What I did not Appreciate about Khamzat's Victory, and is it a problem?

[Captain Herb]

I mean it was like 50-41 lmao. What more could he do outside of a finish. He almost got the finish in round 3. That was a dominant round.

It was like some of GSPs title defenses. Not always posturing up to deliver heavy strikes but still a complete mauling. Showed a lot of maturity on khamzat to not blow his wad and I was very impressed.

It's not impressive and it has no place in human cockfighting

 

[helltoupee]

It's not impressive and it has no place in human cockfighting

Because the world revolves around you and what you find "impressive".

Protip: Don't like Khamzat? Don't watch. Simple as that.

 

[Captain Herb]

Because the world revolves around you and what you find "impressive".

Protip: Don't like Khamzat? Don't watch. Simple as that.

I think Khazmat's fine as long as he wants to finish fights. If he wants to put on a useless grappling clinic for 25 minutes as a main event then he can go fuck himself and so can you.

 

[wrb]

Why should Khamzat care about what anyone thinks he should of done to win the fight instead of what he did to win the fight? He is now "officially legit" with a paper trail and everything which would of been debatable , by the same people questioning his performance after the win.

Here is what I would of said before that fight:

1. Razor close Burns fight which you need to could the actual strikes in slowmo to really know who won the 3rd but they both did amazing.
2. Huge weight miss and ignored the weird high five to get Kevin on the ground and then diapered for a year.
3. Weird 2,3 rounds verse an old Usman BUT he said he had a broken hand so..???
4. Movie like performance against Rob but then Rob said he has "loose teeth" and that would of happened even if his wife squeezed his face.

All I can say now:

5. DDP: Total domination which showed his endurance and his ability to follow the game plan and did not take any damage plus made all the past performances irrelevant to critics plus completely destroyed his opponents persona and placed the image of DDP laying on the mat wiggling like a a helpless fish for 25 minutes in everyones head.

 

[Chama]

Luke Thomas being an idiot as usual. It's amazing how much this guy can double down on being wrong. He's like the MMA version of Pirate Software. Completely arrogant and full of himself.

This guy smells his own farts.

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[CoconutHead]

If you watched the video Luke said the opportunities weren't there because Bores never postured up to allow himself effective gnp or moved into a position to attempt a serious submission. Instead he just laid chest to chest to maintain control for control's sake--which, by the rules, should not win fights.

"Bores"- Good one

 

[Alpha_T83]

Dana Bot Detected

Nah I hate Dana. I make fun of pink goof all the time.

I used to like Luke Thomas a long time ago. He used to be more of an actual journalist. Now he's more of a South Park character that smells his own farts and can't ever be wrong.

 

[GoWokeGoBroke]

What a coincidence the fight with the biggest stakes is when khamz take least amount of risks. I’m not one who blames him either .

The stakes only get bigger from here on out. His next fight will be very very telling. It’s all about keeping the belt. The pressure is different . You aren’t on the come up being flashy with finishes against lesser opponents. You are a made man and will do whatever to stay a made man even boring the fans.

I get both sides. Very intrigued on his next fight. He may be totally fine with out classing his opponent and stacking W’s then risking going for some finishes. Maybe not.

The next fight will tell us everything. If he’s steam rolling his opponent yet not really looking to finish we’ll know.

I can’t blame em either way. Not many get to be belt holders. It’s usually a once in a lifetime moment so you tend to be less risky.

 

[fzoid4454]

What makes the crucifix a dominant position is that it's a great position for doing damage and breaking arms. If you're not going to try to do any damage or break an arm, just about any position is better for maintaining control, unless, of course, your opponent isn't bothering to try to escape control.

The imperative to "improve position" isn't about maintaining control, it's working towards a possible finish. If I sit in someone's guard, with their arms nullified, and sit there like that, I'll eventually rightfully be stood up when I don't improve my position. Working to a version of mount where potentially finishing or damaging attacks are possible wouild be improving the position, right? So it seems like maybe we're using the same term, but talking about two different views on what that means.

 

[Tweak896]

Why should Khamzat care about what anyone thinks he should of done to win the fight instead of what he did to win the fight? He is now "officially legit" with a paper trail and everything which would of been debatable , by the same people questioning his performance after the win.

Here is what I would of said before that fight:

1. Razor close Burns fight which you need to could the actual strikes in slowmo to really know who won the 3rd but they both did amazing.
2. Huge weight miss and ignored the weird high five to get Kevin on the ground and then diapered for a year.
3. Weird 2,3 rounds verse an old Usman BUT he said he had a broken hand so..???
4. Movie like performance against Rob but then Rob said he has "loose teeth" and that would of happened even if his wife squeezed his face.

All I can say now:

5. DDP: Total domination which showed his endurance and his ability to follow the game plan and did not take any damage plus made all the past performances irrelevant to critics plus completely destroyed his opponents persona and placed the image of DDP laying on the mat wiggling like a a helpless fish for 25 minutes in everyones head.

Yeah before DDP, you heard nothing but him having 1 round cardio. He proved all doubters, gave them the answer they didn't want to hear. Prior everyone acted like he has no choice but to bull charge and dump his whole gas in the first round.

Honestly was annoying to hear how essentially everyone who doubted him thought if you survived round 1, he turns into a punching back the rest of the fight. When I brought up that he could do what he did against Whittaker 5 rounds, I was laughed at. My point was he can be patient and wait for the finish or grind it out on top. He was less forceful than other fights.

No idea what they are going to say now. I've heard hints that "he's using PEDs to get cardio". Frustrating how hated the dude is by some people, the same people who said he needs to prove more to earn a titleshot for 4 years.

 

[JBJ was here]

The imperative to "improve position" isn't about maintaining control, it's working towards a possible finish. If I sit in someone's guard, with their arms nullified, and sit there like that, I'll eventually rightfully be stood up when I don't improve my position. Working to a version of mount where potentially finishing or damaging attacks are possible wouild be improving the position, right? So it seems like maybe we're using the same term, but talking about two different views on what that means.

I don't think we're disagreeing at all, just looking at the question of position/control from a slightly different angle. Basically there are four things you can reasonably do from a position of control:

1. Try to finish the fight,
2. Try to maintain control (and hopefully use your weight to gas your opponent),
3. Try to change to a position where it's either easier to finish the fight or easier to maintain control,
4. Give up control for some other advantage.

Excepting back control, there's generally a significant trade-off between how easy it is to finish from a position of control and how easy it is to maintain control and gas your opponent in that position. A dominant position that a fighter isn't trying to get a finish from is an escape waiting to happen. Positional control is a secondary scoring factor, but it's still a factor, so moving from a more-to-less dominant position to make it easier to maintain control makes sense when a fighter isn't looking for a finish. Of course, mostly fighters should be looking for a finish and making use of those dominant positions.

It was weird seeing Khamzat on top, in the crucifix throwing nothing but repeated short arm punches to the side of DDP's head when his head was safely tucked and the punches had no chance of doing any non-trivial damage. Why didn't he throw elbows, hunt for a kimura, or retreat to a position where a little sweat on the arms and some hip action from DDP wouldn't lose control? Because DDP wasn't trying to escape at all, which was even more weird.

 

[fzoid4454]

I don't think we're disagreeing at all, just looking at the question of position/control from a slightly different angle. Basically there are four things you can reasonably do from a position of control:

1. Try to finish the fight,
2. Try to maintain control (and hopefully use your weight to gas your opponent),
3. Try to change to a position where it's either easier to finish the fight or easier to maintain control,
4. Give up control for some other advantage.

Excepting back control, there's generally a significant trade-off between how easy it is to finish from a position of control and how easy it is to maintain control and gas your opponent in that position. A dominant position that a fighter isn't trying to get a finish from is an escape waiting to happen. Positional control is a secondary scoring factor, but it's still a factor, so moving from a more-to-less dominant position to make it easier to maintain control makes sense when a fighter isn't looking for a finish. Of course, mostly fighters should be looking for a finish and making use of those dominant positions.

It was weird seeing Khamzat on top, in the crucifix throwing nothing but repeated short arm punches to the side of DDP's head when his head was safely tucked and the punches had no chance of doing any non-trivial damage. Why didn't he throw elbows, hunt for a kimura, or retreat to a position where a little sweat on the arms and some hip action from DDP wouldn't lose control? Because DDP wasn't trying to escape at all, which was even more weird.

Sounds like we're on the same page.