It was Khamzat's fault the fight was boring, and that's OK if he only cares about winning

[chinarice]

I mean, dricus tried both options though? He did give khamzat's his back plenty to try to get up lol, and the fight still was what it was. Khamzat's just rode him from the body lock at that point.

For what it's worth, I don't blame either guy for the boring fight. If I did, I'd say it was a team effort from both. Some fights just turn out that way.

lol he clearly punched Dricus in the face a bunch when he had his back and threatened locking in chokes repeatedly.

This "He just rode on his back" is literal bullshit

 

[fortheo]

I might be in the minority but I think it’s on the bottom fighter to take the risk to get up and expose themselves to a bad position or submission. A lot of grappling depends on forcing your opponent to take a risk to escape. And that falls on the bottom fighter in my opinion, or else risk being stuck and losing.

He was stuck in crucifix for like 8 minutes lol, the other times he did take risks and gave up his back, then khamzat's just rode him from the body lock. Dricus even tried to roll for a leg and Granby roll at some point.

The fight just was what it was. Both guys were in there. I dont see the need to blame either. They made that fight together lol.

 

[chinarice]

Dricus was put in a crucifix multiple times and had his back taken multiple times and Khamzat still chose to do fuck all.

I'm sure he'd have been fine no matter what position he was in because Khamzat wasn't looking for a finish.

You believe whatever reality you want but when Khamzat was on his back, he was punching Dricus and looking for chokes that Dricus kept defending but hey, it's way more fun to just omit parts of the fight to suit a narrative.

 

[fortheo]

lol he clearly punched Dricus in the face a bunch when he had his back and threatened locking in chokes repeatedly.

But people still found him nowhere close to doing big damage or getting a finish. People found it boring. Like I said, it's just the way the fight was between the two of them. They did it together. Blaming either guy is stupid.

I'm willing to bet both of them have exciting fights next

 

[mkess101]

Dricus was put in a crucifix multiple times and had his back taken multiple times and Khamzat still chose to do fuck all.

I'm sure he'd have been fine no matter what position he was in because Khamzat wasn't looking for a finish.

And when you're LOSING the fight, the responsibility to change how it's going falls on you. This really isn't complicated.

He wouldn't have been "fine" if he'd gotten his back taken fully instead of him playing it safe on one knee just trying to stalemate in that spot and lose that way. Having a waist lock from behind without hooks in is a LOT different than actually taking someone's back. DDP cared more about not allowing his back to be taken than getting to a spot where he could initiate some offense. Which was his choice.

 

[chinarice]

But people still found him nowhere close to doing big damage or getting a finish. People found it boring. Like I said, it's just the way the fight was between the two of them. They did it together. Blaming either guy is stupid.

I'm willing to bet both of them have exciting fights next

"They did it together. Blaming either guy is stupid". This is all that needs to be said about the fight. All the other shit being said is mostly dumb and biased.

 

[markg171]

Every time he gave his back, Khamzat was punching his face and grabbing at his neck. You guys even watch the fight or just get mad the whole time?

You believe whatever reality you want but when Khamzat was on his back, he was punching Dricus and looking for chokes that Dricus kept defending but hey, it's way more fun to just omit parts of the fight to suit a narrative.

And yet none of these "bad" positions led to more significant strikes or submission attempts like they should because Khamzat never upped the intensity when he had them.

Hence the problem with your guys cope.

 

[chinarice]

And yet none of these "bad" positions led to more significant strikes or submission attempts like they should because Khamzat never upped the intensity when he had them.

Hence the problem with your guys cope.

I have nothing to cope with. You guys are literally the ones being ridiculous and I think it's quite hilarious

 

[sdpdude9]

The fight just was what it was. Both guys were in there. I dont see the need to blame either. They made that fight together lol.

That’s fair. I think both played it safe and risk averse. I just disagree with the notion that it’s on the winning fighter to take the risks for entertainment sake.

 

[philcrow]

DDP couldn't do shit because he was a fish out of water. So then it's up to Khamzat to keep position, but realize he can't really do anything to damage from that position or take a risk and try to end it, but maybe lose position. He chose to ride the clock and play it safe. It's smart, he got the win, but the fight being boring is on him.

I liked Khamzat before this. I still like Khamzat after this. But his fanboys here are enough to make you puke.

 

[fortheo]

"They did it together. Blaming either guy is stupid". This is all that needs to be said about the fight. All the other shit being said is mostly dumb and biased.

Personally, I agree with you. I don't mind hearing other opinions though. For example, I'm sure most people here hate on Luke thomas, but he's not exactly wrong here:




The issue is people attack chimaev, or they attack dricus lol. We just need to all accept that they laid an egg together. Their approaches, skillset, and tactics combined to give us a 25 minute control fest.

*edit* I watched more of Luke's opinion and he blamed ddp, too, so he is also of the same opinion as us that the fault is on both guys.

 

[markg171]

And when you're LOSING the fight, the responsibility to change how it's going falls on you. This really isn't complicated.

He wouldn't have been "fine" if he'd gotten his back taken fully instead of him playing it safe on one knee just trying to stalemate in that spot and lose that way. Having a waist lock from behind without hooks in is a LOT different than actually taking someone's back. DDP cared more about not allowing his back to be taken than getting to a spot where he could initiate some offense. Which was his choice.

I've never said Dricus wasn't playing defence.

I'm pointing out when you're in a crucifix multiple times and the guy on top doesn't land a single significant strike or kimura while you're completely defenceless that's obviously on their lack of intensity though. There's a reason why those positions are usually far more deadly and it's because the guy on top actually takes advantage of it.

None of you guys will admit that the fight would've been scored exactly the same if Khamzat just had full guard the entire time because Khamzat showed zero intensity or power behind anything he did except his TD shots. Dricus can play defence and score zero points all he wants, but that doesn't mean Khamzat gets more for his pitter patter baby shots no matter where he had Dricus.

 

[Thy]

This is nothing but cope from Khamzat haters and DDP fans. I’ve never seen such an uproar over a dominant wrestling oriented fight with no finish, as if we haven’t seen them before.

i'm not really seein much uproar. Seems like more people talkin about uproar, than any actual uproar. I'm entertained by both fighters, win or lose. Hamzat won, ddp had no answer. It happens.

 

[Lee Danger]

Minus the factually incorrect statements, well said lol 500 strikes = lay and pray.

Fitch used to do the same and none has ever disputed the term.

 

[markg171]

I have nothing to cope with. You guys are literally the ones being ridiculous and I think it's quite hilarious

It's not ridiculous to point out that it's completely unheard of to have a fight where you outstruck the guy by over 500 strikes and had 22/25 minutes of control and still only won 50-44 because of how little you did with that advantage.

Especially from a guy who up until this was known for his intensity so clearly was capable of trying harder.

 

[chinarice]

Fitch used to do the same and none has ever disputed the term.

Fitch never did any damage to anyone no matter how hard he hit them. Who did Jon Fitch beat that was on Dricus' level? The guys Fitch lay and prayed were guys khamzat would put away in 1 round without them landing a strike on him lol

 

[Lee Danger]

Lol the cope keeps coping.

It's so obvious TS and others are still butthurt their guy lost.

i'm actually scared to have a champ that fights once a year and use this tactic in order to play it safe.
eventually everyone'll root for his opponents.

 

[Lee Danger]

Fitch never did any damage to anyone

exactly, Chimaev threw 500 ground strikes and didn't do any damage...

 

[wisdom blows]

i'm not really seein much uproar. Seems like more people talkin about uproar, than any actual uproar. I'm entertained by both fighters, win or lose. Hamzat won, ddp had no answer. It happens.

Go on ufc socials, it’s crazy man lol

 

[chinarice]

exactly, Chimaev threw 500 ground strikes and didn't do any damage...

Yeah sure, no damage. Can you guys please give me the damage meters you have on your screens? Mine appears to be missing that and Dricus squinting and trying to avoid them leads me to believe they probably did hurt.