Islam Gets Destroyed at 170 | Agreed or Disagreed?

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Not to take anything away from the guys that he beat but going to war with a 35 year old Poirier who's about to retire and going 5 rounds against a FW in a fight that he arguably lost (1st Volk fight) isn't going to cut it at WW.

Respect to Islam for wanting to move up and challenge for a 2nd belt, something Khabib never had the desire to do even though he was much more dominant than Islam. Khabib also knew that it's a different game at WW.

Poirier said it himself recently that he would not move to WW after years of hinting a possible move. He said he trains with some of those guys in the gym and they're just way bigger.

Edwards is in his absolute prime right now and dispatched of Colby with ease. Was able to easily stuff Usman's takedown in their last fight. He has amazing striking.

Islam is biting off more than he can chew and gets destroyed in a fight against Edwards imho
 
Wreckless said:
Not to take anything away from the guys that he beat but going to war with a 35 year old Poirier who's about to retire and going 5 rounds against a FW in a fight that he arguably lost (1st Volk fight) isn't going to cut it at WW.

Respect to Islam for wanting to move up and challenge for a 2nd belt, something Khabib never had the desire to do even though he was much more dominant than Islam. Khabib also knew that it's a different game at WW.

Poirier said it himself recently that he would not move to WW after years of hinting a possible move. He said he trains with some of those guys in the gym and they're just way bigger.

Edwards is in his absolute prime right now and dispatched of Colby with ease. Was able to easily stuff Usman's takedown in their last fight. He has amazing striking.

Islam is biting off more than he can chew and gets destroyed in a fight against Edwards imho
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He can win or lose, such is life, but he will not destroyed. Also, he did not "arguably lose" Volk 1 - he won 4-1 and only crowd bias sways some opinion.
 
Absolutely agree, i think he could very easily go on to defend the LW title a few more times if he wanted but I see him with No place at 170. Without a size and distinct grappling advantage I think WW is full of fighters who match up with him much much better.

His skillset deals with LW division very very well. Perhaps is cardio would be much improved at WW. I'd call it an unknown at this point, but typically it's known to make it better so I dunno maybe he'd be bigger and refreshed?

I guess Im just mad I bet money on Islam to win in under 3.5 and lost. I did not expect him to make porier look so difficult. Even Charles was able to sub him in 3
 
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Wreckless said:
Didn't say he destroyed Colby. I said he dispatched of him with ease. By that I mean he won easily by completely nullifying whatever gameplan he had.

Did Islam have staph in the first Volk fight as well?
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No but he didn't have the greatest weight cut since they have less time to rehydrate over in Australia I believe. People go overboard with their criticism of his performance in that fight, Islam was doing great until those final few minutes where Volk finished stronger. Wasn't like he got 10-8'd or anything lol.

Like others have said, Islam with a minimal weight cut for a WW fight would be a very different beast.
 
I don't think there is compelling evidence to suggest that Islam gets 'destroyed' at 170.

It seems far more reasonable to predict that his size and skill set mean that he should be competitive...certainly no worse than top 10, more likely top 5, and realistically a title threat.

I don't believe how he matches up with Leon is a good barometer. Anyone has a decent chance of winning any one-off fight in an adjacent division...but to get through multiple contenders and then beat the champ is another story.
 
svmr_db said:
No but he didn't have the greatest weight cut since they have less time to rehydrate over in Australia I believe. People go overboard with their criticism of his performance in that fight, Islam was doing great until those final few minutes where Volk finished stronger. Wasn't like he got 10-8'd or anything lol.

Like others have said, Islam with a minimal weight cut for a WW fight would be a very different beast.
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I mean sure, if you're gonna use every excuse in the book anyone can make those wins look more dominant than they were lol.

Saying he will get destroyed was an exagerration on my part but I don't think he has anything for Edwards.

Belal and Shavkat are two other opponents I would favor over Islam in a fight.
 
Disagree for sure, size speed skills are all there. Leon is the only fighter right now I think is a 50 50 fight as of right now.

Maybe belal??
 
Imo Makachev lost credibility to win gold at welterweight significantly after the poirer fight.

He also has a very short period to accomplish this dream of his. After his next title defense (presumably against Arman) he would need to take off from a record setting title run at lightweight to bulk up against a division of monsters where he won't have the size advantage anymore.

Historically, only BJ Penn ever succeeded with this jump and the sport was still very new
 
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