The timeline of Jon Jones refusing to fight Ngannou

Jones negotiating a price for a move to heavyweight or a fight with Ngannou doesn't equal UFC making an effort to make Ngannou/Jones asap.

Think it through man. It's 2020 & in the middle of covid. Ngannou didn't even have the title and you think UFC were dying to make that fight asap? Not at all.
LMAO stop with the bullshit excuses. You claimed the fight wasn't on the table. You lied. Those are two separate instances in two separate years of the UFC trying to make the fight and Jones pricing himself out of it. The UFC absolutely would have made that fight if Jones had been willing. He sat out 2 and a half years instead. That is a fact, documented by the timeline I laid out. This is indisputable. Your narrative is compete BS.
 
This isn't a lie?

"Jones literally asked the UFC to release him because he was sick of waiting on francis"

He literally asked for a release days after Ngannou won the title. This is a blatant lie. You also denied Jones turned the fight until I called your lying ass out on it.
Jones never turned down the fight, Jones negotiated hard and maybe turned down and offer or two but he eventually got on board. Even Francis doesn't deny this.
 
Jones negotiating a price for a move to heavyweight or a fight with Ngannou doesn't equal UFC making an effort to make Ngannou/Jones asap.

Think it through man. It's 2020 & in the middle of covid. Ngannou didn't even have the title and you think UFC were dying to make that fight asap? Not at all.
Dude like I said in my first post in this thread only those with some agenda NEED it to be one guy ducked the other. There is space to use discretion and take things with a grain of salt.
 
Jones never turned down the fight, Jones negotiated hard and maybe turned down and offer or two

LMAO you can't even get your story straight.

but he eventually got on board.
2 and a half years later when Ngannou was a free agent.

Stop misdirecting. You claimed you never lied. I posted a quote of yours that is literally a complete lie.
 
LMAO stop with the bullshit excuses. You claimed the fight wasn't on the table. You lied. Those are two separate instances in two separate years of the UFC trying to make the fight and Jones pricing himself out of it. The UFC absolutely would have made that fight if Jones had been willing. He sat out 2 and a half years instead. That is a fact, documented by the timeline I laid out. This is indisputable. Your narrative is compete BS.

Where's the quote of UFC trying to make the fight in 2020? Not in the link you presented. Fans were talking about the matchup & Jones told the UFC how much he thought it would take to make it happen.

That doesn't equal UFC sending out any form of offer. They couldn't even have crowds in attendance after the UFC began events again with UFC 249 & you think they were dying to make a big money fight with Ngannou & Jones without a belt even on the line lol. Come on, it's real bad business sense to make that fight in 2020.
 
LMAO you can't even get your story straight.


2 and a half years later when Ngannou was a free agent.

Stop misdirecting. You claimed you never lied. I posted a quote of yours that is literally a complete lie.

Lmfao your a fucking moron negotiating a contract isn't the same as refusing to fight someone.

You clearly have an agenda to push you look really stupid to anyone rational
 
One more piece of the puzzle you're missing @blaseblase , why didn't Conor McGregor fight in 2020 once covid began? It's not because he didn't want to, it's because it didn't make financial sense for the UFC because they had no live gate & were holding PPVs in the Apex. So they put him on ice.

Yet, at the same time, according to you they were dying to make Ngannou/Jones... when it would've been for no belt, in the Apex & with no crowd lol.
 
All true.

But Dana's disciples will be on here soon saying Big Frank was the one ducking because Dana told them so.
Dana also said Jones should move to mw and Jones doesn't want to fight Francis ngannou.


When the hang up was on Jon Dana started trashing him. When the hang up was on Francis Dana started trashing him. Believing neither ducked and both were being lowballed is more likely and sensible
 
Jones is a smart guy when it comes to MMA. He knows the risk is too great to fight Ngannou, just like he knows the risk is too great to fight Aspinall.
 
One more piece of the puzzle you're missing @blaseblase , why didn't Conor McGregor fight in 2020? It's not because he didn't want to, it's because it didn't make financial sense for the UFC because they had no live gate & were holding PPVs in the Apex. So they put him on ice.

Yet, at the same time, according to you they were dying to make Ngannou/Jones... when it would've been for no belt, in the Apex & with no crowd lol.
It's obvious the UFC wanted Jones on ice to make the fight at the right time
 
One more piece of the puzzle you're missing @blaseblase , why didn't Conor McGregor fight in 2020 once covid began? It's not because he didn't want to, it's because it didn't make financial sense for the UFC because they had no live gate & were holding PPVs in the Apex. So they put him on ice.

Yet, at the same time, according to you they were dying to make Ngannou/Jones... when it would've been for no belt, in the Apex & with no crowd lol.

You mean when Conor was talking about retiring and trying to fight Diego Sanchez? That time period?

Lol at trying to pretend covid was the excuse, Stipe and DC fought in 2020 and it wasn't at the Apex. Jones held out until 2023.
 
The UFC was going to give ngannou 8 mil to fight Jon.

Ngannou wanted to have his own sponsors, he wanted a fighters representative on the board and wanted his own health insurance. Yes these are nice things that in in support of but the UFC would NEVER cave to them. A broken clock is still right twice a day and DW is correct when he says there's different ways to duck a fight without just saying no. Asking for an outrageous purse or making outrageous demands is one of them. Ngannou knew the UFC would never agree to his demands.

Y'all ngannou apologists need to ask yourself a question. If ngannou was so confident he'd beat Jon why the outrageous demands? He'd be in a much better position to get his demands AFTER beating Jon if he did.

Some of y'all can't see the trees from the forest
 
The UFC was going to give ngannou 8 mil to fight Jon.

Ngannou wanted to have his own sponsors, he wanted a fighters representative on the board and wanted his own health insurance. Yes these are nice things that in in support of but the UFC would NEVER cave to them. A broken clock is still right twice a day and DW is correct when he says there's different ways to duck a fight without just saying no. Asking for an outrageous purse or making outrageous demands is one of them. Ngannou knew the UFC would never agree to his demands.

Y'all ngannou apologists need to ask yourself a question. If ngannou was so confident he'd beat Jon why the outrageous demands? He'd be in a much better position to get his demands AFTER beating Jon if he did.

Some of y'all can't see the trees from the forest
Jones is on record turning down 10 million to fight Ngannou...
 
Jones is on record turning down 10 million to fight Ngannou...
You have proof that the UFC offered Jon 10 mil and he turned it down.

Because I can find the Jon jone's quote where he says he makes about 5 mil for every fight.
 
Y'all ngannou apologists need to ask yourself a question. If ngannou was so confident he'd beat Jon why the outrageous demands? He'd be in a much better position to get his demands AFTER beating Jon if he did.

Some of y'all can't see the trees from the forest
Dishonest question.
It was not about fighting Jones. It was about deciding a contract that would lock him in the UFC for the rest of his career.

He would not have been in any position to make any demand after beating Jones because it would have required him to sign a UFC contract and have lost all leverage of being a free agent.



You have proof that the UFC offered Jon 10 mil and he turned it down..

It's all in the OP.
 
Dishonest question.
It was not about fighting Jones. It was about deciding a contract that would lock him in the UFC for the rest of his career.

He would not have been in any position to make any demand after beating Jones because it would have required him to sign a UFC contract and have lost all leverage of being a free agent.





It's all in the OP.
If you read the article I posted the UFC offered ngannou a 3 fight deal to fight Jon. There would've been an automatic rematch for ngannou if he lost and if ngannou went 1-1 with Jon there would've be a contractually obligated rubber match. The article was also clear THERE WAS NO CONTRACT EXTENSION. After the business with Jon ngannou would've been free to negotiate with the UFC again.

So I stand by my original statement. Had be beaten Jon he would've been in a better position to actually get his demands. Ngannou would not have been "locked in" like your implying.

Read the article from CBS sports I posted.
 
Also the actual simple answer is that Jon has always simply wanted to beat Stipe because Stipe is the only other man who's defeated Cormier and that Ngannou is really pretty irrelevant to all this.

- Jon dropped his LHW title and announced he wanted to move to HW 2 days after Stipe won the trilogy over Cormier
  • - While they were negotiating that Stipe rematched Ngannou and lost and Jon lost interest in moving up again or hell even competing
- Ngannou refuses to fight Jones or Lewis and gets stuck with an interim champ and Jon does nothing because HW's tied up regardless
- Ngannou gets injured and his contract is up and Jon is back saying he wants to fight Stipe by December 2022 even if it means he doesn't get a HW title shot first as Ngannou is out until March 2023 regardless
- Jon accepts HW title matches against Ngannou, Gane, and Stipe for March 2023 and it goes to Gane
- Jon wins the belt and books a title defence against Stipe
- Jon spends an entire year holding out on that same title defence against Stipe even at the expense of an interim champ
- Jon has said this entire time he wants to beat Stipe

Stipe's the commonality in all of this going back to 2020 when Jon first made his move of dropping his LHW title after Stipe beat Cormier again. People throw Ngannou, or lately Aspinall, into the mixture when it's an irrelevant distraction and because they hate Jones. Jon simply wants Stipe and has always wanted him going back to 2020 when Stipe won the trilogy over Cormier. And yeah, I'm 100% sure he really wants Stipe so that he can beat the only other man who's beaten Cormier and rub that in Cormier's face.

It amazes me that people will call Jones a genuine psycho in one breath and then not apply that to his other actions. He's not ducking Ngannou or anybody, that's not how a psycho thinks and acts. Jon's relentlessly targeting Stipe because he's a psycho and has a psychotic goal in doing so:

He wants the pleasure of beating Stipe in front of Cormier while Cormier's forced to commentate on it.
Wow it feels like you believe if you write stuff out it becomes fact.
  • Jon accepts HW title matches against Ngannou, Gane, and Stipe for March 2023 and it goes to Gane
  • Ngannou refuses to fight Jones or Lewis and gets stuck with an interim champ and Jon does nothing because HW's tied up regardles
  • While they were negotiating that Stipe rematched Ngannou and lost and Jon lost interest in moving up again or hell even competing
Jon last fought LHW in Feb 2020. Stipe vs Frank 2 ws more then a year later. Jon could have Moved Up right away but Stipe wasn't old and slow enough yet for him to be comfortable.

Jon was talking about Francis and yet was never Ready to fight at HW until Frank was a free agent and left for more money. He could have demanded Stipe as his first fight for the vacant title but chose his best style match up in Gane.

Jon never accepted a fight against Francis or Stipe for 2023, it was Gane and only Gane.
 
If you read the article I posted the UFC offered ngannou a 3 fight deal to fight Jon. There would've been an automatic rematch for ngannou if he lost and if ngannou went 1-1 with Jon there would've be a contractually obligated rubber match. The article was also clear THERE WAS NO CONTRACT EXTENSION. After the business with Jon ngannou would've been free to negotiate with the UFC again.

So I stand by my original statement. Had be beaten Jon he would've been in a better position to actually get his demands. Ngannou would not have been "locked in" like your implying.

Read the article from CBS sports I posted.
You're right about the contract extension but it was not really full freedom.
3 fights is still a lot when the UFC owns you. They can drag it out for a long time, and Ngannou experienced it first hand (it is mentionned in the CBS article you posted).

There was a context of very bad relations and mistrust between the UFC and Ngannou which peaked in 2021-2022 with the super weird interim belt and the Gane fight.
 
You're right about the contract extension but it was not really full freedom.
3 fights is still a lot when the UFC owns you. They can drag it out for a long time, and Ngannou experienced it first hand (it is mentionned in the CBS article you posted).

There was a context of very bad relations and mistrust between the UFC and Ngannou which peaked in 2021-2022 with the super weird interim belt and the Gane fight.
The UFC will never, ever, ever, ever give a fighter the ability to hold them hostage like McGregor again. The UFC will always prioritize the promotion over any individual fighter. Unfortunately ngannou and the UFC entered bad negotiations from the beginning.
 
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