Social Canadian Nurses instructed to reject "White European Medicine" via new Code of Ethics

[HockeyBjj]

And what about everything else ? There is so much bullshit that I listed that has nothing to do with medicine in anyway, like acknowledgement that minorities are the greatest victims of climate change

So you admit your thread title is made up and a lie? Could you change it then?

 

[Lycandroid]

So you admit your thread title is made up and a lie? Could you change it then?

It is not a lie, european medicine is based on scientific evidence, logic and reasoning. Which these policies directly contradict.

I would be willing to change it to reject "logic and reasoning in favor of enforced identity politics via new code of ethics"

 

[HockeyBjj]

It is not a lie, european medicine is based on scientific evidence, logic and reasoning. Which these policies directly contradict.

I would be willing to change it to reject "logic and reasoning in favor of enforced identity politics via new code of ethics"

Nothing is being rejected about proper medicine. They're being told to be sure they understand the patients and that they might have odd to them requests or wishes.

 

[Lycandroid]

Nothing is being rejected about proper medicine. They're being told to be sure they understand the patients and that they might have odd to them requests or wishes.

Not true, but you seem convinced otherwise. Do you think the medical system should adhere to a leftwing ideology ? Do you think opposition to this should result in job/career loss ? That is the real danger of this stuff. "European medicine" is not supposed to be politically biased. Whatever this is, will be.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Here I have highlighted particular tenets I have issue with, I challenge everyone quoted here who thinks I am over reacting to explain why each and all of these are good, or relevant to medical practice and will not have a negative impact.

Then tell me exactly how my description is inaccurate.

1.3.6 respecting the decisions of all people, including choice of lifestyle or treatment that may not be perceived as conducive to health or well-being while continuing to provide care in a non-judgmental manner

4.1.1 developing awareness of the Calls to Action contained in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada report to address racism and health inequity;
4.1.2 understanding the history of and the ongoing impacts of colonial policies and nursing practices on First Nations, Inuit and Métis Peoples’ health and well-being;
4.1.3 acknowledging the power imbalances that exist due to historical contexts leading to the mistrust of colonial systems such as the health-care system, recognizing that culturally safe care can only be defined by the client;
4.2.3 developing cultural competence through engaging in education and professional development activities created, led and delivered by First Nations, Inuit and Métis Peoples that is related to the Indigenous world views and ways of knowing, and the social determinants of Indigenous health in Canada.
4.2.4 university and college curriculums that enhance knowledge and respect for Indigenous world views and diverse cultural practices and enact the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada’s Calls to Action related to health;
4.2.5 systemic changes to health institutions on the importance of integrating Indigenous knowledge into clinical practice;
4.2.7 research into nursing practices from an Indigenous perspective with Indigenous researchers
4.2.9 systemic change to nursing policies and practices to better engage with First Nations, Inuit and Métis Peoples and to mitigate the impacts of intergenerational trauma and colonial practices that still exist today in health-care systems.
5.1.2 recognizing that equity-deserving groups and communities in society are systemically disadvantaged, which may lead to diminished health and well-being and working with them to explore the range of health-care choices available to improve their quality of life;
5.1.3 advocating for more comprehensive and equitable mental health and addiction services and supports across age groups, equity-deserving groups, socio-cultural backgrounds, and geographic regions;
5.1.4 providing education and working with all people to have meaningful participation in decision-making, while considering their varying abilities/disabilities and their racial, ethnic, linguistic, spiritual and cultural needs;
5.1.8 allocating resources under their control based on the needs of clients and advocating for fair treatment and fair distribution of resources; and
5.1.9 advocating for and implementing strategies that achieve diverse, equitable and inclusive (DEI) workplaces.
5.2.1 reflecting on and acknowledging their personal and professional power and privilege;
5.2.2 demonstrating cultural humility and allyship through ongoing reflection of their own values, assumptions, biases and beliefs while learning from and honouring the values, assumptions, and beliefs of others as well as expertise that people have about their own culture;
5.2.3 developing their knowledge of racism (including anti-Black, anti-Indigenous and anti-Asian racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, xenophobia, linguistic racism, etc.,), systemic racism, conscious/unconscious biases, gender-based biases, biases against 2SLGBTQIA+ individuals and communities, and discrimination and the resulting impacts on the health and well-being of people, including those with intersecting identities;
5.2.4 developing their knowledge of trauma and resilience and using trauma-informed approaches and authentic allyship practices when working with diverse clients;
5.3.1 recognizing the rights of nature and the planet and safeguarding the environment for the good of and survival of nature and human beings;
5.3.2 becoming informed about the disproportionate impact that climate change and other environmental changes (e.g., pollution, biodiversity loss, ecosystem disruptions) have on distinct populations (e.g., children, older adults, women, Indigenous communities, racialized and other equity-deserving populations, and on people with varying abilities/disabilities);
5.3.4 learning about Indigenous governance, knowledge, practices and ways of knowing in the protection of the land, air, water and ice, plants and animals; and
5.3.5 adopting a planetary health lens (informed by Indigenous knowledge of the interconnectedness of people with the natural world) into practice.
5.4.2 becoming informed about the health inequities and disproportionate impact that disasters and public health emergencies have on vulnerable populations (e.g., children, older adults, women, Indigenous communities, Black, racialized and other equity-deserving populations) and on people with varying abilities/disabilities;

It means if someone comes in believing that type of medicine works then don't mock them for it and respect their right to reject other treatment.

It doesn't mean they're going to start hiring witch doctors.

 

[Croo67]

Beautiful seeing the woke retards tie themselves in knots with this one.

Their beloved and almighty science being sidelined for diversity. Which side do they pick?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Beautiful seeing the woke retards tie themselves in knots with this one.

Their beloved and almighty science being sidelined for diversity. Which side do they pick?

If someone is stupid enough to refuse treatment and opt for a treatment that doesn't work and wants to Steve Jobs themselves then that's up to them.

 

[HomeCheese]

And what about everything else ? There is so much bullshit that I listed that has nothing to do with medicine in anyway, like acknowledgement that minorities are the greatest victims of climate change

If you were a nurse you would have just lost your job for this statement because of these new code of ethics, is that cool with you ?

Do you think somebody should lose their job or career for not buying into this bullshit ? This is all about adherence to left wing ideology and punishing/weeding out those who do not comply.

Using woke ideology to define the social determinants of health in the first place

These policies will be used to give preferential treatment to these groups, just like DEI hiring practices, your quality of care will be impacted by your skin color and ethnic background. It's already happening in emergency rooms across Canada where certain groups get bumped ahead regardless of what their issue is. Immigrants secure family doctors within months of arriving while Canadian Citizens get put on waiting lists. I am currently on year 3.

WTF are you talking about? You have not the foggiest idea what it is but you still want to complain.

What is your medical or public health background? None is my guess.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Ok. Read through this again. It's literally just a reminder not to violate a patient's right to refuse treatment and not be a dick about it. Pretty standard stuff and it doesn't change anything. It boils down to "be respectful and don't get us sued over some racist shit". You still use standard practice. Still recommend it. But if they exercise their right to refuse treatment, don't be a cunt.

I don't understand how OP came to this conclusion. In the most respectful way possible, it seems like he misread something and is not looking to be corrected.

 

[Lycandroid]

WTF are you talking about? You have not the foggiest idea what it is but you still want to complain.

What is your medical or public health background? None is my guess.

Explain how I don't, explain how forced left wing ideology will not have an effect. If your worldview is shaped by wokebullshit then the social factors that effect your health will be defined from that lens. Factors that aren't actually affecting any ones health will be considered, like as this code outlines such climate alarmism, gender ideology. Things that were never before defined as such.

No medical background other than first aid training, level 4.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

5.3.2 and 5.3.4

5.3.2: becoming informed about the disproportionate impact that climate change and other environmental changes (e.g., pollution, biodiversity loss, ecosystem disruptions) have on distinct populations (e.g., children, older adults, women, Indigenous communities, racialized and other equity-deserving populations, and on people with varying abilities/disabilities)

pollution and climate change affect ecosystems and food sources for everyone, especially those who live off the land. that's not even counting deliberate pollution by private corporations which have historically occurred in indigenous peoples' environments. the texaco tapes interviewing indigenous ecuadorians after being subject to oil runoff would be worth watching as an example.

5.3.4 learning about Indigenous governance, knowledge, practices and ways of knowing in the protection of the land, air, water and ice, plants and animals

so they're committing to learn how to best treat their indigenous clients with the clients' knowledge and input, as well as informed consent.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

He listed over a dozen. Take anyone of them and use your big brain power to decipher the importance of them in the context of medically treating anyone.

Make it more meaningful than "respect their wishes" which is almost certainly already universally applied.

nothing is ever presumed to be universally applied. that's why tens of thousands of lawsuits are filed everyday.

 

[HomeCheese]

Explain how I don't, explain how forced left wing ideology will not have an effect. If your worldview is shaped by wokebullshit then the social factors that effect your health will be defined from that lens. Factors that aren't actually affecting any ones health will be considered, like as this code outlines such climate alarmism, gender ideology. Things that were never before defined as such.

No medical background other than first aid training, level 4.

So you favor a one size fits all approach? That medicine should focus just on the science and there should be a cookie cutter approach?

 

[tastaylvr]

Funny the people who demonised the doctors/nurses for years calling them evil all of a sudden trust them 100 percent

It’s so convenient to call them devil when it’s for Covid then angels when it comes to showing compassion for non whites

 

[tastaylvr]

So you favor a one size fits all approach? That medicine should focus just on the science and there should be a cookie cutter approach?

You should read his posts about Covid lol

He ain’t that

 

[BEAST]

Ok. Read through this again. It's literally just a reminder not to violate a patient's right to refuse treatment and not be a dick about it. Pretty standard stuff and it doesn't change anything. It boils down to "be respectful and don't get us sued over some racist shit". You still use standard practice. Still recommend it. But if they exercise their right to refuse treatment, don't be a cunt.

I don't understand how OP came to this conclusion. In the most respectful way possible, it seems like he misread something and is not looking to be corrected.

Dude lives in constant fear and WHITE EUROPEAN MEDICINE is coming to an end because they have to be respectful to native people.

 

[Lycandroid]

5.3.2: becoming informed about the disproportionate impact that climate change and other environmental changes (e.g., pollution, biodiversity loss, ecosystem disruptions) have on distinct populations (e.g., children, older adults, women, Indigenous communities, racialized and other equity-deserving populations, and on people with varying abilities/disabilities)

pollution and climate change affect ecosystems and food sources for everyone, especially those who live off the land. that's not even counting deliberate pollution by private corporations which have historically occurred in indigenous peoples' environments. the texaco tapes interviewing indigenous ecuadorians after being subject to oil runoff would be worth watching as an example.

In no way does climate change affect our food source in to the point of having any effect on our health, go ahead and try to prove that. We don't have food shortages in Canada, which is the only way climate change could affect food in such a way to affect your health. If anything global warming helps indigenous up in the north by taking the sting out of the harsh winter.

Pollution affecting them above everyone else is also bullshit, maybe in the US but in Canada natives have a lot of say over what projects on their land. There have been controversies in the past, but none of them wouldn't have happened without approval from Chiefs in the first place.

5.3.4 learning about Indigenous governance, knowledge, practices and ways of knowing in the protection of the land, air, water and ice, plants and animals


so they're committing to learn how to best treat their indigenous clients with the clients' knowledge and input, as well as informed consent.

Your response is irrelevant to what was actually said, but if indigenous medicine worked so well they wouldn't be in need of medical care would they ? But this is in regard to indigenous knowledge of protecting the land. This has nothing to do with practicing medicine nor should it.

Care to try again ?

So you favor a one size fits all approach? That medicine should focus just on the science and there should be a cookie cutter approach?

No I favor a facts based approach, not a POLITICALLY BIASED approach. None of you cowards will answer me as to why a clear left wing bias should be mandated for nurses to uphold.

You should read his posts about Covid lol

He ain’t that

My covid posts are based in fact, if you bought into the narrative that censored any facts that went against the vaccine, that is literally a one size fits all approach.

Dude lives in constant fear and WHITE EUROPEAN MEDICINE is coming to an end because they have to be respectful to native people.

How about you refute something I said, or explain why an enforced left wing ideology within the medical system is a good thing ? How about you stop being a little bitch and making up fake positions for me and debate what I actually said.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

In no way does climate change affect our food source in to the point of having any effect on our health, go ahead and try to prove that.

it doesn't have any effect on YOUR health.

We don't have food shortages in Canada, which is the only way climate change could affect food in such a way to affect your health. If anything global warming helps indigenous up in the north by taking the sting out of the harsh winter.

lol easy to say from your cozy suburb with a supermarket on the corner

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the caribou population alone has been reduced by 20+%

Traditional Food Systems and Climate Change: Adapting Indigenous Agriculture - Indigenous Climate Hub

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Pollution affecting them above everyone else is also bullshit, maybe in the US but in Canada natives have a lot of say over what projects on their land. There have been controversies in the past, but none of them wouldn't have happened without approval from Chiefs in the first place.

‘They’re destroying us’: Indigenous communities fear toxic leaks from Canada oil industry

Recent leaks from oil sands tailings ponds have contaminated water, sowing mistrust among local First Nations people

www.theguardian.com

have you been getting millions of gallons of industrial waste run through your community?

also lol @ pretending they just let it happen. they've been in legal discussions over this one incident for two years now

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/first-nation-launches-legal-action-over-alberta-oilsands-cleanup-fund-1.7501246

 

[BEAST]

How about you refute something I said, or explain why an enforced left wing ideology within the medical system is a good thing ? How about you stop being a little bitch and making up fake positions for me and debate what I actually said.

I already wrote my response here

"Learning" and "Informing"

Much like everything else in these changes.

"Acknowledge", "Recognize", "Respect", "Understand" etc etc

My work also does this with "land acknowledgement" and shit like that. Guess what? Doesn't change a single thing in my day to day work.
This is just being nice and apologizing for all the natives that Canada forcefully sterilized. Which was pretty fucked up.

Again, this is more much ado about nothing. Basically saying "don't be racist".

Nothing in that entire thing states "Put Somalians and Natives ahead of white people".

You're making up boogeymen in your mind, like all insane far-right 'Bertan tards.
Get off FB and rumble.com for a day and touch grass.

 

[HomeCheese]

In no way does climate change affect our food source in to the point of having any effect on our health, go ahead and try to prove that. We don't have food shortages in Canada, which is the only way climate change could affect food in such a way to affect your health. If anything global warming helps indigenous up in the north by taking the sting out of the harsh winter.

Pollution affecting them above everyone else is also bullshit, maybe in the US but in Canada natives have a lot of say over what projects on their land. There have been controversies in the past, but none of them wouldn't have happened without approval from Chiefs in the first place.


Your response is irrelevant to what was actually said, but if indigenous medicine worked so well they wouldn't be in need of medical care would they ? But this is in regard to indigenous knowledge of protecting the land. This has nothing to do with practicing medicine nor should it.

Care to try again ?

No I favor a facts based approach, not a POLITICALLY BIASED approach. None of you cowards will answer me as to why a clear left wing bias should be mandated for nurses to uphold.

My covid posts are based in fact, if you bought into the narrative that censored any facts that went against the vaccine, that is literally a one size fits all approach.

How about you refute something I said, or explain why an enforced left wing ideology within the medical system is a good thing ? How about you stop being a little bitch and making up fake positions for me and debate what I actually said.

What I have asked you but you never answer, what is woke or left wing about the social determinants of health?

Shouldn't ones environment be considered when making a diagnosis? Like, someone with chronic congestion and migraines might actually be suffering from mold due to substandard housing. The prescription to solve their issue would involve some sort of community body that polices slum lords.

You see, it's not complicated and it's actually cheeper on the healthcare system when these factors are considered. For example, they don't need an MRI wIth a diagnosis like this.