The timeline of Jon Jones refusing to fight Ngannou

[blaseblase]

I'd like to see the Twitter battle between Jon and Frank that started the whole thing. It was like after Ngannou flattened Rozenstruik, Jon pipes up that the HW division sucks, so Frank's like really, why don't we settle it in the cage, and that started a few weeks of Jon desperately trying to find a way out of it without looking like a pussy, so he ends up asking for a ridiculous amount of money knowing he would never get it. At least that's the way I remember it

There was no Twitter battle. Ngannou was extremely supportive of Jones throughout and supported his quest for more money. Then as soon as he left the UFC both Jones and Dana decided to attack him. Two peas in a pod, two of the worst scumbags in the sport.

 

[svmr_db]

Lol why even post an article from 2020? UFC never was going to attempt having them fight until one of them was heavyweight champion.

 

[blaseblase]

Pull it up

How about your multiple lies in this post?

That's not what happened, you know that isn't what happened. The ufc very clearly spent a year trying to get francis to sign to fight jones. It is francis that wouldn't sign. Jones didn't decide to move up after francis left. Jones literally asked the UFC to release him because he was sick of waiting on francis. As soon as it was announced francis wasn't resigning, Jones vs gane was booked.


not sure what more evidence you want, It's pretty fucking obvious if you're not braindead that the UFC could not get francis to sign and fight jones. It was also pretty obvious jones was moving to HW, He relinquished the LHW belt and announced a move to HW before francis even won the HW title.

You can hate dana all you want, but subscribing to such an stupid narrative just because you don't like him has you coming off as deranged.

 

[PeterGriffin]

This is the real issue I have when people say that Jones wanted to fight Ngannou but... (insert whatever excuse here that helps you sleep better at night).

I call bullshit for one reason, and one reason alone.



It's Dana.

We all saw how quickly Dana's shit-eating grin exploded in the interview when the topic of Jones vs. Ngannou came up. What was it? "Jon, if you want that fight, we can make it happen tonight!!!" (or something akin to that) Dana got an instant hard-on the size of MSG when he got a whiff of the possibility that Jones wanted some of Ngannou's smoke.

Dana has preached from his pulpit how lucky we've been blessed to see Jones grace our presences. Ditched USADA in favor of a less-transparent testing procedure and to help speed along Conor and Jones' returns. Wants the rules changed to erase a loss on his crush's record.

There's nothing Dana wouldn't have done to accommodate Jon. I don't know what kind of fucking back door relationship those two bros have, but Jones clearly has some kind of influence over Dana. Evidence, drugs, voodoo, bros-slapping-hoes wives club, failed tests or coverups... I don't know what the real deal is, but that is one very strange relationship. Dana uses Conor for the publicity/notoriety to make himself and the UFC a lot of money. If that isn't happening, Dana and Conor are definitely not in the same room. Dana and Jones just seems way, way different to me as if Dana definitely sees Jones more as a peer or friend.

Dana would have sold his own kids to make that fight if Jones really wanted it, so if/when Jones says "I wanted to fight Frank..." well, colour me skeptical as fuck. Sorry, not sorry.

 

[RockyLockridge]

How about your multiple lies in this post?

Not a lie or mistruth there

Point to where I said Francis ducked Jones in that post it's not there

 

[svmr_db]

@blaseblase point of view basically:

"Jones ducked Ngannou in 2020 when neither was the champion & the fight would never get made. Oh, and Jones ducked him in 2022 when Ngannou was on the sidelines injured as well."

 

[OldBoy91]

Like them or hate them, I would've really liked to see the Saudis throw $30 million at Jon Jones to fight Ngannou and see what he says.

"Did I say 30 million? I meant 40 million."

"What's that? Your new offer is 40 million? I meant whatever the limit of your max offer is, and double it."

 

[blaseblase]

How do you know UFC would be fine with Ngannou potentially KOing Jones and leaving to PFL and boxing? Why would the PPVs of this fight be worth it? They knew Ngannou wasn't renewing contract with UFC, why give him a chance to destroy one of their last undisputed GOATs and leave.

UFC offered more pay than Brock and a 3 fight minimum contract and it wasn't enough. Sorry it's on Ngannou for this one, it wasn't even the wrong move financially and it was much easier. However this was a nuanced situation than Jones ducking Ngannou.

But 10 million wasn't enough for Jones. He has a documented tweet saying this. How do you explain that? Ngannou didn't get the 8 million offer until he was already in free agency and had the freedom to pursue other opportunities.

 

[Tweak896]

But 10 million wasn't enough for Jones. He has a documented tweet saying this. How do you explain that? Ngannou didn't get the 8 million offer until he was already in free agency and had the freedom to pursue other opportunities.

We only know vague details about Ngannou's contract, Ngannou said there were clauses that he needed to beat Jones 2x and then win his 3rd fight against a contender to collect the full amount. Which does track for the last minute 3 fight offer. Probably was less than his 2 boxing matches PFL's offer, but UFC was the most at HW probably behind Conor. Either way UFC would have tied him up somehow after the 3rd fight and he'd still have to wait to leave to boxing.

For Jones he's been quiet and happy with UFC after whatever they negotiated since he moved to HW. I know he was bitching about it prior to the move.

UFC isn't a charity and is a business now for max profit for shareholders and to keep its reputation as the #1 org for MMA, so again I tell you that despite Jones/Ngannou probably breaking above 1M ppv buys, it wouldn't be worth it to not lock Ngannou down if he were to get Jones. Beating Gane is fine because he's new and Stipe because he's old and lost a few already. Jones represents UFC being the top org. No way Ngannou would ever be able to KO Jones, hop to boxing get ko'd a couple times, then fight PFL afterwards. I don't think anyone can honestly say Ngannou made the wrong choice, he got money, but because he wasn't able to sign a contract with UFC he was the reason it never came together.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

There are certain posters trying to spin the narrative about who was ducking who. I remember this time period so I compiled the news that came out about these negotiations and there's a documented 2 and a half years of Jon Jones refusing to fight Ngannou.

5/29/2020 - Jones is asking for Deontay Wilder money (30 million) to fight Ngannou

Dana White: Jon Jones wanted Deontay Wilder money for heavyweight fight with Francis Ngannou

Dana White continued to levy allegations against Jon Jones regarding their negotiations for a potential heavyweight showdown with Francis Ngannou.

www.mmafighting.com

3/27/2021 - Dana says Jones should go to middleweight and doesn't really want to fight Ngannou

Old video resurfaces of Dana White telling Jon Jones to avoid Francis Ngannou

Dana White once told Jon Jones to do something drastic to avoid Francis Ngannou

bloodyelbow.com

3/29/2021 - Jones begs to be cut, goes on a rant against the UFC

Jon Jones asks for UFC release: 'Please just cut me already'

One day after saying there was \

mmajunkie.usatoday.com

3/31/2021 - Jones says he met with Hunter to negotiate and told him 10 million is way too low to fight Ngannou

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10000539-jon-jones-says-8-10m-is-way-too-low-for-francis-ngannou-ufc-fight

8/8/2021 - Dana isn't even thinking about Jones, he won't be back until 2022

Dana White ‘not even thinking’ about Jon Jones until 2022, unsure what’s next for Stipe Miocic

Dana White addresses Jon Jones’ future as well as Stipe Miocic as they are stuck on the outside looking in while Ciryl Gane prepares to unify the heavyweight title with Francis Ngannou next.

www.mmafighting.com

10/21/2022 - Dana says Jones isn't available won't be coming back until 2023

Dana White ends Jon Jones 2022 comeback

Is Jon Jones returning to UFC? Promotion president Dana White claims "Bones" won’t be ready to compete until spring of 2023, ending any talk of a UFC 282 comeback.

www.mmamania.com

Now maybe you believe Jones deserved 30 million for that fight and was right to sit out. But don't twist the narrative.

All true.

But Dana's disciples will be on here soon saying Big Frank was the one ducking because Dana told them so.

 

[jooohnmatrix]

Ill
Never understand how people get behind a bigger fighter calling out a smaller one, it’s the epitome of a bully.

 

[Sean Chowdhury]

Also the actual simple answer is that Jon has always simply wanted to beat Stipe because Stipe is the only other man who's defeated Cormier and that Ngannou is really pretty irrelevant to all this.

- Jon dropped his LHW title and announced he wanted to move to HW 2 days after Stipe won the trilogy over Cormier
- While they were negotiating that Stipe rematched Ngannou and lost and Jon lost interest in moving up again or hell even competing
- Ngannou refuses to fight Jones or Lewis and gets stuck with an interim champ and Jon does nothing because HW's tied up regardless
- Ngannou gets injured and his contract is up and Jon is back saying he wants to fight Stipe by December 2022 even if it means he doesn't get a HW title shot first as Ngannou is out until March 2023 regardless
- Jon accepts HW title matches against Ngannou, Gane, and Stipe for March 2023 and it goes to Gane
- Jon wins the belt and books a title defence against Stipe
- Jon spends an entire year holding out on that same title defence against Stipe even at the expense of an interim champ
- Jon has said this entire time he wants to beat Stipe

Stipe's the commonality in all of this going back to 2020 when Jon first made his move of dropping his LHW title after Stipe beat Cormier again. People throw Ngannou, or lately Aspinall, into the mixture when it's an irrelevant distraction and because they hate Jones. Jon simply wants Stipe and has always wanted him going back to 2020 when Stipe won the trilogy over Cormier. And yeah, I'm 100% sure he really wants Stipe so that he can beat the only other man who's beaten Cormier and rub that in Cormier's face.

It amazes me that people will call Jones a genuine psycho in one breath and then not apply that to his other actions. He's not ducking Ngannou or anybody, that's not how a psycho thinks and acts. Jon's relentlessly targeting Stipe because he's a psycho and has a psychotic goal in doing so:

He wants the pleasure of beating Stipe in front of Cormier while Cormier's forced to commentate on it.

very convoluted logic, what if Jones didn't want to fight Ngannou because he has 10x the power and strength of stipe? Jones is doing the same thing with Aspinall, he heavily implies he is going to retire after the stipe fight to conveniently avoid fighting a fast big powerful guy like Tom who poses a similar threat to Ngannou

 

[blaseblase]

Not a lie or mistruth there

Point to where I said Francis ducked Jones in that post it's not there

This isn't a lie?

"Jones literally asked the UFC to release him because he was sick of waiting on francis"

He literally asked for a release days after Ngannou won the title. This is a blatant lie. You also denied Jones turned the fight until I called your lying ass out on it.

 

[blaseblase]

@blaseblase point of view basically:

"Jones ducked Ngannou in 2020 when neither was the champion & the fight would never get made. Oh, and Jones ducked him in 2022 when Ngannou was on the sidelines injured as well."

Did you even read the first post? Jones started refusing the fight in 2020 and continued to refuse immediately after Ngannou won the title. I showed the receipts, the whole timeline. You're being disingenuous. 2 and a half years. Jones could have signed the contract at any point but chose to sit on the sidelines.

 

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[don't ask]

At the time Jones was a LHW with way bigger accomplishments than Ngannou. He never had a thick frame and it is more risky for him to fight at HW because it's just not the weight class for him. If I was Jones, I would stay away from that fight too and ask for a shit ton of money to fight Ngannou.

When you are the A side you can do as you please.

What did this guy do to get banned? Anyone know?

 

[svmr_db]

Did you even read the first post? Jones started refusing the fight in 2020 and continued to refuse immediately after Ngannou won the title. I showed the receipts, the whole timeline. You're being disingenuous. 2 and a half years. Jones could have signed the contract at any point but chose to sit on the sidelines.

"signed the contract" What contract was offered to him in 2020? Nothing with Ngannou's name on it. That's a fact.

How can he refuse a fight that's not on the table? You know UFC never showed any interest in making Jones/Ngannou in 2020 right? You must still think two guys agreeing to fight on twitter is the same as legitimate fight booking.

 

[blaseblase]

We only know vague details about Ngannou's contract, Ngannou said there were clauses that he needed to beat Jones 2x and then win his 3rd fight against a contender to collect the full amount. Which does track for the last minute 3 fight offer. Probably was less than his 2 boxing matches PFL's offer, but UFC was the most at HW probably behind Conor. Either way UFC would have tied him up somehow after the 3rd fight and he'd still have to wait to leave to boxing.

For Jones he's been quiet and happy with UFC after whatever they negotiated since he moved to HW. I know he was bitching about it prior to the move.

UFC isn't a charity and is a business now for max profit for shareholders and to keep its reputation as the #1 org for MMA, so again I tell you that despite Jones/Ngannou probably breaking above 1M ppv buys, it wouldn't be worth it to not lock Ngannou down if he were to get Jones. Beating Gane is fine because he's new and Stipe because he's old and lost a few already. Jones represents UFC being the top org. No way Ngannou would ever be able to KO Jones, hop to boxing get ko'd a couple times, then fight PFL afterwards. I don't think anyone can honestly say Ngannou made the wrong choice, he got money, but because he wasn't able to sign a contract with UFC he was the reason it never came together.

Jones is the reason the fight didn't happen. The UFC tried to make the fight in both 2020 and 2021. He refused and demanded 30 million. Then he sat out until Ngannou was a free agent.

 

[blaseblase]

"signed the contract" What contract was offered to him in 2020? Nothing with Ngannou's name on it. That's a fact.

How can he refuse a fight that's not on the table? You know UFC never showed any interest in making Jones/Ngannou in 2020 right? You must still think two guys agreeing to fight on twitter is the same as legitimate fight booking.

Read the first post dude.

"I’ll quote him and what he had said to my lawyer. He told my lawyer he wants what Deontay Wilder was paid. I think it was $30 million was what Deontay Wilder was paid.” - Dana in 2020

"I had a brief phone meeting with UFC‘s lawyer Hunter a few days ago. As of right now I expressed to him that anywhere around eight to $10 million would be way too low for a fight of this magnitude." - Jones himself in 2021

 

[svmr_db]

Read the first post dude.

"I’ll quote him and what he had said to my lawyer. He told my lawyer he wants what Deontay Wilder was paid. I think it was $30 million was what Deontay Wilder was paid.” - Dana in 2020

"I had a brief phone meeting with UFC‘s lawyer Hunter a few days ago. As of right now I expressed to him that anywhere around eight to $10 million would be way too low for a fight of this magnitude." - Jones himself in 2021

Jones negotiating a price for a move to heavyweight or a fight with Ngannou doesn't equal UFC making an effort to make Ngannou/Jones asap.

Think it through man. It's 2020 & in the middle of covid. Ngannou didn't even have the title and you think UFC were dying to make that fight asap? Not at all.