Jones ducked Ngannou for years!

[JKS]

Actually, you're absolutely right, it's a shitty argument. You know what, as it so happens I have contract negotiations with my boss the coming week and that strategy of Jones just might work here too.

I have identified the top earner in my company and he was generous enough to let me know how much salary ($75K anually) he's getting. When I speak to my boss I will let him know that my salary demand is at least $450K. This seems like a good number I use to fish for how much I can bank.

I am 100% confident that the negotiations will run smoothly. Thanks Jon Jones and @JKS!

You go right ahead and do what you gotta do sport!! Best of luck.

 

[Young Calf Kick]

You go right ahead and do what you gotta do sport!! Best of luck.

Appreciate it big dawg. Hang on though, you dropped this

 

[JKS]

Appreciate it big dawg. Hang on though, you dropped this

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LOL, all that shit talk from you and yet you still cant come up with any actual reason for Jones ducking Ngannou aside some BS about him asking for high pay. But yet you don't address the other guy was offered the fight, the contract, actual pay for it with the even the event and didn't sign.

You got the L on this buddy. Now run along.

BTW, when you're doing your contract negotiation with your boss next week, perhaps try the Francis approach. Why don't you ask for more pay, but also ask your boss if you can work for other companies at the same time. Also, ask for a whole bunch of other benefits other employees don't get.

 

[Young Calf Kick]

LOL, all that shit talk from you and yet you still cant come up with any actual reason for Jones ducking Ngannou aside some BS about him asking for high pay. But yet you don't address the other guy was offered the fight, the contract, actual pay for it with the even the event and didn't sign.

You got the L on this buddy. Now run along.

That's cute. You keep bringing me new ideas though, next time I'm losing an argument I'll just say "your argument is bullshit" without providing further explanation as to why it is, in fact, bullshit, other than "everybody does it". Which actually kind of sounds like what I used to tell my parents when I was a kid and I wanted something. "But everybody has/does it!"

I'm sure asking for a guaranteed 6x the amount of pay the top earner/fighter in the company makes is common practice in the UFC.

Then again, expecting intellectual honesty in discussions from members of the Jon Jones Glazing Squad was my mistake.

 

[JKS]

That's cute. You keep bringing me new ideas though, next time I'm losing an argument I'll just say "your argument is bullshit" without providing further explanation as to why it is, in fact, bullshit, other than "everybody does it". Which actually kind of sounds like what I used to tell my parents when I was a kid and I wanted something. "But everybody has/does it!"

I'm sure asking for a guaranteed 6x the amount of pay the top earner/fighter in the company makes is common practice in the UFC.

Then again, expecting intellectual honesty in discussions from members of the Jon Jones Glazing Squad was my mistake.

Hold on a second there buddy. You said that I called your argument shitty and didn't provide further explanation? All I did was provide further explanation a couple of times and you just ignored it.

So let's try this again, the reason why I said your argument is BS is because the same thing you criticized Jon for and said was the reason for ducking the fight, was the same thing Francis did later on. You say Jon ducked cause he asked for a lot of money. But yet you ignore in that in contract talks Francis was asking not only for big money, but also allowing him to box, among other things. Both times the UFC declined. You understand now?? You're contradciting yourself by using Jon's demands again him, but you won't address the demands Francis had that led to the fight not happening. The only difference is that Jon was just having early talks, Francis actually got a fight offer and contract. So based on your reasoning, if there is anyone that ducked it's Francis.

And that's the other part of your argument that BS. You're saying Jon shouldn't ask for more because Conor is the highest paid fighter?? Jon can ask for what he pleases for a fight this magnitude. Jon's pay is not based of Conor's pay. This makes zero sense. So now no one can ask for big money cause Conor is the stadard lol. And when Jon was asking for this, Francis backed him on it and agreed with him. Jon like all fighters are all independent contractors and not employees. One guys pay is not gonna dependent on the others, that's why they are contractors lol, they can negotiate their worth.

BTW, I am not even a Jones fan, I don't even like the guy and always went against him. I am just not biased and call this situation down the middle.

 

[ThePimblettEra]

JBJ not fighting the champ in the division above = ducking.
LWs beating FWs and/or never moving up at all = GOAT, "best of all time".

The double standards are hilarious.

That said, he clearly doesn't want any part of Tom at the moment.
Tells you all you need to know about Tom's future in this sport (he's gonna keep decimating everyone and likely retire the best HW of all time IMO).

 

[djacobox372]

Francis seems like a far easier matchup for Jones than Stipe..

I do think that Jones wanted no part of HW DC though.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

He went after Gane because Gane was super green, had unproven/untested grappling skills and lacked one hitter quitter power.

So now Jon ducked Aspinall by fighting Gane back when Tom was still out injured? Talk about revisionist history.

 

[10000yearsold]

So now Jon ducked Aspinall by fighting Gane back when Tom was still out injured? Talk about revisionist history.

in unrelated stuff, I personally think Gane is a nightmare match-up for for Tom, that could pretty easily fukc up Aspinall's whole campaign.

Aspinall has enough wrestling and size to give Jon a harder time than Gane, but he's not good enough a wrestler or grappler to not get out-boxed badly by Gane.

 

[Captain Herb]

And you're getting this from where?? I have an interview with Francis himself saying that the Jon Jones fight was offered in his contract and was the first fight on his new deal. Like it or not, this fight was suppose to happen at UFC 285 with it being offered to both guys. Francis didn't take the deal, and took something that he thought worked better for him. I don't blame the man, he made some good money, fought some boxing fights and now is in PFL doing his thing.

They can hope Jon would agree to a fight, they can tell Frank we're going to try to make this fight next but no one can make Jon fight if he doesn't want to, and he didn't want to, it's clear. So telling Frank, 'sign this multi fight deal with all the usual restrictions and we'll work on the Jones fight next and you'll get x amount of money if it happens' is just typical Dana White empty promises and Frank saw it as that. The contract was not to fight Jones, the contract was to re-sign with the UFC under their terms.

 

[nonoob]

He priced himself out of the fight.

Yeah, toMayto, toMahto, coward Jon wanted No part of ANY HW, much less Francis.

 

[Marko Polo]

Yeah, toMayto, toMahto, coward Jon wanted No part of ANY HW, much less Francis.

Ducked the Reyes rematch by moving up, then Francis started sleeping people so he wanted no part of that. They got rid of Francis and Jon moves up literally the same week. You just know Jon is part of Francis’s negotiations at that time. It’s like he made a deal with Dana “I’ll move up and take the easiest match up possible with Gane and the ufc can say they have the GOAT when I get the double champ status” Gane was the first fighter in History to get a Loss bonus that night…

 

[nonoob]

LOL, all that shit talk from you and yet you still cant come up with any actual reason for Jones ducking Ngannou aside some BS about him asking for high pay. But yet you don't address the other guy was offered the fight, the contract, actual pay for it with the even the event and didn't sign.

Francis fought through Every HW, winning the True HW Championship.

What did Jon do?​

 

[JKS]

They can hope Jon would agree to a fight, they can tell Frank we're going to try to make this fight next but no one can make Jon fight if he doesn't want to, and he didn't want to, it's clear. So telling Frank, 'sign this multi fight deal with all the usual restrictions and we'll work on the Jones fight next and you'll get x amount of money if it happens' is just typical Dana White empty promises and Frank saw it as that. The contract was not to fight Jones, the contract was to re-sign with the UFC under their terms.

No, no man. The contract was very clear that the Jones fight was there and he had the money laid out. He had the pay laid out for the Jones fight at around 8 mill. The plan was to do it at UFC 285, Jon was getting the title shot. If Francis signed his contract the fight would have 100% happened. Jon wanted the fight, why do you think he signed a brand new contract and moved up to HW. There is no indication at all that Jon didn't want the fight, but yet you say it's clear lol.

 

[JKS]

Francis fought through Every HW, winning the True HW Championship.

What did Jon do?​

You're missing the point my friend. The point is the offer was there for the Jones fight and Francis opted for a different option. Has nothing to do with what Francis did in the past. Both guys wanted the fight, it just didnt work. But all these claim of ducking is complete BS from either sides.

 

[nonoob]

Gane was the first fighter in History to get a Loss bonus that night…

Gee, surprise, surprise. The Gift of Gane was rewarded for "losing" to Dana's boy.

If Francis signed his contract the fight would have 100% happened.

Jon didn't fight a Single HW, EVER. You, JKS, are a Dana parrot, a joke.

 

[Captain Herb]

No, no man. The contract was very clear that the Jones fight was there and he had the money laid out. He had the pay laid out for the Jones fight at around 8 mill. The plan was to do it at UFC 285, Jon was getting the title shot. If Francis signed his contract the fight would have 100% happened. Jon wanted the fight, why do you think he signed a brand new contract and moved up to HW. There is no indication at all that Jon didn't want the fight, but yet you say it's clear lol.

Dude, IF. If Jones agreed to the fight he would get 8mil. He hadn't agreed to any fight with Frank and he wouldn't have. You're telling me they came into negotiations with a fight contract signed by Jon Jones. That didn't happen.

 

[Gamer2k4]

He priced himself out of the fight.

And Ngannou didn't? He priced himself out of the whole UFC.

I know it's popular to say Ngannou wanted the fight and Jones didn't, but when it comes down to it, Jones was the one who was fighting (and winning) at HW immediately after the fight fell apart. Over a year after signing with a new promotion (for a huge contract, apparently), Ngannou still hasn't fought an MMA match yet.

 

[nonoob]

Jones was the one who was fighting (and winning) at HW immediately after the fight fell apart

Yes. Jon has been a HW inspirational goat that No One wants to fight.

 

[Jfreemandrums]

I'm sure he got way less money for Gane than what he would've wanted for Ngannou. But Gane was way less risky.
Hes made statements before that they weren't reaching the numbers he wanted for the Ngannou fight.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10000539-jon-jones-says-8-10m-is-way-too-low-for-francis-ngannou-ufc-fight.amp.html

When ngannou wants more money and to be able to box: YOU GO GIRL, YAASS SLAAAAYY
When Jones wants money: BOOOOO, HES DUCKING

A real easy way to negotiate your way out of a fight is to ask for a number you know is unrealistic and the UFC will never give you

Jones ducked Francis 1000%