Aspinall is not better than Jon Jones (they are even),

[icemun]

Why would I respond to you when you can't even bother to fucking read? It's not Tom he should have called out after Gane. You even know that's not what I said because you already responded and lied about Blaydes and Pav's ranking, which I had to correct, and which you JUST proved yourself wrong with in this picture you posted. Your ability to listen is actually going backwards.


No it wasn't, so do I even need to respond to the rest? I mean, all of it is just excusing the bullshit to follow from the Stipe fight, not before it, so it seems like you're confused about what I'm even saying

Listen children. I know I use a lot of words and sometimes they're big, but my posts ARE in English. You CAN try to read them

You are typing English words; no doubt about that, but not making sense.

Gane was ranked #1 Stipe was ranked #2

Concisely; what point, if any are you trying to make?

Jones should have challenged some unknown of a lower ranking than #2 after he beat #1?



The UFC should have promoted this ?

 

[orca]

aspinal
outstriked great strikers = 0
outwrestled great wrestlers = 0
strangled legit bjj blackblets = 0

hows that better than a dude who has 17 title fights all wins
lol

another
"trust me bro? "

 

[mkess101]

aspinal
outstriked great strikers = 0
outwrestled great wrestlers = 0
strangled legit bjj blackblets = 0

hows that better than a dude who has 17 title fights all wins
lol

another
"trust me bro? "

I'm pretty sure nobody is arguing that Aspinall's resume' is better than Jones's.

The question is who's the better HW? Right now.

You know...what most actual fight fans would like to find out next.

 

[shunyata]

It's not about "better" it's about unifying the fucking belts.

Jon thinks he's better.

Ok, prove it.

 

[muaythaibeast]

aspinal
outstriked great strikers = 0
outwrestled great wrestlers = 0
strangled legit bjj blackblets = 0

hows that better than a dude who has 17 title fights all wins
lol

another
"trust me bro? "

So after Tom beats Almeida and Lewis, does that change?
He's beat the best there is on offer. It's hardly his fault that there's nothing out there capable of offering him a fight.
Jon also hasn't done any of the above since 2015, so I wouldn't be putting too much stock in his ability to replicate that.

 

[Mike]

I'm pretty sure either picto has an account here, or it's the same troll under different aliases posting these plethora of Jones white knighting excuses threads.

They all seem to be these long winded, mental gymnastics scrolls.

Jon debates using MMA math just like a sherdogger. That's why Jones fans live him so much.

 

[lsa]

I'm pretty sure nobody is arguing that Aspinall's resume' is better than Jones's.

The question is who's the better HW? Right now.

You know...what most actual fight fans would like to find out next.

I mean, we need the belts to be unified.
We cant have 2 champs running around the division.
Maybe I am asking too much.

 

[icemun]

It's not about "better" it's about unifying the fucking belts.

Jon thinks he's better.

Ok, prove it.

I dont think Jon has expressed he's better.

Hes said, he wants "Super fights" moving forward.

Evidently he doesnt deem Tom a Superfight?

 

[The-AxeMurderer]

Interesting, maybe they should fight or something.

 

[Human Bass]

Aspinall is way better than Jones at punching faster and harder while being 20lbs bigger

 

[Human Bass]

aspinal
outstriked great strikers = 0
outwrestled great wrestlers = 0
strangled legit bjj blackblets = 0

hows that better than a dude who has 17 title fights all wins
lol

another
"trust me bro? "

Aspinall didnt get a gifted decision against Reyes, Aspinall never went past the 2nd round while Jones failed to finish Anthony Smith and OSP. Aspinall just destroyes everyone with little effort. Also Aspinall has way better, faster hands while being bigger.

Thats what Jones fear the most, a guy with superior hands and way more ko power than him that also knows how to grapple while 20lbs bigger.

 

[Luffy]

I mean, we need the belts to be unified.
We cant have 2 champs running around the division.
Maybe I am asking too much.

It will be, Isa, and when/if JJ unifies it defeating Aspinall, what will be next for him to prove still? Fighting Ngannou? What will be the excuses?

 

[Luffy]

Aspinall didnt get a gifted decision against Reyes, Aspinall never went past the 2nd round while Jones failed to finish Anthony Smith and OSP. Aspinall just destroyes everyone with little effort. Also Aspinall has way better, faster hands while being bigger.

Thats what Jones fear the most, a guy with superior hands and way more ko power than him that also knows how to grapple while 20lbs bigger.

Being faster doesn't mean everything. He moves around faster, so? Gane also did move faster than JJ, yet before it went to the ground, Gane's two hits were one to the nuts and the other one was quickly dodged by JJ, who got him to the ground. JJ in the stand up actually was the one who landed a straight hand, Stipe failed to hit him the two times he tried it.

Yes, he's a good grappler... But there are levels to grappling. Jon Jones has not only gone toe to toe with DC in the dog grappling fight, but took him down 3x... JJ finished many jiu jitsu black belts and has been training for what, 2 years with one of the best BJJs ever --- Gordon Ryan. There are levels to this.

Alexander Gustaffson also had way quicker hands than JJ, yet in their second fight JJ managed to avoid that very well until he got the opportunity by weakening Gus' legs to get him to the ground... And JJ has improved his jiu jitsu a lot since then. He even stated post the fight he played cautious by not marching forwards because Gustaffson is the one who has the the best hand speed and movements in the division. Being quicker doesn't mean a lot when JJ has faced quicker opponents.

Gus had KO power too, not as much as Gus, but he had it... So much so that before their first fight many of Gus's wins were by KO's in round one. In his 15 wins, 8 were by round 1 KO and 1 by round 2 KO... And 3 by submissions using Jiu Jitsu... As GSP said, Jon Jones is very tough, he said JJ has likely one of the best chins. Stipe hit really hard still, JJ said the shots he got from Stipe were likely the hardest ones he got hit in his career, and one was an uppercut when they were in the clinch. Stipe wasn't in his prime, but he prepared s lot for the fight, was heavier than normally and KO power doesn't simply go away like that... He didn't even seem to show he was hurt when Stipe hit him with 2 heavy punches.

 

[orca]

Aspinall didnt get a gifted decision against Reyes, Aspinall never went past the 2nd round while Jones failed to finish Anthony Smith and OSP. Aspinall just destroyes everyone with little effort. Also Aspinall has way better, faster hands while being bigger.

Thats what Jones fear the most, a guy with superior hands and way more ko power than him that also knows how to grapple while 20lbs bigger.

oh come on simple as this you cant even bring proof
aspinal be like
outstriked great strikers = 0
outwrestled great wrestlers = 0
strangled legit bjj blackblets = 0

 

[lsa]

It will be, Isa, and when/if JJ unifies it defeating Aspinall, what will be next for him to prove still? Fighting Ngannou? What will be the excuses?

Then he can defend the belt against who ever is in line or retire or vacate or what ever.
Why would he fight Ngannou? That dude left the UFC.

Why are you talking about excuses and proving him?
The only thing I have posted about over multiple threads is I want the belts unified.
Jon has nothing he needs to prove, the only thing he needs (as do any champion) its to unify the belts.
I said this before... if the interim belt was held by a bunny rabbit then it would be the fight I want.

Having 2 active champs in any division is IMO a clown show.

 

[Luffy]

Then he can defend the belt against who ever is in line or retire or vacate or what ever.
Why would he fight Ngannou? That dude left the UFC.

Why are you talking about excuses and proving him?
The only thing I have posted about over multiple threads is I want the belts unified.
Jon has nothing he needs to prove, the only thing he needs (as do any champion) its to unify the belts.
I said this before... if the interim belt was held by a bunny rabbit then it would be the fight I want.

Having 2 active champs in any division is IMO a clown show.

Ok, but it doesn't need to happen when you want it to, right?

They're both champions, it's said they have to defend their belts three times a year, right? But JJ is the one with the real belt, so Tom needs three more defenses at least

 

[lsa]

Ok, but it doesn't need to happen when you want it to, right?

They're both champions, it's said they have to defend their belts three times a year, right? But JJ is the one with the real belt, so Tom needs three more defenses at least

The first fight back for the champ should be to unify the belts.
Its a clown world having 2 active champs in a division.
It means NONE of them are the undisputed champ,

Also who should the interim champ defend against and who should the champ defend against?

Its simply turning the division into a cluster fuck,

No Tom should not have to defend the interim title.
Tom by being the interim champ IS THE #1 challenger. To be the champ you gotta beat the champ and that goes for both Tom and Jon.

 

[Human Bass]

oh come on simple as this you cant even bring proof
aspinal be like
outstriked great strikers = 0
outwrestled great wrestlers = 0
strangled legit bjj blackblets = 0

Aspinall choked Volkov, something that Werdum didnt come close of doing it.

Also knocked out Pav in the 1st round, a Pav coming off a brutal win streak.

 

[Human Bass]

Being faster doesn't mean everything. He moves around faster, so? Gane also did move faster than JJ, yet before it went to the ground, Gane's two hits were one to the nuts and the other one was quickly dodged by JJ, who got him to the ground. JJ in the stand up actually was the one who landed a straight hand, Stipe failed to hit him the two times he tried it.

Yes, he's a good grappler... But there are levels to grappling. Jon Jones has not only gone toe to toe with DC in the dog grappling fight, but took him down 3x... JJ finished many jiu jitsu black belts and has been training for what, 2 years with one of the best BJJs ever --- Gordon Ryan. There are levels to this.

Alexander Gustaffson also had way quicker hands than JJ, yet in their second fight JJ managed to avoid that very well until he got the opportunity by weakening Gus' legs to get him to the ground... And JJ has improved his jiu jitsu a lot since then. He even stated post the fight he played cautious by not marching forwards because Gustaffson is the one who has the the best hand speed and movements in the division. Being quicker doesn't mean a lot when JJ has faced quicker opponents.

Gus had KO power too, not as much as Gus, but he had it... So much so that before their first fight many of Gus's wins were by KO's in round one. In his 15 wins, 8 were by round 1 KO and 1 by round 2 KO... And 3 by submissions using Jiu Jitsu... As GSP said, Jon Jones is very tough, he said JJ has likely one of the best chins. Stipe hit really hard still, JJ said the shots he got from Stipe were likely the hardest ones he got hit in his career, and one was an uppercut when they were in the clinch. Stipe wasn't in his prime, but he prepared s lot for the fight, was heavier than normally and KO power doesn't simply go away like that... He didn't even seem to show he was hurt when Stipe hit him with 2 heavy punches.

Jones couldnt do shit with his takedowns against DC and Reyes, had no control and they got up quickly.

If Jones think that ancient slowmo Stipe hits hard, oh boy he will experience a revelation against Tom

 

[Luffy]

Jones couldnt do shit with his takedowns against DC and Reyes, had no control and they got up quickly.

If Jones think that ancient slowmo Stipe hits hard, oh boy he will experience a revelation against Tom

Well, he has a great chin, so much so Stipe got in actually good shots and he didn't show signs of being hurt, and he took Stipe down like idk, he was just casually pushing someone down. Ofc, it's because of his techniques, but Stipe is a way better wrestler, heavier and all than Reyes. JJ is just better now than he was vs Reyes. Gane isn't a good wrestler but it's not like he was a novice in it either... Reyes got outworked on the ground by Jiri Prochakza... Who isn't a bad wrestler, but ppl ignore the fact that he couldn't take Alex Pereira down as proof he is a very bad wrestler because "Alex wasn't taken down" by Jiri. JJ has just been pretty effective in HW in wrestling and ground control. Same way Aspinall can catch him with superior boxing I have the same reasons to believe Jon Jones can pin him down when getting a hold of him and finish him there.