Jones ducked Ngannou for years!

[Captain Herb]

No, I am saying the UFC was in contract talks with both guys for 2022, offered both guys the fight that they've been trying to make for over a year, there was a contract for both guys and event date was set. All that had to happen, was both guys to sign, Jon signed the deal. That's exactly how it was going. Jon was already booked on the card and was waiting on Ngannou to sign. His name was on the card like a month prior.

And should let up on your theory on Jon not signing to fight Francis, it's sounding like a conspiracy theory now, it's actually a bit crazy. You want me to believe that Jon would spend all that time sizing up for HW, negotiating a new contract and the actual fight. Then he signs the new deal, is offered the title shot in what would be one of the biggest fights ever. And he would not take it?? He was booked on the event already and Francis was still negotiating.

No. Jon NEVER signed a contract to fight Ngannou. You may think it would make sense that he would, but that doesn't mean he did. If he had actually put ink to paper on a contract to fight Frank we would have heard about it over and over by Dana and Jon himself. We'd be so sick of hearing about it we wouldn't even respond to these threads, it would have been nauseating with Jon crowing all over social media that HE SIGNED THE FIGHT and Dana buffing his balls the whole time and shitting all over Francis. But that never happened. Jon never once indicated publicly that he even wanted to fight Frank outside of the Deontay Wilder Money debacle and he certainly never claimed to have actually signed a fight agreement. And Dana has never claimed that either, so I think we know the truth, no fight agreement was ever signed by either party and they were trying to sell Frank pie in the sky to get him to sign the rest of his career away and he didn't fall for it. Good for him.

 

[JKS]

No. Jon NEVER signed a contract to fight Ngannou. You may think it would make sense that he would, but that doesn't mean he did. If he had actually put ink to paper on a contract to fight Frank we would have heard about it over and over by Dana and Jon himself. We'd be so sick of hearing about it we wouldn't even respond to these threads, it would have been nauseating with Jon crowing all over social media that HE SIGNED THE FIGHT and Dana buffing his balls the whole time and shitting all over Francis. But that never happened. Jon never once indicated publicly that he even wanted to fight Frank outside of the Deontay Wilder Money debacle and he certainly never claimed to have actually signed a fight agreement. And Dana has never claimed that either, so I think we know the truth, no fight agreement was ever signed by either party and they were trying to sell Frank pie in the sky to get him to sign the rest of his career away and he didn't fall for it. Good for him.

So what you're insinuating is that the UFC was hanging the Jones fight out there to get Francis to sign the contract so they keep him. But neither the UFC or Jon actually had any intentions of putting the fight together?? Just clarify if that's what you think happened.

BTW....here you are. Since you don't think there was an offer in his contract to fight Jones. This is from ESPN and an interview with Francis. And at this point, Jon Jones already had signed his 8 fight deal with the UFC and was ready to sign the Francis fight.

Inside the negotiations that brought the No. 1 heavyweight in the world, Francis Ngannou, to the PFL

The former UFC heavyweight champion was the biggest MMA free agent in a long time. Brett Okamoto shares the details and conversations that led him to the PFL.

www.espn.com

"In order to know what you walked away from, you have to know how much it is -- and nothing is guaranteed in those contracts," Ngannou said. "It's really hard for me to say I lost money that I never had. The only thing the UFC contract guaranteed was Jon Jones, which was a fight I wanted for so long and nobody cared. It was only when I was about to get free of my contract [that] they said, 'Here's the Jon Jones fight."

 

[Captain Herb]

So what you're insinuating is that the UFC was hanging the Jones fight out there to get Francis to sign the contract so they keep him. But neither the UFC or Jon actually had any intentions of putting the fight together?? Just clarify if that's what you think happened.

BTW....here you are. Since you don't think there was an offer in his contract to fight Jones. This is from ESPN and an interview with Francis. And at this point, Jon Jones already had signed his 8 fight deal with the UFC and was ready to sign the Francis fight.

Inside the negotiations that brought the No. 1 heavyweight in the world, Francis Ngannou, to the PFL

The former UFC heavyweight champion was the biggest MMA free agent in a long time. Brett Okamoto shares the details and conversations that led him to the PFL.

www.espn.com

"In order to know what you walked away from, you have to know how much it is -- and nothing is guaranteed in those contracts," Ngannou said. "It's really hard for me to say I lost money that I never had. The only thing the UFC contract guaranteed was Jon Jones, which was a fight I wanted for so long and nobody cared. It was only when I was about to get free of my contract [that] they said, 'Here's the Jon Jones fight."

Yes, this is exactly the point. Did UFC approach Ngannou with a fight agreement already signed by Jones and say, 'if you re-up with us, you get this fight that Jones signed',
or did they say, 'if you re-up with us we will work on the Jones fight, and if we put it together you get 8mil guaranteed'?

I'm saying the second scenario is much more likely because if Jones had actually signed a fight contract for Ngannou and then Ngannou left the UFC, we would never hear the end of it from both Jones and White, because they would both want to discredit Ngannou and not let him say that Jones had ducked.

 

[JKS]

Yes, this is exactly the point. Did UFC approach Ngannou with a fight agreement already signed by Jones and say, 'if you re-up with us, you get this fight that Jones signed',
or did they say, 'if you re-up with us we will work on the Jones fight, and if we put it together you get 8mil guaranteed'?

I'm saying the second scenario is much more likely because if Jones had actually signed a fight contract for Ngannou and then Ngannou left the UFC, we would never hear the end of it from both Jones and White, because they would both want to discredit Ngannou and not let him say that Jones had ducked.

Okay, here is the situation. Francis and the UFC weren't coming to an agreement and both sides were pretty much at the end of it in December. Francis had some meetings and didn't go his way so he left for Cameroon to spend Christmas with his family. At that point Jones was finalizing his new deal with the UFC. Then after in early Jan they got on the phone and tried one more time with Francis, at that point they had the offer they made that guaranteed the Jones fight, it was in his contract. And the reason why they were able to make that guarantee is because Jones signed his new deal recently.

Jones was already agreed to headline UFC 285 and they were waiting on Francis to sign and if he didn't Gane was the back up. Jones had the proposal, but couldn't sign unelss Francis was extending with the UFC. I mean how can Jon sign a fight contract when the other guy isn't signed to the promotion? But the offer was there for Jon. So if Francis signed his propsed deal, it was good to go.

So to say Jon wasn't gonna sign doesn't make much sense. He was set to headline UFC 285, worked his size up to HW. Why would he sign a 8 fight deal, be ready to fight at HW, but not fight Francis?

Here is what Jon said a month after Francis left. He talks about how Francis had the opporunity to face him and declined it.

Jon Jones says Francis Ngannou opted out of opportunity to fight him: 'He didn't believe in himself'

Jon Jones says Francis Ngannou is to blame for their fight not materializing in the UFC before Ngannou left as a free agent.

mmajunkie.usatoday.com

“I don’t think I deserve any criticism,” Jones told RMC Sport. “I’m here. Francis had the opportunity to face me and he opted out of the opportunity. If anyone should be criticized, it’s Francis Ngannou. If I’m correct, he was offered the biggest contract in heavyweight history. He had the opportunity to be a guy to dethrone me. He didn’t believe in himself. Francis didn’t believe in himself. He wasn’t willing to gamble on himself.”

​

 

[Poatan Power]

Francis was champion for years?
He won it in March 2021 and defended January 2022 and never fought again. He was champ for effectively 9-10 months.

 

[10000yearsold]

Okay, here is the situation. Francis and the UFC weren't coming to an agreement and both sides were pretty much at the end of it in December. Francis had some meetings and didn't go his way so he left for Cameroon to spend Christmas with his family. At that point Jones was finalizing his new deal with the UFC. Then after in early Jan they got on the phone and tried one more time with Francis, at that point they had the offer they made that guaranteed the Jones fight, it was in his contract. And the reason why they were able to make that guarantee is because Jones signed his new deal recently.

Jones was already agreed to headline UFC 285 and they were waiting on Francis to sign and if he didn't Gane was the back up. Jones had the proposal, but couldn't sign unelss Francis was extending with the UFC. I mean how can Jon sign a fight contract when the other guy isn't signed to the promotion? But the offer was there for Jon. So if Francis signed his propsed deal, it was good to go.

So to say Jon wasn't gonna sign doesn't make much sense. He was set to headline UFC 285, worked his size up to HW. Why would he sign a 8 fight deal, be ready to fight at HW, but not fight Francis?

Here is what Jon said a month after Francis left. He talks about how Francis had the opporunity to face him and declined it.

Jon Jones says Francis Ngannou opted out of opportunity to fight him: 'He didn't believe in himself'

Jon Jones says Francis Ngannou is to blame for their fight not materializing in the UFC before Ngannou left as a free agent.

mmajunkie.usatoday.com

“I don’t think I deserve any criticism,” Jones told RMC Sport. “I’m here. Francis had the opportunity to face me and he opted out of the opportunity. If anyone should be criticized, it’s Francis Ngannou. If I’m correct, he was offered the biggest contract in heavyweight history. He had the opportunity to be a guy to dethrone me. He didn’t believe in himself. Francis didn’t believe in himself. He wasn’t willing to gamble on himself.”

​

He had a verbal agreement from Tyson Fury to make heavyweight boxing championship super premium money.. why the fuck would he sign a contract that explicitly disallows him from accepting that opportunity while offering him less?!?!?

Jones sat out for years and made zero dollars doing it.

What more can you possibly say? Jones had years to take the fight. Ngannou was presented it OR Tyson Fury…. Opting to box Tyson Fury for more money than the UFC was willing to pay him is a no-brainer. He absolutely had to make that call. Jones not doing shit for years was entirely his bum choice. And I like jones very much but that was undoubtably a bum duck of a choice. Argument ended.

 

[JKS]

He had a verbal agreement from Tyson Fury to make heavyweight boxing championship super premium money.. why the fuck would he sign a contract that explicitly disallows him from accepting that opportunity while offering him less?!?!?

Jones sat out for years and made zero dollars doing it.

What more can you possibly say? Jones had years to take the fight. Ngannou was presented it OR Tyson Fury…. Opting to box Tyson Fury for more money than the UFC was willing to pay him is a no-brainer. He absolutely had to make that call. Jones not doing shit for years was entirely his bum choice. And I like jones very much but that was undoubtably a bum duck of a choice. Argument ended.

LOL, you're making it sound like I am disagreeing with Francis and his decision to leave the UFC. This entire conversation I have said over and over that I agree with why Francis left and he took the deal that was better for him. I simply was just going over the circumstances of the negotiations with the UFC and the Jones fight.

About Jones having years to take the fight?? That is complete bullS##t and you're talking out of your ass. There was never any offer made to Jones for that fight until 2023. Jon sat out rest of 2020 and he sure as hell wasn't fighting Francis unless it was for the HW title. The earliest this was could have taken place was in the back half of 2021 when Francis won the title. Jon was negotiating his contract and moving up to HW. Francis fought Gane and then sat out all of 2022 with a knee inury and was working out his new deal. So this fight wasn't happening in 2022 and earliest 2023.

So to your claim there was "years" for Jon to take the fight. There was actually a very small window where this fight could have taken place. And that was back half of 2021 to early 2022, it was like a span of a 6-9 months. And of course post 2023, but Francis had other interests he went after.

 

[Prince Nephilim]

The lead-up doesn't matter. When a contract was actually ready, Francis said no while Jon said yes.

Facts.

 

[Captain Herb]

Okay, here is the situation. Francis and the UFC weren't coming to an agreement and both sides were pretty much at the end of it in December. Francis had some meetings and didn't go his way so he left for Cameroon to spend Christmas with his family. At that point Jones was finalizing his new deal with the UFC. Then after in early Jan they got on the phone and tried one more time with Francis, at that point they had the offer they made that guaranteed the Jones fight, it was in his contract. And the reason why they were able to make that guarantee is because Jones signed his new deal recently.

Jones was already agreed to headline UFC 285 and they were waiting on Francis to sign and if he didn't Gane was the back up. Jones had the proposal, but couldn't sign unelss Francis was extending with the UFC. I mean how can Jon sign a fight contract when the other guy isn't signed to the promotion? But the offer was there for Jon. So if Francis signed his propsed deal, it was good to go.

So to say Jon wasn't gonna sign doesn't make much sense. He was set to headline UFC 285, worked his size up to HW. Why would he sign a 8 fight deal, be ready to fight at HW, but not fight Francis?

Here is what Jon said a month after Francis left. He talks about how Francis had the opporunity to face him and declined it.

Jon Jones says Francis Ngannou opted out of opportunity to fight him: 'He didn't believe in himself'

Jon Jones says Francis Ngannou is to blame for their fight not materializing in the UFC before Ngannou left as a free agent.

mmajunkie.usatoday.com

“I don’t think I deserve any criticism,” Jones told RMC Sport. “I’m here. Francis had the opportunity to face me and he opted out of the opportunity. If anyone should be criticized, it’s Francis Ngannou. If I’m correct, he was offered the biggest contract in heavyweight history. He had the opportunity to be a guy to dethrone me. He didn’t believe in himself. Francis didn’t believe in himself. He wasn’t willing to gamble on himself.”

​

That's a very long way to say no, Jones never signed a fight contract for Ngannou. Would Frank have gotten the opportunity to fight Jones? Who knows, depends how much you believe anything Jones or Dana White says. Also, It was clear that Frank was out the door long before his contract officially expired. Jones knew he would never have to face him anyway

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Does anyone actually think Ngannou ducked Jones?
Ngannou was the champion of the HW division for years while Jones sat out "bulking". He had every opportunity over that time frame to fight him, but declined to do so. He did not return until Ngannou left the promotion. These are facts.

Just wanna set the record straight that Jon Jones is a duck. He ducked Ngannou and now he is ducking Aspinall. That is all.

Dana insisting Jon wanted to fight Francis just confirms your post.

 

[JKS]

That's a very long way to say no, Jones never signed a fight contract for Ngannou. Would Frank have gotten the opportunity to fight Jones? Who knows, depends how much you believe anything Jones or Dana White says. Also, It was clear that Frank was out the door long before his contract officially expired. Jones knew he would never have to face him anyway

Jones singed a 8 fight deal with the UFC and had the offer to fight Francis. How can Jon sign a fight contract when the other guy isn't even singed to the promotion?? And still in the process of negotiating? Jon had be slated for the PPV event in March as well to fight for the HW title, an event where he fought Gane. So Jon ended up fighting. It was very simple, Francis signs the contract for 3 fights and the Jones fight happens, it's that easy.

It's not a matter of whether Francis would have got the chance, there is no question. The chance was 100% there in the contract, Francis said it himself and I highlighted a quote from Francis where he clearly says that the Jones fight is guaranteed in his contract. They made that guarantee in January for him when they had a call.

And no Francis was not long out the door before his contract expired. He was still in talks and negotiating with the UFC as late as December 22 and then still in January 23 after his contract expired. This is all coming from Francis in interviews. Nothing with what Jones or Dana said, it's all coming from Francis. Here is an interview with his coach in late Oct 22...

Eric Nicksick wants Francis Ngannou to fight Jon Jones in March, says UFC exec 'agrees 1 million percent'

Unofficial agreements are one thing, but will the UFC be able to make Francis Ngannou vs. Jon Jones for the first quarter of 2023?

mmajunkie.usatoday.com

“A UFC exec called and basically said, ‘Hey, what is your ideal timeline, and what is your ideal matchup?'” Nicksick told MMA Junkie Radio. “Does it matter what my opinion is? No, but it is nice that they called and asked. I said ideally I would want March, and ideally I would want Jon Jones. The person that called agreed 1 million percent that this is what (the UFC) would like, as well. That is what Francis would like. They’re calling to figure out timeline on injury and how long I would need to get him ready.”

“I don’t want Jon Jones to be able to take a fight before us,” Nicksick said. “I want him to have to figure everything out in the cage with Francis, not go fight Stipe and maybe win a decision and then go back to the drawing board and go, ‘OK, here’s the things I need to fix and get better at’ and then come out a better version."

So you have his coach saying in late Oct 22 that they want Jones and in March 23. So you're wrong that Francis was long out the door before his contract expired, clearly not the case. I showed you three examples in Oct 22, Dec 22 and Jan 23 where Francis was still in talks and looking to get a deal done.

 

[Ibm]

Jones would get KO'd into oblivion.

 

[nonoob]

Francis was champion for years?
He won it in March 2021 and defended January 2022 and never fought again. He was champ for effectively 9-10 months.

What about before '21? Francis wasn't even in the ufc while Jon was ducking DC, Stipe, Cain, JDS... I'd go on but listing all of the HW fighters Pico ducked for a full decade gets tiring.

Jon Jones already had signed his 8 fight deal with the UFC and was ready to sign the Francis fight.

Yeah, "ready to sign"... just like Dana's wild-glazed coward boy is ready to prove his "goat" position by jumping to fight that "random" Tom - who has Slayed all of those HWs that Jon continues to duck.

 

[Misanthropist]

I don’t buy it considering Jones cleared 2 generations filled with PED ridden killers. Not to mention, making Ngannou vs Gane look embarassing by treating Gane like a toddler. He could easily imitate Stipe’s tactics to tire him down with his stamina/wrestling/chin advantage.

 

[sanguinius]

Jones would get KO'd into oblivion.

He didn't against gane, who is the superior striker to Ngannou.

Jones doesn't lose.

 

[Poatan Power]

What about before '21? Francis wasn't even in the ufc while Jon was ducking DC, Stipe, Cain, JDS... I'd go on but listing all of the HW fighters Pico ducked for a full decade gets tiring.

Yeah, "ready to sign"... just like Dana's wild-glazed coward boy is ready to prove his "goat" position by jumping to fight that "random" Tom - who has Slayed all of those HWs that Jon continues to duck.

Glad I wasted my time replying to either a troll or an absolute retard.

 

[JKS]

What about before '21? Francis wasn't even in the ufc while Jon was ducking DC, Stipe, Cain, JDS... I'd go on but listing all of the HW fighters Pico ducked for a full decade gets tiring.

Yeah, "ready to sign"... just like Dana's wild-glazed coward boy is ready to prove his "goat" position by jumping to fight that "random" Tom - who has Slayed all of those HWs that Jon continues to duck.

WTF are you talking about?? Perhaps you should take a look the posts in the thread that go over all this.

Jon was set to fight at 285, all that needed to be done was for Francis to sign his new contract offer and it was a done deal. Francis moved on and Jon fought. Don’t let your dislike for Jon blind you from what happened .

And what is happening with Tom is a different scenarios, has nothing to do with that other fight.

Clearly you’re just a Jones hater if you’re crying about Jones ducking all these HWs.

 

[Chayanne]

jones used banned substances against a smaller opponent, DC. what did jones have to take to fight ngannu so yeah jones always avoided ngannu

 

[Captain Herb]

Jones singed a 8 fight deal with the UFC and had the offer to fight Francis. How can Jon sign a fight contract when the other guy isn't even singed to the promotion?? And still in the process of negotiating? Jon had be slated for the PPV event in March as well to fight for the HW title, an event where he fought Gane. So Jon ended up fighting. It was very simple, Francis signs the contract for 3 fights and the Jones fight happens, it's that easy.

It's not a matter of whether Francis would have got the chance, there is no question. The chance was 100% there in the contract, Francis said it himself and I highlighted a quote from Francis where he clearly says that the Jones fight is guaranteed in his contract. They made that guarantee in January for him when they had a call.

And no Francis was not long out the door before his contract expired. He was still in talks and negotiating with the UFC as late as December 22 and then still in January 23 after his contract expired. This is all coming from Francis in interviews. Nothing with what Jones or Dana said, it's all coming from Francis. Here is an interview with his coach in late Oct 22...

Eric Nicksick wants Francis Ngannou to fight Jon Jones in March, says UFC exec 'agrees 1 million percent'

Unofficial agreements are one thing, but will the UFC be able to make Francis Ngannou vs. Jon Jones for the first quarter of 2023?

mmajunkie.usatoday.com

“A UFC exec called and basically said, ‘Hey, what is your ideal timeline, and what is your ideal matchup?'” Nicksick told MMA Junkie Radio. “Does it matter what my opinion is? No, but it is nice that they called and asked. I said ideally I would want March, and ideally I would want Jon Jones. The person that called agreed 1 million percent that this is what (the UFC) would like, as well. That is what Francis would like. They’re calling to figure out timeline on injury and how long I would need to get him ready.”

“I don’t want Jon Jones to be able to take a fight before us,” Nicksick said. “I want him to have to figure everything out in the cage with Francis, not go fight Stipe and maybe win a decision and then go back to the drawing board and go, ‘OK, here’s the things I need to fix and get better at’ and then come out a better version."

So you have his coach saying in late Oct 22 that they want Jones and in March 23. So you're wrong that Francis was long out the door before his contract expired, clearly not the case. I showed you three examples in Oct 22, Dec 22 and Jan 23 where Francis was still in talks and looking to get a deal done.

Francis' contract officially ran out in January and that's when he was out the door. He was still signed to the UFC until then, so according to you why couldn't Jon sign a fight contract? And you still don't get the concept that the UFC can't guarantee anyone a fight because if the other fighter doesn't want to fight, they can't make them fight, it's that simple.

Also, Jon's new contract and the Gane fight were announced at the same time on January 14 when Ngannou was out the door, not before. So that reads a lot like Jones waited for Frank to leave and then signed a new UFC contract and a Gane fight contract at the same time. You can disagree but that's the way it played out. Combine that with a complete lack of any public statement by Jones that he wanted to fight Frank, I think we can deduce what really happened, Jon waited for Francis to leave and then jumped all in for the Gane fight. (Which is pretty much the conventional wisdom on Sherdog and other fan sites already)

Jon Jones Has Signed A New Eight-Fight Deal

Jon Jones has signed a new eight-fight deal with UFC to kickoff 2023, meaning the 35-year-old former champion could end his turbulent career with Dana White and Co. once the dust settles.

www.mmamania.com

 

[ultra321]

Jones ducked Ngannou for years!​

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the sky is blue....
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