Khamzat's insane cardio; he could of gone 10 rounds, DDP was exhausted

[The_Renaissance]

I was stunned by his cardio, ridiculous.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

That is exactly what DDP was expected to be able to do based on the skills he has shown at the championship level. It is nearly impossible to find anyone capable of maintaining a higher fighting pace than DDP.

Could you also define what you mean by proper resistance on the ground? Resistance on the ground, proper or not, doesn't count for much of anything in MMA, some would even call it futile.

The problem that needs to be solved is the techniques everyone has learned to defend against American wrestling don't work against the Dagestani Mountain wrestling style.

You probably saw DDP trying to sprawl. That technique is designed to stop American wrestling by keeping them off your hips. You may have also noticed Khamzat nearly always wrapped his arms around DDP above the waist so even when he sprawled he still was able to get the control he wanted.

My point is whether it is Khabib, Islam, Khamzat, Ankalaev, the sport hasn't developed the techniques to counter this style yet so there is a goldmine awaiting for the coach that figures it out.

This fight wasn't at a high pace because DDP's wrestling simply wasn't good enough to force that high pace AND because Khamzat was smart enough to not go his usual pace against him. So he kinda cruised to a victory in this one. I truly feel if Khamzat fought his usual pace hunting for a finish from the start DDP would've had a good chance in later rounds. It was just a smart gameplan by Khamzat's team to not sprint out of the gates.

I am actually interested in seeing a guy like RDR against Khamzat because it's such a weird stylistic matchup.

Don't disagree about fighters having to figure out how to anti-wrestle the Dagestani wrestling style though. Volk did it the best against Islam in their first fight.

 

[Cartiac]

I do think it's difficult to teach their style in terms of offense. You really do need decades of experience, starting from a young age. But offense is always more difficult to teach than defense, as it is with BJJ. I think their style will be figured out in terms of ways to negate their chain wrestling and stand up more efficiently.

Yea, but just like it took the Gracies decades of experience starting from a young age to create BJJ, fighters today learn it so quickly that it really doesn't exist anymore at the top levels of MMA.

It is not like these guys have created some kind of wildly new techniques, it is essentially just judo and Greco Roman style techniques using upper leverages to flip opponents instead of the lower body.

 

[Alpha_T83]

I was stunned by his cardio, ridiculous.

Khamzat had improved his cardio for sure, which I find extremely suspicious since he was associated with TJ Dillashaw and his KNOWN EPO hookup during this fight camp.

With that said, he still clearly gassed in round 5 and DDP had his moments in the 5th round.

 

[Cartiac]

This fight wasn't at a high pace because DDP's wrestling simply wasn't good enough to force that high pace AND because Khamzat was smart enough to not go his usual pace against him. So he kinda cruised to a victory in this one. I truly feel if Khamzat fought his usual pace hunting for a finish from the start DDP would've had a good chance in later rounds. It was just a smart gameplan by Khamzat's team to not sprint out of the gates.

but don't you think maybe DDP should have thought at some point that his aggressive, high paced style was not the right strategy against this opponent and tried something else?

Khamzat actually did start as expected just like he always does with an immediate, explosive takedown attempt. I was surprised how easily he got it and you make a very great point about him not following that up going for a finish as he has always done was very critical as failing to get it would have likely resulted in a completely different fight.

I am actually interested in seeing a guy like RDR against Khamzat because it's such a weird stylistic matchup.

Don't disagree about fighters having to figure out how to anti-wrestle the Dagestani wrestling style though. Volk did it the best against Islam in their first fight.

yea, I don't know how well it would go but I would much prefer to see a new name like RDR get a shot over recycling the same guys yet again. If not RDR, I think Fluffy would good show of it.

Whoever it is I wouldn't exactly recommend they look at Volk as a training model though. Volk had the Aussie government make a last minute change to the schedule to significantly reduce the rehydration period which clearly put Islam in a miserable state that US commissions would probably not have even allowed him to fight in, but still soundly beat Volk.

If they were to meet at 170 Islam would beat Khamzat too. The wrestling would be a wash and Islam would win the striking.

 

[Outrider1981]

DDP looked totally fine and even got the Mount for a Short amount of time at the end. I had the feeling he wanted to have another 3 rounds.

 

[fortheo]

DDP looked fine at the end cardio wise

Round 5 was the best. Honestly, I get all the criticism of him as his wrestling looked shit, but he looked mentally unbreakable out there and didn't seemed gassed at all. He was just out skilled on the mat by a large margin.

 

[Cartiac]

Round 5 was the best. Honestly, I get all the criticism of him as his wrestling looked shit, but he looked mentally unbreakable out there and didn't seemed gassed at all. He was just out skilled on the mat by a large margin.

Definitely wouldn't say DDP looked mentally unbreakable, in fact it looked like Khamzat broke him mentally very early. I do agree that he was never gassed at all or even tired, so if he was not mentally broken, I find it very hard to explain why he didn't seem to even try to fight his way back to his feet or make any adjustments the entire fight.

DDP made a comment after the fight that he never felt Khamzat's strength because Khamzat was all technique. Given all the talk about Khamzat's strength, I think DDP expected that to be a big factor in this fight and believed he could at least hold his own in that department, but when he realized very early that this had nothing to do with strength and he was facing technique he was completely unprepared to match, he resigned his fate and just wanted it to be over.

 

[FrappeDuRocma]

Khamzat drained all the energy from the crowd too.

You will come through it, after a bit of time, don't worry.

 

[FrappeDuRocma]

Did you watch the fight? Did you watch the 5th round? DDP was the one with extra energy and actually giving himself chances in the 5th round.

If that fight goes 10 rounds, Khamzat loses guaranteed.

If Khamzat had his hands attached behind his back, DDP would have killed him.

 

[Tweak896]

Funny watching the mental gymnastics here. I like the new narrative that Khamzat is so boring. Probably from the same people who were saying how he spends his energy too quick and that was his biggest flaw.

Khamzat clearly will never win fans over. 1st round finishes or decisions. Nevermind their fighter didn't fight the whole fight.

 

[Prince Nephilim]

Someone said leading up to the fight that an Idea of Khazmat going 5 rounds at the same pace he puts on the first round would be the scariest fighter for anyone to face

 

[fortheo]

Definitely wouldn't say DDP looked mentally unbreakable, in fact it looked like Khamzat broke him mentally very early. I do agree that he was never gassed at all or even tired, so if he was not mentally broken, I find it very hard to explain why he didn't seem to even try to fight his way back to his feet or make any adjustments the entire fight.

DDP made a comment after the fight that he never felt Khamzat's strength because Khamzat was all technique. Given all the talk about Khamzat's strength, I think DDP expected that to be a big factor in this fight and believed he could at least hold his own in that department, but when he realized very early that this had nothing to do with strength and he was facing technique he was completely unprepared to match, he resigned his fate and just wanted it to be over.

He was not skilled enough, it was pretty clear. I don't see being out skilled as a mental weakness in a fight. When I'm talking about mentally unbreakable, I'm talking about the will to win -- the guy was smiling for most of that fight and came out every round asking for more ass kicking lol and he fought till the final bell. 99 percent of fighters would have broken and given away a sub to chimaev after ten minutes of that pressure, let alone 24 minutes of it. A mentally broke fighter isn't surviving 4 rounds of that then coming out for the 5th round with a smile and managing to get full mount and trying to choke chimaev out in the final round.

He was not mentally broke at all -- he was out skilled on the mats.

 

[Bork Neslar]

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Methodically? He did the only thing he knows. He's Ronda rousey 2.0. Everyone he gets hit he's wobbled. The smile is for bravado. Don't be stupid.

In this fight Khamzhat would get a takedown in the first 15 seconds of every round, pass guard, then work to a crucifix. He did this for 5 rounds straight and controlled DDP the entire time. It's literally the definition of methodical how he fought this fight.

The funny thing was DDP smiling at the end of round 1/2/3 like he thought he knew something (i.e. he was gassing Khamzhat by being out-grappled) but by round 4 that smile was gone and round 5 he looked super depressed.

 

[Poirierfan]

Well he drained his balls in DDP's ass multiple times he was so dominant I give you that.

Round 4 and 5 Khamzat looked like he'd just completed a mild work out.

If that impressed you, watch RoboCop 1 and 2, you'll be amazed.

 

[SuperAlly]

Funny watching the mental gymnastics here. I like the new narrative that Khamzat is so boring. Probably from the same people who were saying how he spends his energy too quick and that was his biggest flaw.

Khamzat clearly will never win fans over. 1st round finishes or decisions. Nevermind their fighter didn't fight the whole fight.

Honestly a tonne of shit posts from you the past 48 hours

Easy to defeat arguments if you just create strawmen

There is no new narrative Khamzat is boring. There is an accurate evaluation of this one fight last night being boring. That's it.

But go ahead, invent things people arent saying and then defeat those made up arguments

 

[kuroro]

Its not that, its that he controlled the pace. He made DDP work and carry his weight so it became like another training gym session.
We have seen him gas when he is made to really fight, this doesnt answer those questions.

you think controlling a beast like ddp for five rounds doesn't prove his cardio come the fuck on

 

[kuroro]

Honestly a tonne of shit posts from you the past 48 hours

Easy to defeat arguments if you just create strawmen

There is no new narrative Khamzat is boring. There is an accurate evaluation of this one fight last night being boring. That's it.

But go ahead, invent things people arent saying and then defeat those made up arguments

lmao what you say is neither accurate nor suffices as "evaluation" by any rational standard. mma will never be more than a sideshow because of the ultra casualized culture of its fans. it's like the kids running the daycare.

 

[Tweak896]

Honestly a tonne of shit posts from you the past 48 hours

Easy to defeat arguments if you just create strawmen

There is no new narrative Khamzat is boring. There is an accurate evaluation of this one fight last night being boring. That's it.

But go ahead, invent things people arent saying and then defeat those made up arguments

Sorry all the DDP fan boys went in full cope mode and decided to go on the offense and call Khamzat boring rather than ask what DDP did in that fight was exciting? C'mon.

I'm shit posting a little bit, but I deserve it for arguing people about Khamzat for 5 years straight. Let me rub it in a little bit, probably move on by Monday.