Social National Parks facing massive crisis

[Loiosh]

Swimming is such a bad example to make, America has an infamous history of racism when it comes to keeping black people out of public pools.

There were towns in the south where once it became illegal to keep black people out they chose to simply get rid of the pools, this was during my lifetime.

Currently the rate at which black people drown is triple that of white people because it's going to take several generations to get black families into the habit of learning to swim, that's just how it works.

I'll never understand those of you who deny the realities of these issues and stand in the way of helping fix them.

 

[BearGrounds]

Swimming is such a bad example to make, America has an infamous history of racism when it comes to keeping black people out of public pools.

There were towns in the south where once it became illegal to keep black people out they chose to simply get rid of the pools, this was during my lifetime.

Currently the rate at which black people drown is triple that of white people because it's going to take several generations to get black families into the habit of learning to swim, that's just how it works.

I'll never understand those of you who deny the realities of these issues and stand in the way of helping fix them.

Who denies the reality that black people faced oppressive conditions and racism in the US? Ive literally never met or talked to a single person who asserted that in my entire life, including on here.

When I was a kid, I used to go to a community pool in nyc that was absolutely dominated by black people. Red Hook pool, Brooklyn. Rough neighborhood, low income. There was still access.

Currently in the US, nobody is standing in the way of black people making a good life for themselves, other than those that want to tell them that somebody is, and themselves if they listen to it.

 

[BearGrounds]

the naked left hates white anglos. i wonder whos behind the curtain.

<[analyzed}>

 

[Seano]

Currently the rate at which black people drown is triple that of white people because it's going to take several generations to get black families into the habit of learning to swim, that's just how it works.

lol, come on. You're turning into a cartoon.

 

[Loiosh]

Who denies the reality that black people faced oppressive conditions and racism in the US? Ive literally never met or talked to a single person who asserted that in my entire life, including on here.

When I was a kid, I used to go to a community pool in nyc that was absolutely dominated by black people. Red Hook pool, Brooklyn. Rough neighborhood, low income. There was still access.

Currently in the US, nobody is standing in the way of black people making a good life for themselves, other than those that want to tell them that somebody is, and themselves if they listen to it.

I was replying to you posting a comedian saying swimming is a silly recreational activity and it's stupid making a film about it with regards to black people. I explained why it isn't silly and how centuries of racism have kept swimming from being as natural for black people as it is for white people.

That doesn't mean black people don't swim or that black people who do swim means that isn't true. It means that for a hell of a lot of black families it's going to take generations for them to take to the water.

And I really, really hate the "currently in the US' arguments. History matters. Inertia matters. Trends matter. For nearly half my life racist policies were legal, and even now some still are, they're just sneakier.

 

[Loiosh]

lol, come on. You're turning into a cartoon.

Sorry, just checked. It isn't triple, it's one and a half times for non-Hispanic black people. Interesting you think that's funny.

The suggested remedy is community based interventions... Because racist policies kept black people out of pools and someone whose father doesn't know how to swim is less likely to learn, which is why it takes generations.

 

[Jar of Flies]

I was replying to you posting a comedian saying swimming is a silly recreational activity and it's stupid making a film about it with regards to black people. I explained why it isn't silly and how centuries of racism have kept swimming from being as natural for black people as it is for white people.

That doesn't mean black people don't swim or that black people who do swim means that isn't true. It means that for a hell of a lot of black families it's going to take generations for them to take to the water.

And I really, really hate the "currently in the US' arguments. History matters. Inertia matters. Trends matter. For nearly half my life racist policies were legal, and even now some still are, they're just sneakier.

Nah man he’s from Brooklyn so what he says goes.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

i see that most of the people posting in this thread have still not read the ts.


this is a crisis for national parks specifically becauae of the shirting demographics in this country. most non white people dont use national parks but non white people are moving towards the majority in the country. if the majority of people dont use the parks then funding for the parks will get cut.

 

[DW=HERO]

Sorry, just checked. It isn't triple, it's one and a half times for non-Hispanic black people. Interesting you think that's funny.

The suggested remedy is community based interventions... Because racist policies kept black people out of pools and someone whose father doesn't know how to swim is less likely to learn, which is why it takes generations.

We should get rid of white people

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Swimming is such a bad example to make, America has an infamous history of racism when it comes to keeping black people out of public pools.

There were towns in the south where once it became illegal to keep black people out they chose to simply get rid of the pools, this was during my lifetime.

Currently the rate at which black people drown is triple that of white people because it's going to take several generations to get black families into the habit of learning to swim, that's just how it works.

I'll never understand those of you who deny the realities of these issues and stand in the way of helping fix them.

I was replying to you posting a comedian saying swimming is a silly recreational activity and it's stupid making a film about it with regards to black people. I explained why it isn't silly and how centuries of racism have kept swimming from being as natural for black people as it is for white people.

That doesn't mean black people don't swim or that black people who do swim means that isn't true. It means that for a hell of a lot of black families it's going to take generations for them to take to the water.

And I really, really hate the "currently in the US' arguments. History matters. Inertia matters. Trends matter. For nearly half my life racist policies were legal, and even now some still are, they're just sneakier.

Sorry, just checked. It isn't triple, it's one and a half times for non-Hispanic black people. Interesting you think that's funny.

The suggested remedy is community based interventions... Because racist policies kept black people out of pools and someone whose father doesn't know how to swim is less likely to learn, which is why it takes generations.

do 10 Hail Wakandas every morning and at least 20 "black people suffered!!" posts each day to wash your white guilt.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Just because whites will be a major minority doesn't necessarily mean there will be less of them. Population as a whole is increasing which means even if minorities makes a smaller piece of the pie, the pie 10, 20, 30 years from now will be bigger as whole. Furthermore there's nothing currently preventing minorities from traveling to said parks now. You dont see disney, LA or Vegas pearl clutching over demographic changes. It's just a lack of interest (aside from Asians who se to love that dull touristy shit)

This is the parks department and a weird race base nature organization (s) trying to get money by tapping into the equality fad.

 

[Deorum]

The crisis is actually relatively severe post-COVID overcrowding (regardless of race) combined with understaffing and the park service being forced to operate on a shoestring budget. Congress has also gone on to establish far too many of them IMO and it's kind of worked to take the shine off the title of being one; like some of them are a staight up joke comparatively speaking. A certified National Park should have geological features, natural attractions and visual scenery (or a collection thereof) that can be found virtually nowhere else in the country, if not the western hemisphere of the world or even the entire planet.

advocates concerned their grift is still under potential, therefore they must constantly invent new grifting avenues.

All this political nonsense aside: However unlikely it is that you return to the United States, the national parks are where you should go (fuck the cities). It's sort of weird but America actually 'invented' the idea of and was the first country in the world to establish national parks. I find this something to be proud of and one of those things that "Make America Great", @panem-et-circenses. It started with the all-time OG Yellowstone in 1872.

Now, that's a fucking legit National Park. Likewise, Grand Canyon NP, Legit. Death Valley NP, Legit (yup, 100%). Sequoia NP, Legit. Redwood NP, Legit. These are truly unique places that are worth seeing and experiencing, IMO. I've never been to Yosemite myself, opted for Sequioa instead (which has five of the top ten largest trees by volume to be found on earth, including #1); Redwood up in Northern Cali has the tallest.

 

[Deorum]

Just because whites will be a major minority doesn't necessarily mean there will be less of them. Population as a whole is increasing which means even if minorities makes a smaller piece of the pie, the pie 10, 20, 30 years from now will be bigger as whole.

I'm pretty sure the US white population has actually been in outright decline since 2016. I'm unsure of the data for 2021 & 2022 but I highly doubt that the trend saw any sort of reversal the last couple years. It likely grew even larger.

2018: (-97,507)
2019: (-212,957)
2020: (-225,380)

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I'm pretty sure the US white population has actually been in outright decline since 2016. I'm unsure of the data for 2021 & 2022 but I highly doubt that the trend saw any sort of reversal the last couple years. It likely grew even larger.

2018: (-97,507)
2019: (-212,957)
2020: (-225,380)

Yes. Not sure how that contradicts what I said. White are a going to be a major minority and the overall population will increase

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm pretty sure the US white population has actually been in outright decline since 2016. I'm unsure of the data for 2021 & 2022 but I highly doubt that the trend saw any sort of reversal the last couple years. It likely grew even larger.

2018: (-97,507)
2019: (-212,957)
2020: (-225,380)

Depends on what you mean by "whites"

Used to be that certain groups like Jews didn't count, now they do. We're seeing something similar with Hispanics, many of them are increasingly identifying as white. And why not? Some of them are 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation and don't speak Spanish and are indistinguishable from white folks. My guess is the white population will see a bump over time from white Hispanics identifying as white not just on forms but also through real assimilation into white American culture.

 

[submerged88]

We should get rid of white people

No we should not.
There are good white people here and there have always been bad and good white people. For example a lot of good white people put a stop to slavery but had to fight the bad white people to do it.
If you want to know who the evil bad white people are, they now call themselves right wing/republicans but they are from the same strand of parasitical, civilian murdering, evil roaches who have had to be neutralized throughout history. This is what I teach to my youth groups

 

[Hdfi]

I'm pretty sure the US white population has actually been in outright decline since 2016. I'm unsure of the data for 2021 & 2022 but I highly doubt that the trend saw any sort of reversal the last couple years. It likely grew even larger.

2018: (-97,507)
2019: (-212,957)
2020: (-225,380)

Liberals are celebrating this but when whites become a minority they'll live in mud huts.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

The crisis is actually relatively severe post-COVID overcrowding (regardless of race) combined with understaffing and the park service being forced to operate on a shoestring budget. Congress has also gone on to establish far too many of them IMO and it's kind of worked to take the shine off the title of being one; like some of them are a staight up joke comparatively speaking. A certified National Park should have geological features, natural attractions and visual scenery (or a collection thereof) that can be found virtually nowhere else in the country, if not the western hemisphere of the world or even the entire planet.



All this political nonsense aside: However unlikely it is that you return to the United States, the national parks are where you should go (fuck the cities). It's sort of weird but America actually 'invented' the idea of and was the first country in the world to establish national parks. I find this something to be proud of and one of those things that "Make America Great", @panem-et-circenses. It started with the all-time OG Yellowstone in 1872.

Now, that's a fucking legit National Park. Likewise, Grand Canyon NP, Legit. Death Valley NP, Legit (yup, 100%). Sequoia NP, Legit. Redwood NP, Legit. These are truly unique places that are worth seeing and experiencing, IMO. I've never been to Yosemite myself, opted for Sequioa instead (which has five of the top ten largest trees by volume to be found on earth, including #1); Redwood up in Northern Cali has the tallest.

very good points

 

[*Z*]

This is just ridiculous. Just people getting upset about nothing as usual. It's the wilderness, how do you make it more inclusive? If you want to go there, you can go there.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

All this political nonsense aside: However unlikely it is that you return to the United States, the national parks are where you should go (fuck the cities). It's sort of weird but America actually 'invented' the idea of and was the first country in the world to establish national parks. I find this something to be proud of and one of those things that "Make America Great", @panem-et-circenses. It started with the all-time OG Yellowstone in 1872.

Now, that's a fucking legit National Park. Likewise, Grand Canyon NP, Legit. Death Valley NP, Legit (yup, 100%). Sequoia NP, Legit. Redwood NP, Legit. These are truly unique places that are worth seeing and experiencing, IMO. I've never been to Yosemite myself, opted for Sequioa instead (which has five of the top ten largest trees by volume to be found on earth, including #1); Redwood up in Northern Cali has the tallest.

i love the redwoods, man. when you walk among them, with the ocean nearby, it has this primordial feel to it. the same feeling, reconstituted over time now, yesterday, a thousand years before, 10 thousand years before, as long as humans walked beneath them, the same feeling was there.