Is the British influence in UFC that big?

[Luffy]

I mean, JJ said he would leave the HW belt if they wanted, he did not even say that Tom Aspinall was inferior to him in terms of fighting odds, if anything he recognized Aspinall as a big challenge. It'd be one thing if he said "I'd easily beat Tom Aspinall, but I want to fight Alex because he is way better than Tom Aspinall" or if he insisted he'd keep the HW belt but not give Aspinall a shot, only Alex Pereira, then retire. Ok.

But if he willingly gives up the belt, Tom would have a moral victory, ppl could say JJ ducked him, and JJ even said "ok, call me a duck, a chicken, I can easily give up the belt"... He isn't forced to fight in a division if he returns the belt. GSP has done that too. He isn't forced to give Tom a chance.

Now, if he wants a super fight against Alex Pereira and so does Alex Pereira, why would that be a problem, if Alex Pereira successfully defends his belt vs Ankalaev? He wouldn't be holding the belt hostage, he said he would go down to LHW.

But there's been a pressure to the point Dana said he is forced to fight Aspinall or vacate the title. I mean, can he do it? Alex Pereira wants the fight as well, if Alex Pereira did not want it, then ok, they'd have a point because JJ would be firing for a title shot without the champion willing to do it while he gave up the HW class which he had chosen. But since Alex wants it, I don't know why there is also this pressure for him to fight there at HW. If the champions does not decide to unify, he is stripped of the belt, ok, which JJ said ok. But why not be allowed to fight a super fight vs Alex if Alex wants it too and defeats Ankalaev, thus cleaning the division?

Either the British market has a strong hold on the UFC since, in all fairness, Tom doesn't want the belt only and doesn't want a moral victory over JJ, Tom Aspinall kinda needs that fight because of both the possibility of the best accomplishment of his career and also because of the huge money he would get with that fight, while if JJ left, his fights wouldn't give him even close to the amount of money he would get fighting JJ. So in a way, Aspinall needs Jon Jones there badly, he wants that JJ says there badly because of, even if he loses, which is also a very possible outcome, he'd be guaranteed a huge payment with the stakes not being THAT big --- oh well, I lost to the GOAT after all...

 

[Shaolin Alan]

 

[fedorthegoat777]

I mean, JJ said he would leave the HW belt if they wanted, he did not even say that Tom Aspinall was inferior to him in terms of fighting odds, if anything he recognized Aspinall as a big challenge. It'd be one thing if he said "I'd easily beat Tom Aspinall, but I want to fight Alex because he is way better than Tom Aspinall" or if he insisted he'd keep the HW belt but not give Aspinall a shot, only Alex Pereira, then retire. Ok.

But if he willingly gives up the belt, Tom would have a moral victory, ppl could say JJ ducked him, and JJ even said "ok, call me a duck, a chicken, I can easily give up the belt"... He isn't forced to fight in a division if he returns the belt. GSP has done that too. He isn't forced to give Tom a chance.

Now, if he wants a super fight against Alex Pereira and so does Alex Pereira, why would that be a problem, if Alex Pereira successfully defends his belt vs Ankalaev? He wouldn't be holding the belt hostage, he said he would go down to LHW.

But there's been a pressure to the point Dana said he is forced to fight Aspinall or vacate the title. I mean, can he do it? Alex Pereira wants the fight as well, if Alex Pereira did not want it, then ok, they'd have a point because JJ would be firing for a title shot without the champion willing to do it while he gave up the HW class which he had chosen. But since Alex wants it, I don't know why there is also this pressure for him to fight there at HW. If the champions does not decide to unify, he is stripped of the belt, ok, which JJ said ok. But why not be allowed to fight a super fight vs Alex if Alex wants it too and defeats Ankalaev, thus cleaning the division?

Either the British market has a strong hold on the UFC since, in all fairness, Tom doesn't want the belt only and doesn't want a moral victory over JJ, Tom Aspinall kinda needs that fight because of both the possibility of the best accomplishment of his career and also because of the huge money he would get with that fight, while if JJ left, his fights wouldn't give him even close to the amount of money he would get fighting JJ. So in a way, Aspinall needs Jon Jones there badly, he wants that JJ says there badly because of, even if he loses, which is also a very possible outcome, he'd be guaranteed a huge payment with the stakes not being THAT big --- oh well, I lost to the GOAT after all...

Jon can just say he is returning to reclaim his crown and sit on the throne of the LHW division.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

JJ literally said that he understand why people want him to fight Tom. He's younger. Faster. Heavier.

Then he said that Alex is collecting titles and that intrigues/motivates him the most. He wants to be that guy who beats no crazy weight cut Alex.

 

[Sweater of AV]

 

[Luffy]

Didn't get the meaning of the image.

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

I wish we could all collectively just stop discussing it ad nauseum. Lots of posters here and fans in real life acted like they were disgusted with the Jon Stipe fight, and then proceeded to shit talk the whole event every day for months in the lead up.

And then, we all watched it. We all watched it not even 24 hrs after the Tyson Paul bout, and like the gluttons for punishment we are, we all scrambled back here to rabble rabble about the results.

I think we need to chill out with the 24/7 fixation on Jon/Tom, there's plenty of mma to look forward to regardless of what happens there.

Are we really just going to keep making Jon/Tom threads every day from now til the day it happens (or it doesn't)?
Lol the topic has been thoroughly covered for the time being, and we'll all watch whatever the ufc does next anyway.

 

[bobafett]

I mean, I can’t speak for all mma fans, but most of us like to see the best fight the best

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

Didn't get the meaning of the image.

He is a Britt.

 

[David Street]

When that Drama chick asked him to pick fighters on his side to fight aliens he picked Francis Ngannou and a white guy Tom Aspinall so he knows these guys are tough. He just wants more money for these tough fights as thinking retirement soon.

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

I mean, I can’t speak for all mma fans, but most of us like to see the best fight the best

Agree, but to be fair we usually do get that, for the most part. More often than not, the big fights get made and we all tune in every weekend and have been for years.
But there's always gonna be fights that just don't come together.
GSP Silva, Khabib Tony, even Randy Fedor and now the Francis/Tom/Jon 3 way dance could potentially end up on that list.
It's a shame, for sure. But it's not all that abnormal either, especially for most of us who've been watching quasi religiously for 20 years.

 

[bobafett]

Agree, but to be fair we usually do get that, for the most part. More often than not, the big fights get made and we all tune in every weekend and have been for years.
But there's always gonna be fights that just don't come together.
GSP Silva, Khabib Tony, even Randy Fedor and now the Francis/Tom/Jon 3 way dance could potentially end up on that list.
It's a shame, for sure. But it's not all that abnormal either, especially for most of us who've been watching quasi religiously for 20 years.

I get that, wasn’t trying to complain really just tried to explain why people want jones to fight Aspinall. I wouldn’t blame jones for avoiding the fight, he’s getting old and wants to protect his legacy, but I’m just a selfish bastard who wants to see the questions answered

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

I think people want to see Jon legitimise his HW run by actually beating the number 1 HW in the world. 4 years of fuckery and no claim to being the best HW while holding onto the belt.

There where 2 HW fights for Jon that fans actually cared about and he avoided both.

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

I get that, wasn’t trying to complain really just tried to explain why people want jones to fight Aspinall. I wouldn’t blame jones for avoiding the fight, he’s getting old and wants to protect his legacy, but I’m just a selfish bastard who wants to see the questions answered

I'm the same kinda way, honestly. But Jon has more than given us enough empty explanations and reminders that "God is just testing him, again" so many times now.

For as great as he is, he knows a bad/tough match up when he sees one and he's not above claiming it's about legacy and wanting the right amount. He's a natural conman in that way lol

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

How many threads can one guy make completely ignorant of the idea that the interim title holder wants to fight the title holder and that lots of fans want to see it for explicitly the same reason.

No no, it must be the brits control.

 

[bobafett]

I'm the same kinda way, honestly. But Jon has more than given us enough empty explanations and reminders that "God is just testing him, again" so many times now.

For as great as he is, he knows a bad/tough match up when he sees one and he's not above claiming it's about legacy and wanting the right amount. He's a natural conman in that way lol

I agree, he’s similar to many fighters who want to retire with their “undefeated” career, but he’s still the best fighter I’ve ever seen even if you care about his many fuckups. I just wanna see Aspinall fight someone who’ll test him. Jones would certainly do that, but if the fight doesn’t happen we’ll probably see a lot of rematches and squash matchups at heavyweight. But like you said, we gotta be grateful for what we get

 

[Luffy]

I wish we could all collectively just stop discussing it ad nauseum. Lots of posters here and fans in real life acted like they were disgusted with the Jon Stipe fight, and then proceeded to shit talk the whole event every day for months in the lead up.

And then, we all watched it. We all watched it not even 24 hrs after the Tyson Paul bout, and like the gluttons for punishment we are, we all scrambled back here to rabble rabble about the results.

I think we need to chill out with the 24/7 fixation on Jon/Tom, there's plenty of mma to look forward to regardless of what happens there.

Are we really just going to keep making Jon/Tom threads every day from now til the day it happens (or it doesn't)?
Lol the topic has been thoroughly covered for the time being, and we'll all watch whatever the ufc does next anyway.

I mean, the point of the topic wasn't that, not in the way you went in to describe... At all.

@Mohawk Banditó well, many times you don't get what you want to see. Fighters have their lives, know the risks of getting more and more fights and receiving brain damage, they aren't there to serve your enjoyment over them hurting each other forever... JJ has consistently challenged the best guys during his 30 fights. They know when it's time to hang up as well. It is like, the guy can retire, he has given up years of his future healthy life when older in the octagon already.

 

[BowserJr]

JJ literally said that he understand why people want him to fight Tom. He's younger. Faster. Heavier.

Then he said that Alex is collecting titles and that intrigues/motivates him the most. He wants to be that guy who beats no crazy weight cut Alex.

He wants an easy win over a guy with a ton of hype rather than a tough fight to cement a legacy at hw.

If the easy fight is at hw he will gaslight and pretend it cements his hw legacy and ufc stans will eat it up

 

[Luffy]

He wants an easy win over a guy with a ton of hype rather than a tough fight to cement a legacy at hw.

If the easy fight is at hw he will gaslight and pretend it cements his hw legacy and ufc stans will eat it up

"Easy win"
"JJ went to HW because the LHW was getting too tough" --- so would fans say....

 

[Luffy]

Anyways, I get @Mr.Maelstrom point, this is getting overdone and I'm likely the one who creates most of those threads. I had a time off, but tomorrow my week off is over so I won't post here, maybe occasionally, until February. I think I've always made these threads actually giving my sincere thoughts and trying to give what I consider fair approaches and (so imo at least) interesting theories, angles on it, but I think I've overdone it, my bad.