Jones ducked Ngannou for years!

[egk]

I don't think either of them were scared and ducked a fight but both of them had demands. Jones asked for a lot of money and I think they could have negotiated that. On the other hand, Ngannou asked for a lot of things in addition to money. He wanted to box and had "certain stipulations" and the UFC wasn't going to meet all of his demands He priced himself out of the organization.

From mmajunkie
"Ngannou said he was keen on staying and re-signing with the UFC to fight with Jones, so long certain stipulations were met for his new contract. Those didn’t come to fruition according to Ngannou, thus prompting his exit from the UFC."

 

[JKS]

You definitely do not know any better than I do, but we can both agree that Jon sat out for years making no money with an open offer to fight Ngannou.
Jones took no interest until Ngannou’s contract was done and he had an offer to fight for Hw boxing money.
One guy left to fight for millions the other sat out to make nothing. The man who made nothing avoiding this fight is the duck.

I actually have a very good idea of what happened and pretty sure better than you do. The fact you're using the argument that Jon sat out for years is complete BS. And there as no open contract offer. The only time there was an actual contract offer was in Dec 22, Francis didn't take it. Both got the offer for UFC 285, one guy fought and the other didn't. Once again, I don't blame Francis, he got a better deal somewhere else.

You said he had no interest till Ngannous contract was done?? LOL, Jon was negotiating his contract for all of 22 and so was Francis. Both got an offer for UFC 285, one guy signed. And there no offer in boxing my friend, stop making things up. When Francis left in Jan of 22 all he had was talk. Fury fought 2x that year vs different opponents before he actually negotiated the Ngnannou fight a year later.

About your comment of Jon sitting out years. What you fail to understand is that there was a smaller window than you think to make this fight where it made sense for both guys. And that window was when Francis won the belt in March of 21 to the end of their negotiations in Dec 22. You also have consider that Francis after Gane was injured with his knee for the remainder of 22. You also have to understand that when Jon beat Reyes in Feb of 20 to the point when Francis won the HW belt in March of 21, that fight wasn't taking place. They jabbed at each other in the media, but unless Jon was fighting for the HW title, he wasn't going to HW, and why would he?? So your claim of "years" is not accurate my friend.

 

[nonoob]

Jones ducked Francis. better luck next time.

If Jon's babymama could duck as good as he can, she would've been a less-battered woman.
Had she ducked better that night, it May Have kept Las Vegas police from having to rescue her from his savage bloody attack that took place in front of his horrified little girls.

Jones legacy - unchallenged DV, written in stone, after Jon's arrest in Las Vegas.

 

[Pechan]

The lead-up doesn't matter. When a contract was actually ready, Francis said no while Jon said yes.

Lol no he didn't, the contract was never made.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Lol no he didn't, the contract was never made.

It was constructed by the contract offered to Francis, that he turned down.

 

[Young Calf Kick]

That's a pretty shitty argument there sport, because Jon wanted to get paid large?? And I like that little curve ball you threw in there "if you exclude PPV points" that's where the money is for Conor and even tough he got a 3 mill base, with PPV he made over 28 mill (reported)

Your argument of Jon asking for big money and the fight not being made is the same as Francis demanding to box among other things and not getting what he wanted.

It just didn't work for both sides, no one ducked anyone. Get over it.

how is my argument a curveball? PPV points income is based on how much PPVs the card sells, so that’s different from a guaranteed purse. argument still stands

 

[Fact Checker]

Jones haters doing mental gymnastics again because they have nothing on his stellar fight record.


The only FACTS we have is that Ngannou opted to go to the minor leagues when Jones announced he was committing to HW… he then beat Ngannous biggest test in roughly a minute making a mockery of Ngannous laboring limited skillset.

 

[JKS]

how is my argument a curveball? PPV points income is based on how much PPVs the card sells, so that’s different from a guaranteed purse. argument still stands

Your argument was that Jon ducked Francis cause he asked for a lot of money and that is what I am saying is a shitty argument. It has nothing to do with ducking, we wanted to get paid and was negotiating his contract. Fighters do this all the time, they see a highly lucrative and in demand fight and put it out in the media they want to get paid large to make it happen. Jon was fishing for how much he can bank, but it's not ducking. If Jon was offered the fight and declined, that is ducking.

The other point I made was that Francis didn't take the fight for similar reasons involving a contract. It's a very similar situation. So you can't blame Jon and call him a duck cause he was negotiating for a high purse and great deal and then don't say Francis was doing the same thing. Based on your reasoning, Francis ducked too.

 

[Tweak896]

Ngannou just wanted to fight and leave to boxing. UFC wasn't going to let him KO Jones and leave and get KO'd by top boxers. It was on Ngannou, but because he wanted boxing money not ducking.

 

[torry]

Jon jones was never my friend!

 

[nonoob]

we wanted to get paid and was negotiating his contract.

Yes, you & Jon did good.

Jones haters doing mental gymnastics again because they have nothing on his stellar fight record.

Comical AF, stellar indeed. Dana's Gift of Gane given since Pico's 2013 HW talk.

 

[Captain Herb]

There was an official contract offer given to Francis to fight Jones, he didn't sign it and left the promotion. Those are facts dummy.

Na, they were just using a possible Jones fight as bait to lock Frank into a contract he didn't want. He could sign all the contracts he wanted to fight Jones, it wouldn't matter if Jones never signed to fight him. So there were no signed contracts with anyone, they just offered him guaranteed money IF they ever fought, and we know Jon had no intention of fighting. Frank's no fool, he didn't fall for the bait and switch

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

Does anyone actually think Ngannou ducked Jones?
Ngannou was the champion of the HW division for years while Jones sat out "bulking". He had every opportunity over that time frame to fight him, but declined to do so. He did not return until Ngannou left the promotion. These are facts.

Just wanna set the record straight that Jon Jones is a duck. He ducked Ngannou and now he is ducking Aspinall. That is all.

k

 

[2004 account]

you really believe that was the issue? You think he got more money to fight Gane than he could have to fight Ngannou?

Please recall that Ngannou fought every contender presented to him for a period of about 3 years while Jones sat out. Jones had a standing open offer to fight Ngannou over that time. Anytime he might have wanted to accept it, the fight was there for him. He declined to pursue it. His statement about why he was doing this was to bulk, not negotiate finance.

In addition Jon jones said on steve o's podcast that he was afraid and recognized francis's one punch ko power. So its a duck indeed

 

[KO Shotz]

As much as I like Fedor, it was all on him. Brock had no real reason to not want that fight, he was thrown to the wolves basically from jump. But a guy who had developed an aura and cult like following based around his undefeated record absolutely had a reason to avoid the UFC where he wasnt gonna get the same freedom to manage the risks he took.

As for Jon/Ngannou. Seems like Jon would have much more reason to avoid that fight than Ngannou would. Ngannou was less of a star and already had multiple losses, while Jon was the bigger star but the smaller man, and had the whole "undefeated" aura to protect. Also its not like Jon is some scary heavy hitting fighter that people are terrified of, whereas Ngannou was. I dont see why a guy who fought genuinely scary dudes like Reem and then went to boxing to fight friggin Anthony Joshua, would be afraid of a pillow fisted career LHW who was last seen getting a contentious decision over Dominick Reyes.

I don't think Jones or Ngannou were afraid of each other. I think Jones wanted to make sure his body could handle being a HW, that's why he was taking the time to bulk up (tho it looked like he was passing time), & Ngannou wanted to get paid more than what the UFC was giving him. So he left.

 

[orca]

yeah sure nganou wasnt even a champ back then but u claim he ducked him lmfao
yeah sure a dude who didnt signed the contract left
the one that left didnt duck

i mean if nganou just signed the contract they had fought already

what if jones left and nganou stayed
would you absolutely believe he didnt ducked because hes the one who left

literaly its nonsense
have you seen how nganou went to life and death struggle with gane
then jones strangled gane like it was nothing

shows you how weak nganou as a champion is (the skill gap is so broad lmfao)

 

[BlkBeltJones]

Of course, real ones know.

 

[Mike]

Jones isn't a natural hw. It always seems silly when people say fighters are ducking guys in other weight classes.

 

[Young Calf Kick]

Your argument was that Jon ducked Francis cause he asked for a lot of money and that is what I am saying is a shitty argument. It has nothing to do with ducking, we wanted to get paid and was negotiating his contract. Fighters do this all the time, they see a highly lucrative and in demand fight and put it out in the media they want to get paid large to make it happen. Jon was fishing for how much he can bank, but it's not ducking. If Jon was offered the fight and declined, that is ducking.

The other point I made was that Francis didn't take the fight for similar reasons involving a contract. It's a very similar situation. So you can't blame Jon and call him a duck cause he was negotiating for a high purse and great deal and then don't say Francis was doing the same thing. Based on your reasoning, Francis ducked too.

Actually, you're absolutely right, it's a shitty argument. You know what, as it so happens I have contract negotiations with my boss the coming week and that strategy of Jones just might work here too.

I have identified the top earner in my company and he was generous enough to let me know how much salary ($75K anually) he's getting. When I speak to my boss I will let him know that my salary demand is at least $450K. This seems like a good number I use to fish for how much I can bank.

I am 100% confident that the negotiations will run smoothly. Thanks Jon Jones and @JKS!

 

[JKS]

Na, they were just using a possible Jones fight as bait to lock Frank into a contract he didn't want. He could sign all the contracts he wanted to fight Jones, it wouldn't matter if Jones never signed to fight him. So there were no signed contracts with anyone, they just offered him guaranteed money IF they ever fought, and we know Jon had no intention of fighting. Frank's no fool, he didn't fall for the bait and switch

And you're getting this from where?? I have an interview with Francis himself saying that the Jon Jones fight was offered in his contract and was the first fight on his new deal. Like it or not, this fight was suppose to happen at UFC 285 with it being offered to both guys. Francis didn't take the deal, and took something that he thought worked better for him. I don't blame the man, he made some good money, fought some boxing fights and now is in PFL doing his thing.