored policies. So you get exchanges of "this policy has downside X" which may or may not be true, followed by "no it doesn't, and the alternative has downside Y," which also may or may not be true.