It was Khamzat's fault the fight was boring, and that's OK if he only cares about winning

These dolts act like it was Chimaev vs a tackling dummy that's incapable of moving or making choices during a fight. It's hard to grasp how they can be so lost.
No at this point we're much more close to wondering if you guys would be excusing Khamzat from doing what he did to a literal tackling dummy.

"Guys the tackling dummy has no brain to get KO'd, of course Khamzat didn't hurt him!"

"Guys the tackling dummy has no arms, of course Khamzat didn't sub him from the crucifix!"

"drIcus DID NotHinG" Okay well that should've made Khamzat's job even easier to beat the shit out of him. So what was with the pitter patter instead
 
You realize they are competing, right? If your opponent has you locked in a position you don’t just let it happen and hope they give you a chance. You do what you can to get out, which Dricus barely even tried to do.

Criticizing Khamzat’s lack of aggression and urgency to finish is completely fair, but how can you not criticize DDP for just accepting the positions Khamzat put him in? The same positions that we see fighters get themselves out of all the time.
This isn't amateur olympic sport where winning is all that matters. This is prize fighting, sports entertainment.

Ultimately if Caucuses fighters that control fights with grappling like Merab, Mokaev, and Khamzat become more common, the rules will have to ban their style. Boxing did this with dirty boxing. It was too dominant if you could control your opponent with holding and rabbit punch them, and it made boxing boring. Just because a style is dominant doesn't mean it's good for the sport.
 
Yes, I was there. There were boos and cheering mixed.

And if you think he won't headline his next card you're utterly clueless. You know the t shirts they sell for $40 at the events? Guess who they put on them? The main event fighters. Guess how many they sell? A shit ton. And they will at his next fight too, with him on the back of the shirt. Not Prates or someone else, Khamzat.

This has become the thing now that people who dislike him cling to: he's boring. Because in ONE of his NINE fights in the UFC he just wrestled and won that way. His other 8 fights he either destroyed his opponent or they had a shit ton of action. But because of this one fight where his opponent couldn't stop his wrestling but was good enough to stall and survive...nobody wants to see him fight anymore.

Can't make this shit up.

Except you are making shit up. I never said he wouldn't main event, I never said I didn't like him. That's your projections.

His last fight was boring and he could/should have done more. That's what I said.

If you liked it, good for you. Not everyone has to
 
"drIcus DID NotHinG" Okay well that should've made Khamzat's job even easier to beat the shit out of him. So what was with the pitter patter instead
No, because Dricus didn't risk it enough.

He was content with staying in bad positions to not get finished, doing everything to stay as safe as possible, and take his chances in the striking for the first 20 seconds in each round.

Submissions usually get locked in during scrambles, not when one guy is turtling or just controlling posture flat on his back.
 
He shouldn't lose any crowd support. Lol. This "boring fight" shit needs to end. Ppl want to see blood and fighters being torn for it to be fun. Like Ankalaev vs Pereira, a very close fight but ppl like... Almost threw up with that fight. Fighters who are smart and at a high elite level know that one mistake can cost them the fight, and a big hit can KO them. Smart and elite fighters generally dominate whoever isn't on their level. When they're on the same level many times the fight is boring due to them reading each other and having a chess match in which one misstep could cost a position.

In Khamzat's case, I think he was so dominant that it was "boring". Maybe if he added vertical elbows when in the crucifix position, that'd be more fun, huh? I think he's a nice guy though to win without destroying DDP by using brutal G&P (which he totally could in the position he was). If winning by total domination without battering DDP with heavy strikes was enough, that shows his heart too... He isn't there to kill someone. He just made DDP totally unable to do anything 98% of the time while he was winning every aspect of it. Sorry he didn't land nasty ground and pound to smash DDP's face?
 
This isn't amateur olympic sport where winning is all that matters. This is prize fighting, sports entertainment.

Ultimately if Caucuses fighters that control fights with grappling like Merab, Mokaev, and Khamzat become more common, the rules will have to ban their style. Boxing did this with dirty boxing. It was too dominant if you could control your opponent with holding and rabbit punch them, and it made boxing boring. Just because a style is dominant doesn't mean it's good for the sport.
It’s prize fighting and what Khamzat did won him the prize.

Fighters winning with control and very little damage isn’t anything new, these kind of fights have been going on for as long as the sport has existed. It may not be the most entertaining but it’s just part of the sport. At some point a knockout artist will work their way up the MW rankings, win the belt and all will be well again.
 
No, because Dricus didn't risk it enough.

He was content with staying in bad positions to not get finished, doing everything to stay as safe as possible, and take his chances in the striking for the first 20 seconds in each round.

Submissions usually get locked in during scrambles, not when one guy is turtling or just controlling posture flat on his back.
The reason why Dricus didn't get finished in the crucifixes was because Dricus was content staying in the crucifixes to not to get finished?

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No, I'm pretty sure it's because Khamzat never even threw any fighting ending strikes or subs there that could've finished him to begin with.
 
Being exciting in MMA for most people means inflicting damage and working towards a finish. The winning fighter is in better position to do that. When you're losing by being completely controlled, you don't have the benefit of being able to be more exciting -- he was under khamzat's complete control. It's not like losing a striking match where the guy losing can go complete berserker and swing for the fences. Khamzat had DDP's shoulders pinned to the mat and had him completely controlled the majority of that fight. The only thing DDP could have done with his skillset to make that more exciting was stop defending submissions lol. When DDP was the one with more control, he went for the closest submission of the fight, he threw strikes on the feet, etc etc.

Again, Both of these guys deserve blame. Dricus for not being able to do shit, and Khamzat for coasting to a safe win. They both made that fight what it was.

On the mat alone that argument holds merit. It doesn't really when we're talking about a rear waist lock with no hooks in.
 
On the mat alone that argument holds merit. It doesn't really when we're talking about a rear waist lock with no hooks in.

DDP tried to granby roll at one point, tried to roll for a leg, He tried to stand up. Khamzat is just fucking amazing at riding guys from the body lock and kept breaking him down and following him. It's one of Khamzat's best positions, and that was also only like 4 minutes of the fight or so.
 
No at this point we're much more close to wondering if you guys would be excusing Khamzat from doing what he did to a literal tackling dummy.

"Guys the tackling dummy has no brain to get KO'd, of course Khamzat didn't hurt him!"

"Guys the tackling dummy has no arms, of course Khamzat didn't sub him from the crucifix!"

"drIcus DID NotHinG" Okay well that should've made Khamzat's job even easier to beat the shit out of him. So what was with the pitter patter instead

Why did Dricus "do nothing". Was he paralyzed during the walkout? Didn't seem like it. Seems like he made the choice to take zero chances in a fight where he needed to.
 
On the mat alone that argument holds merit. It doesn't really when we're talking about a rear waist lock with no hooks in.
"Khamzat is not responsible because he didn't hold as dominant of a position as possible to do more."

"ALSO he is not responsible when he did hold those dominant positions but still didn't do more."

I'm starting to think you're being disengenuous.
 
Except you are making shit up. I never said he wouldn't main event, I never said I didn't like him. That's your projections.

His last fight was boring and he could/should have done more. That's what I said.

If you liked it, good for you. Not everyone has to

That's a more fair way to put it than those trying to paint the guy as boring because of this one fight. Apologies for lumping you in with them incorrectly.
 
Why did Dricus "do nothing". Was he paralyzed during the walkout? Didn't seem like it. Seems like he made the choice to take zero chances in a fight where he needed to.
Dricus did nothing because he was being controlled.

Khamzat did nothing because he was focused on controlling instead of attacking.

This is very hard for you for some reason
 
DDP tried to granby roll at one point, tried to roll for a leg, He tried to stand up. Khamzat is just fucking amazing at riding guys from the body lock and kept breaking him down and following him. It's one of Khamzat's best positions, and that was also only like 4 minutes of the fight or so.

He tried a couple half assed things but never truly tried to take a real chance. Ever.
 
Dricus did nothing because he was being controlled.

Khamzat did nothing because he was focused on controlling instead of attacking.

This is very hard for you for some reason

A waist lock from behind isn’t much control buddy, sorry.
 
"Khamzat is not responsible because he didn't hold as dominant of a position as possible to do more."

"ALSO he is not responsible when he did hold those dominant positions but still didn't do more."

I'm starting to think you're being disengenuous.

That doesn't even make sense. Wanna try again LMAO?
 
He tried a couple half assed things but never truly tried to take a real chance. Ever.

"Ever" you say, after just conceding that I was right about him being completely out of control for the majority of the fight and unable to. We're only talking about a small portion of the fight when khamzat had the body lock now. His attempts to get out of the bodylock might have looked half assed to you, but I think that was all he had lol. He just sat in crucifix for multiple rounds squirming with a grown man on him. That is exhausting. I think, once again, the only things he could have done in his skillset to make that more exciting was to give up the choke.

What did you want from him? People fail to get out of that position with khamzat all the time when they're fresh, let alone after sitting in a crucifix.


And again, being exciting in MMA is about being offensive and working to a finish. DDP was not in a good position to do that when Khamzat had his chest bearing down on DDP while holding the bodylock.
 
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Chimaev made no attempt to posture up in order to land any significant GnP, nor did he initiate scrambles in order to look for a sub. He elected at every turn to maintain or advance positional dominance over opportunities to end the fight.

DDP had no gameplan about how to escape bad positions and create opportunitities for the fight to take place in situations where he could succeed - beyond the vague idea that being wrestlefucked would be enough to tire Chimaev out. This is worse imo bc him and his team knew what Chimaev was bringing and were unable to produce nothing to counter it.

Blame for the bore goes to both but more to DDP.
 
"Ever" you say, after just conceding that I was right about him being completely out of control for the majority of the fight and unable to. We're only talking about a small portion of the fight when khamzat had the body lock now. His attempts to get out of the bodylock might have looked half assed to you, but I think that was all he had lol. He just sat in crucifix for multiple rounds squirming with a grown man on him. That is exhausting. I think, once again, the only things he could have done in his skillset to make that more exciting was to give up the choke.

What did you want from him? People fail to get out of that position with khamzat all the time when they're fresh, let alone after sitting in a crucifix.


And again, being exciting in MMA is about being offensive and working to a finish. DDP was not in a good position to do that when Khamzat had his chest bearing down on DDP while holding the bodylock.

Not sure what to tell you. He had chances to explode out of the body lock, roll for kneebar, etc.

The thing is, I'm not trying to shit on Dricus. It's a helluva tough spot. But the people now calling Khamzat boring because in his title shot he took the clearest path to winning the belt are obnoxious.
 
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