Aspinall is not better than Jon Jones (they are even),

[icemun]

The he should ditch the belt then and let the rest of the division move on. The HW champs job is to fight contenders. Tom isn’t a contender, he’s the interim champ and he’s about to defend that belt more than the actual champion. It’s a farce, everyone can see it! So if he wants easier fights give the belt up and get them made. The ufc should just give him that choice, it’s easily resolved.

At the moment this looks like one of the worst ducks in mma history

I heard him say that he'd drop the belt to fight Alex, sounds like thats what will happen or is being negotiated

I think people are reaching too hard for tom as the great saviour/ jones killer.

 

[fzoid4454]

It's still all lost on you. You have this fairy tale belief that the "real" belt holds some sort of value outside what the organization grants it. So nope, it's still your logic that's retarded.

If the "real" belt isn't an arbitrary thing that's solely at the discretion of the organization, why don't you point out the set time frame the UFC must abide by when determining whether to strip a champion or not. Go ahead. What's that? There isn't one??? No way! So you're telling me that they and they alone decide what merits stripping a champ? They can determine "inactivity" to mean whatever the hell they want in a given situation? Well Holy shit!

So yes, the both the interim and regular belts hold exactly as much value as the organization seems them to hold.

Yes, and the organization tells us it's not the real championship by giving it an "interim" designation. "It's all still lost on you."

 

[mkess101]

Yes, and the organization tells us it's not the real championship by giving it an "interim" designation. "It's all still lost on you."

The problem for you is that doesn't matter. The organization has every bit the ability to arbitrarily strip the "real" belt as they do the interim belt. They can literally set up ANY matchup to crown a "real" champ the same as the interim. You're caught up on the word "interim" as if it holds some practical differentiating meaning, I'm dealing in reality.

Both the "real" and "interim" belts are subject to the whims of Dana and the UFC brass. The lack of rules that govern how both are determined makes them equal for all intents and purposes. Jon Jones is UFC champ today. If the UFC decides to strip him tomorrow for refusing to fight Aspinall (or for being too tall or for wearing a shirt Dana doesn't like or for ANY reason)...they can. Which makes his championship every bit as arbitrary as the interim. Because Jon wouldn't have lost it in the cage. He'd simply have had it taken away by the sole arbiter of who has it, the UFC.

 

[fzoid4454]

Yes, and they have decided that there is an actual champion, and a not-actual champion to give move va-voom to their cards if the real champ is inactive.

Stop pretending that they are on the same level. UFC champions, by the whims of the organization, are the real champs. Interim champs aren't.

As you mentioned, if they wanted the "interim" champ to be the real champ, they can strip the actual champ of their title based on Dana's whims, and make the interim champ the real champ. They haven't done so.

interim < champ.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

I heard him say that he'd drop the belt to fight Alex, sounds like thats what will happen or is being negotiated

I think people are reaching too hard for tom as the great saviour/ jones killer.

No i think the issue is a champion, not fighting the guy who’s got the interim belt (and been defending it), and instead trying to take other match ups. Fans of mma should absolutely be pissed about this and they are. Dropping the belt and going for ‘money fights’ isn’t gonna completely save face for jones but it is better than what we currently have, which is a farce. The irony is Tom vs Jon is what the mma world wants to see, and it’s the fight he will make the most money!

 

[Jonny Ninja]

Yes, and they have decided that there is an actual champion, and a not-actual champion to give move va-voom to their cards if the real champ is inactive.

Stop pretending that they are on the same level. UFC champions, by the whims of the organization, are the real champs. Interim champs aren't.

As you mentioned, if they wanted the "interim" champ to be the real champ, they can strip the actual champ of their title based on Dana's whims, and make the interim champ the real champ. They haven't done so.

interim < champ.

Why would they strip the interim champ for trying to get a match up with the champ?



If jones doesn’t fight aspinal next then I fully expect them to strip him, eventually

 

[cooks1]

Why would they strip the interim champ for trying to get a match up with the champ?



If jones doesn’t fight aspinal next then I fully expect them to strip him, eventually

Tom deserves the Jones fight. And I hope Dana stays true to his word and doesn't let Bones fight anyone else but Tom. But I also think there is a very decent chance Bones just wrestlefucks Tom to oblivion.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

Tom deserves the Jones fight. And I hope Dana stays true to his word and doesn't let Bones fight anyone else but Tom. But I also think there is a very decent chance Bones just wrestlefucks Tom to oblivion.

I’d favour Tom but that’s also very possible. It’s a great fight, we all want to see it. And we all know that it’s the ‘only’ fight to make at HW. Trying to fight derek Lewis or poatan instead is just an awful look for the champ. But if that’s what he wants then he should do it without his belt

 

[icemun]

No i think the issue is a champion, not fighting the guy who’s got the interim belt (and been defending it), and instead trying to take other match ups. Fans of mma should absolutely be pissed about this and they are. Dropping the belt and going for ‘money fights’ isn’t gonna completely save face for jones but it is better than what we currently have, which is a farce. The irony is Tom vs Jon is what the mma world wants to see, and it’s the fight he will make the most money!

If thats what MMA fans want to see and Dana/UFC pay thats what we will get. We didnt get it with Francis.



Id like to see it, but Tom has had 1ppv fight, I dont know how much that really pulls at the gate.

Realistically, Tom loses to Jones, he'll get dismissed and shit on faster than Gane

 

[fzoid4454]

Why would they strip the interim champ for trying to get a match up with the champ?



If jones doesn’t fight aspinal next then I fully expect them to strip him, eventually

How the ever-loving fuck did you get, anywhere in that post you were responding to, that I said an interim champ should be stripped for trying to get a matchup with the real champ?

Have a third-grader read the posts and explain what was actually said to you. That third grader, reading at their age level, will understand that all I said in the post is that the interim designation is less than the actual champion designation. Nothing was said, at all, about stripping Aspinall of his meaningless title.

If the interim title goes away, it's not because he's being "stripped" of it, it's because, by definition, "interim" means temporary or conditional. If the conditions that created it cease to exist, it does away on its own.

What I have said (in earlier posts) is that, by the very definition of what an interim champ is, and why those meaningless designations are handed out, that the "interim" title, logically, EXPIRES when the actual champ is active again, whether it's against the interim belt holder or some other contender. But, as it's not a real title, with any real criteria, that may or may not happen, depending on the aforementioned whims.

 

[Azzy]

Yeah....

Tom wants to fight Old man coked out Jones.

What a set of steel brass.

Tom wants the belt, he's just wanting to fight whoever holds the belt...