Is there any proof Ngannou fought Gane with no ACL'S?

[Southpoor97]

I know Ngannou and his camp claimed this, and he wore a knee brace. But I have never seen evidence of this, and in the fight, he moved just fine apart from Gane making him look slow and ploddy. He blasted double legs fine too.

I see this is so commonly cited amongst fans and I just don't understand why people believe it? I have never seen any evidence of it, and it seems awfully convenient way to downplay Gane and justify Ngannou as some beast instead of Gane proving how overrated he is.

Can anybody provide proof Ngannou was genuinely injured against Gane?

I find this myth leads to that fight being completely discounted and changes peoples entire perspective on the relative abilities of Aspinall, Jones, Ngannou, and Gane. IMO it completely proves Jones and Aspinall are a level above and shows how overrated Ngannou is, but it's used as such a cop out to justify Ngannou looking closely matched with a guy Jones dominated.

 

[Hotora86]

Apart from himself, his coach, his manager etc all saying the same thing, what kid of proof would You want? A medical record? Fighters are not obliged to provide evidence to the public.

Here's what AI said:

There are no publicly available medical records confirming Francis Ngannou’s ACL injury before UFC 270. However, multiple credible sources and firsthand statements strongly support the claim:

• Ngannou stated at the post-fight press conference that he had a grade 3 MCL tear, ACL damage, and MPFL damage, sustained 25 days before the fight. He said doctors advised against fighting due to the risk of irreversible damage [1].
• His manager, Marquel Martin, confirmed to ESPN that Ngannou would undergo surgery for the injuries [2].
• Dr. David Abbasi, a sports medicine physician, analyzed the injury and its impact on Ngannou’s performance, confirming the plausibility of the claims[3].

While these sources are not official medical documents, they come from direct interviews, medical professionals, and Ngannou’s own team, making them highly credible.

References
[1] Francis Ngannou Faced Potentially ‘Irreversible’ Damage Fighting on ...
[2] Francis Ngannou to Undergo Surgery on Knee Injury After Defending Title ...
[3] UFC 270: Francis Ngannou MCL and ACL injury: Dr. David Abbasi explains ...

 

[Southpoor97]

So no proof except claims from Ngannou's team which are self-serving? That can't be evidence as they have a vested interest to lie to protect Francis.

Thanks for the Chat GPT response though, I do appreciate your input, but none of that is evidence.

I guess I am looking for independent doctor statements or scans from before or just after the fight proving it was there.

All the stuff you listed is just, people talking.

I disagree that them coming from Ngannou's team make them credible, to me that's what makes them not credible, and if they came from medical professionals that would help, but they are from ngannou or his team CLAIMING medical professionals said something.

 

[Aurelian]

He had knee surgery after the fight from everything I can see without doing a deep dive into the validity of the multitude of sources. There isn't any reason to do that unless there was a legit injury.

But I'm curious how Aspinall got shoehorned into the OP. He hasn't fought any of the people you mentioned so far.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

even if he didn't have bad knees, it doesn't make a difference, Gane is stylistically a bad match up for Ngannou's style of striking.

 

[thelovacluka]

Bro, how pathetic you are? He HAD SURGERY and a long layoff after. Jesus Christ

 

[spinup]

Will TS also ask for a proof that Aspinall got a knee injury when he lost to Blaydes? Hey, maybe he just quit after eating 2 jabs.
We will never know unless we get a certified copy of his confidential medical report.

So no proof except claims from Ngannou's team which are self-serving? That can't be evidence as they have a vested interest to lie to protect Francis.

Protect Francis from what exactly? Him beating a top undefeated contender who was the betting favourite? Him showing his ability to wrestle and go 5 rounds against a guy known to have excellent cardio?

Get a grip dude, that's embarassing.

 

[SuperAlly]

I know Ngannou and his camp claimed this, and he wore a knee brace. But I have never seen evidence of this, and in the fight, he moved just fine apart from Gane making him look slow and ploddy. He blasted double legs fine too.

I see this is so commonly cited amongst fans and I just don't understand why people believe it? I have never seen any evidence of it, and it seems awfully convenient way to downplay Gane and justify Ngannou as some beast instead of Gane proving how overrated he is.

Can anybody provide proof Ngannou was genuinely injured against Gane?

I find this myth leads to that fight being completely discounted and changes peoples entire perspective on the relative abilities of Aspinall, Jones, Ngannou, and Gane. IMO it completely proves Jones and Aspinall are a level above and shows how overrated Ngannou is, but it's used as such a cop out to justify Ngannou looking closely matched with a guy Jones dominated.

 

[SuperAlly]

People realise that medical records typically arent publicly available right?

Like it's crazy we have to explain that to adult humans and the all knowledgeable AI overlords.

 

[haj02]

No there isn't but it was gobbled up by the Francis worship cult that existed at that time. The double leg (pure power) he hit would have been even harder than striking with no knees. It was a god awful lay and pray performance that would have been condemned had anyone else performed that way at the time. Single digit strikes with ground control should not win rounds.

 

[surgeyou1]

No there isn't but it was gobbled up by the Francis worship cult that existed at that time. The double leg (pure power) he hit would have been even harder than striking with no knees. It was a god awful lay and pray performance that would have been condemned had anyone else performed that way at the time. Single digit strikes with ground control should not win rounds.

MCL injury affects lateral movement a lot. He was clearly limited. Just because Gane has dogshit takedown defense doesn't change that.

 

[haj02]

MCL injury affects lateral movement a lot. He was clearly limited. Just because Gane has dogshit takedown defense doesn't change that.

Grade 3 is a complete tear that makes standing hard without a brace, dude. Along with apparent acl and mpfl damage - there is no way anyone shoots in for a takedown and hits it on even a decently athletic person with no training in that state (remember this was a few rounds in as well). He had bad knees that night for sure but completely and utterly exaggerated them.

 

[Humongo]

Bro, how pathetic you are? He HAD SURGERY and a long layoff after. Jesus Christ

Proof that he had surgery?

 

[SuperAlly]

Grade 3 is a complete tear that makes standing hard without a brace, dude. Along with apparent acl and mpfl damage - there is no way anyone shoots in for a takedown and hits it on even a decently athletic person with no training in that state (remember this was a few rounds in as well). He had bad knees that night for sure but completely and utterly exaggerated them.

Marvin Andrews tore his ACL and was told he could never play football again without an OP

Didn't have OP, carries on playing at same level

Was just at a training camp with 100m sprinters who have torn ACLs and run sub 10

There is no absolutes when it comes to these injuries

 

[Captain Herb]

I guess I am looking for independent doctor statements

Doctors can't make 'independent' statements about the health of their patient. You're just going to have to take his word for it--or not

 

[Dillydilly]

Proof that he had surgery?

https://www.mmafighting.com/2022/2/11/22928411/dana-white-meets-with-francis-ngannou-unsure-of-heavyweight-title-status

White confirmed Ngannou will need surgery to repair his knee. As to whether the promotion puts up an interim title, as it did when the champ’s scheduling issues led to a fight between Gane and Derrick Lewis at UFC 265, the UFC exec was less sure.

“I don’t know yet,” White said. “We’ll see how it plays out.”





So Dana confirmed he needed surgery, Francis post video after surgery with Doctors name, and he rehabs at UFC performance institute.


If it was fake Dana would've said something by now.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

I know Ngannou and his camp claimed this, and he wore a knee brace. But I have never seen evidence of this, and in the fight, he moved just fine apart from Gane making him look slow and ploddy. He blasted double legs fine too.

I see this is so commonly cited amongst fans and I just don't understand why people believe it? I have never seen any evidence of it, and it seems awfully convenient way to downplay Gane and justify Ngannou as some beast instead of Gane proving how overrated he is.

Can anybody provide proof Ngannou was genuinely injured against Gane?

I find this myth leads to that fight being completely discounted and changes peoples entire perspective on the relative abilities of Aspinall, Jones, Ngannou, and Gane. IMO it completely proves Jones and Aspinall are a level above and shows how overrated Ngannou is, but it's used as such a cop out to justify Ngannou looking closely matched with a guy Jones dominated.

The only fact is Francis wasted his prime sitting out, now he is irrelevant

 

[svmr_db]

He broke his back too and how dare you question it

 

[chinarice]

So no proof except claims from Ngannou's team which are self-serving? That can't be evidence as they have a vested interest to lie to protect Francis.

Thanks for the Chat GPT response though, I do appreciate your input, but none of that is evidence.

I guess I am looking for independent doctor statements or scans from before or just after the fight proving it was there.

All the stuff you listed is just, people talking.

I disagree that them coming from Ngannou's team make them credible, to me that's what makes them not credible, and if they came from medical professionals that would help, but they are from ngannou or his team CLAIMING medical professionals said something.

Which fighter had an injury that had proof? I'll wait. I can use this same logic for anyone you feel like posting and I will just say nope, not enough.

Every fighter who ever said they were injured was lying. There, you can now rest and don't need to worry about this type of thing anymore.

 

[SamuraiBro]

I’m an Ngannou hater and even for me this is a stretch.