It was Khamzat's fault the fight was boring, and that's OK if he only cares about winning

[mkess101]

So you DO concede that Khamzat was controlling Dricus instead of attacking him.

Thanks for playing bud.

Uhh, when did I say he wasn't controlling him a lot of the fight. You are seriously about as dumb as is possible. You can fight to NOT allow the other guy to control you too. FFS...you suck at this. Really badly.

 

[markg171]

Uhh, when did I say he wasn't controlling him a lot of the fight. You are seriously about as dumb as is possible. You can fight to NOT allow the other guy to control you too. FFS...you suck at this. Really badly.

Thank you for once again conceding that Khamzat was controlling Dricus instead of attacking him.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

TS is an actual disabled person

 

[mkess101]

Thank you for once again conceding that Khamzat was controlling Dricus instead of attacking him.

Thank you for once again reminding us you'd lose an IQ test contest with a potted plant.

 

[markg171]

Thank you for once again reminding us you'd lose an IQ test contest with a potted plant.

A potted plant would probably land more significant strikes than Khamzat

 

[Anewt]

I fiund it a boring fight. Impressive control by khazmat.... other than that.. quite a dull affair.


Terrible reffing tho

 

[balkanbomber85]

The bathtub crowd can’t decide whether it was ‘the most dominant performance ever’ or if DDP just did nothing on purpose and let Khamzat dominate him. You read a lot of nonsense on Sherdog, but this is top-tier.

 

[cshireman4]

You realize the 9s DDP got had nothing to do with Dricus and everything to do with how little of relevance Khamzat was doing right?

If you're winning by 500 strikes and 12 TDs but still only scoring 10-9 then yes, you must be laying and praying because those stats would otherwise usually warrant 10-8s and 10-7s if you were doing anything of note.

Again, disregard the entire basis of my post and find some tiny "win" to puff your chest about. Ignoring your implication that we have objective, consistent, merit-based round scoring in MMA, I do know how scoring works. I am capable of reading the fight stats and am well aware of how DDP "earned" those 9s. Or as your warped mind puts it, how Khamzat failed to earn those 8s/7s lmao...If you want to say that Khamzat "laid" then by all means. But if you are going to say he "Laid and Prayed" I'm gonna have to ask you what the fuck it is he was praying for? There are fights where guys hope that a few takedowns and some top control sway the judges enough to squeak out a decision. You know, lay and PRAY...Double digit takedowns and 21+ minutes of control does not fit that narrative.

Run a simulation of that exact fight 1 billion times and DDP wins a decision in exactly zero of them. So yes, Khamzat took down DDP at will. He got him in the mounted crucifix in EVERY ROUND and there was nothing that could be done about it. Did he "lay" there? I guess...but the potential outcome of the fight was not up for debate once the 5th round ended. Like always, Khamzat was the clear winner. Never lost a fight. Nothing to "pray" for. The term "lay and pray" in this context doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. Please get better at criticizing fighters that you have just simply made up your mind about not liking rather than saying stupid shit and pretending it is divine wisdom.

 

[srxon]

Ddp fans? Were fight fans and yes fun is a requirement.

It was extremely interesting for me to watch Hamzat teach DDP wrestling. It was perfection.
Maybe you're not into MMA.

 

[TrueBias]

It was extremely interesting for me to watch Hamzat teach DDP wrestling. It was perfection.
Maybe you're not into MMA.

You're basically presenting a wrestle only argument.
Maybe you're not into MMA.

 

[markg171]

You're basically presenting a wrestle only argument.
Maybe you're not into MMA.

They never ask us if we enjoy GNP, submissions, scrambles, reversals, etc.

Funny that eh

 

[TrueBias]

They never ask us if we enjoy GNP, submissions, scrambles, reversals, etc.

Funny that eh

EXACTLY. Its like these posters are just waiting for a green light to pretend to be experts via insulting.

Ddp lost via being grappling. Who gives a shit if ddp was lost, what we saw that tho he was lost, khazmat didn't do any of the things you listed, of which makes grappling potentially awesome to watch.

 

[markg171]

EXACTLY. Its like these posters are just waiting for a green light to pretend to be experts via insulting.

Ddp lost via being grappling. Who gives a shit if ddp was lost, what we saw that tho he was lost, khazmat didn't do any of the things you listed, of which makes grappling potentially awesome to watch.

They're acting like it's completely normal to complain about a fight that featured someone crucified being boring.

Like no, usually that's pretty exciting and only once is enough to end things because the fighter starts throwing bombs or subs at their helpless opponent. It's a perfect position to be exciting... if you use the advantages it gives you.

Khamzat was getting to positions that can be exciting and then just not executing on them so he could focus on maintaining the position over actually doing anything with it. Of course it's warranting criticism. It's not against the rules, and it's still winning the fight if Dricus can't prevent it, but don't sit here and tell us there wasn't more Khamzat could've been doing.

 

[cshireman4]

EXACTLY. Its like these posters are just waiting for a green light to pretend to be experts via insulting.

Ddp lost via being grappling. Who gives a shit if ddp was lost, what we saw that tho he was lost, khazmat didn't do any of the things you listed, of which makes grappling potentially awesome to watch.

They're acting like it's completely normal to complain about a fight that featured someone crucified being boring.

Like no, usually that's pretty exciting and only once is enough to end things because the fighter starts throwing bombs or subs at their helpless opponent. It's a perfect position to be exciting... if you use the advantages it gives you.

Khamzat was getting to positions that can be exciting and then just not executing on them so he could focus on maintaining the position over actually doing anything with it. Of course it's warranting criticism. It's not against the rules, and it's still winning the fight if Dricus can't prevent it, but don't sit here and tell us there wasn't more Khamzat could've been doing.

Just to be clear, are your problems with Khamzat as a fighter or this one performance he had in his last fight? I could see, without any context, how I would be disappointed with how that fight played out. But imo, that was a choice by Khamzat just to prove a point. Completely opposite to how he normally fights (80% finish rate). Do you think Khamzat could have finished this fight if he had wanted to do so? Were you a fan of his prior to this title fight? Are you under the impression that his fights in the future will look similar to this one? Gun to your head, who wins the rematch? Does it go the distance? Separate the fighter from the performance so other posters can properly evaluate how dumb you are.

 

[CoconutHead]

Minus the factually incorrect statements, well said lol 500 strikes = lay and pray.

Pretty sure sherdog literally have no clue what the term lay and pray means anymore.

The only lay and pray was done by DDP. Laying on his back and praying he doesn't get finished.

And 470 of those strikes were were ....don't stand me up st

His swollen face and busted up lip says otherwise.

Next time do something to change the course of the fight. Other fighters don't let shit like that happen hence why the fights don't end up being boring. Khamzat was working. What was DDP doing?

That's the best his face has looked at the end of a fight in ages. And may of those 470 of those strikes were 'don't stand me up' strikes

 

[chinarice]

And 470 of those strikes were were ....don't stand me up st

That's the best his face has looked at the end of a fight in ages. And may of those 470 of those strikes were 'don't stand me up' strikes

Good for him. He also did absolutely nothing to Khamzat

 

[CatchnShoot]

If you are SOOOOO dominant, and a superior fighter, you MUST do damage.

Nobody pays to see Khamzat's blanket impression. That fight was pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. There is no champion atm.



I say this as a fan of Khamzat. He's generally a very exciting fighter.... Buy for a prizefight THAT was dogshit.

 

[MadTitan]

I don't mind what Khamzat did. Biggest fight of his life, lotsa money on the line. Secure the win, worry about being entertaining another time. No mainstream sport requires players and teams to put on a show and take unnecessary risk while beating a worldclass opponent and winning a friggin world championship, like that isn't hard enough in itself. It's kind of an unfair and unrealistic demand.

Excellent point. I think that’s largely because other sports have a stronger built in audience. Most people have teams they support (hometown, alma mater, etc), and they root for those teams to win at all costs (even in the most boring manner).

 

[MadTitan]

I keep seeing this massive cognitive dissonance on these forums from Khamzat fans, so I want to make this point crystal clear:

1) Khamzat is perfectly within his rights in the current rules to lay and pray to a boring win, if DDP can't stop him.
2) However, it is still his fault the fight was boring, because he completely controlled the fight and refused to take risks to finish it.

This is a CLASSIC example of "You are free to make whatever choices you want, but you are not free from the consequences of your actions." Anyone that thinks otherwise is suffering from cognitive dissonance, because they don't want the boring fight to be Khamzat's fault.

Nope, the blame is 50/50. You’re right about Khamzat, but DDP was playing very defensive. Once you lose the first 3 rounds, you know you need a finish. A defensive approach can’t possibly benefit you at that point. If a guy remains defensive in later rounds, and refuses to take chances because he doesn’t want to get finished, he is also responsible for the fight being boring.

 

[Lord Pyjamas]

Cry me a fucking river!
I wanted him to lose but only the judges bad standups against him got me pissed off.
It just is what it is!