If Aspinall loses to Gane people will basically just say he was never good enough to beat Jon

[SuperAlly]

Where in my post did I ever say that Aspinall was like Gane or would end up like Gane? Reading must be hard for you because nowhere did I criticize Tom as a fighter. But it is a fact he got the rub from Pav, who was declared the next big thing at the time and the next to beat Jones, especially on Sherdog. Aspinall could easily lose one of his next fights at HW and then you'd be one of the first people to jump off the bandwagon. Its not like he doesn't have past loses either. I don't think Gane will be the one to beat him, but Aspinall could easily get flash KO'd in one of his next fights because like I said, HW is unpredictable. And despite Aspinall being champion, there isn't that much tape on him in the UFC, and he's never been in a 5 round fighter before.

Not sure why I'm even responding to you though. Based on your above posts, you're just trolling this thread.

Reading must be hard for you, especially when you are crying through your tears about Jon

Not everyone views MMA through the prism of Jon is the messiah, so understand that not everyone likes Tom or Pav because of mythical match ups with the duck queen.

Many, many viewers just like MMA and they like Tom because he's an absolute savage blasting most everyone out of their in one minute to a round.

So stop telling everyone what they will do if Tom loses to Gane.

Not everyone is weirdly infatuated with Jon like you are.

Until you understand people approach the world from different perspectives to you, you will always struggle in life.

 

[SuperAlly]

Jon's probably one of the most hated fighters on here. Pretty sure no one in this thread is defending him, including me. Despite having a Jon Jones GIF (i'm just too lazy to change it from years ago), he's not even my favorite fighter. We are just spitting facts that Pavlovich was the next big thing and then Aspinall got the rub from beating him. Pavlovich had a 6 fight win with all KOs/TKOS which included wins over Blaydes, Tuivasa, and Derrick Lewis. His only loss prior to that was Overeem. Aspinall's best wins up to that point included a win over journeyman Spivac, over the hill Arlovski, and Volkov who was trading wins and loses in his last few fights. Aspinall also had 2 prior loses on his record from BAMMA prior to the UFC. Aspinall then lost his next fight to Blaydes via a knee injury before coming back with a win over Tybura.

So lets not act like Aspinall was viewed as some killer going into the Pavlovich fight. IIRC, it was a short notice fight too, so most were betting on Pavlovich. Point is, none of this has less to do with Jones and more to do with fickle MMA fans who proclaim someone the next best thing to beat "insert X fighter."

The first line of your 2nd paragraph is such nonsense

Just enjoy MMA man and stop obsessing about a retired fighter who has been effectively retired for 2 years

 

[NoSmilez]

People are going to get really mad if Aspinall loses to Gane.

 

[Koro_11]

Since Jon beat Gane with basically no difficulty

This is gonna be the worst nightmare of Jon Jones haters

All he damage he's done to his legacy by not fighting aspinall is going to disapear and he's going to be remembered as an indestructible super goat with insurmountable accomplishments when one will surpass.

They're going to be like "wow I see why Jon didn't fight him, he's not even on his level..."

I think Aspinal not only has to win, but needs to do it in dominant fashion in the first round.

If Cyril even puts up a bit of a fight. It will be “well he struggled with him while Jones went through him like a hot knife through butter..”

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

I think Aspinal not only has to win, but needs to do it in dominant fashion in the first round.

If Cyril even puts up a bit of a fight. It will be “well he struggled with him while Jones went through him like a hot knife through butter..”

I mean, that has been the argument used against Jones with every person he has ever beat. That's just the way MMA is, nobody was ever actually good. And every win looks bad, because the person they beat usually loses another fight at some point proving the win wasn't impressive.

 

[JBJ was here]

People are going to get really mad if Aspinall loses to Gane.

More like sad--or perhaps "even more sad" would be more appropriate--about the state of HW and confused about how it could have happened unless you're including trolls feigning anger. And "if" is doing a whole lot of work there.

 

[NoSmilez]

More like sad--or perhaps "even more sad" would be more appropriate--about the state of HW and confused about how it could have happened unless you're including trolls feigning anger. And "if" is doing a whole lot of work there.

Most people who don’t like Jones are irrational here. A lot of them don’t even care about Aspinall.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

The desperation of Jones fans to have him get vicarious wins is sad as fuck.

Remember when Pavlovich lost and suddenly they pretended Stipe was a better title defense, sad stuff.

Even aspinall somehow losing to Gane doesn't justify the Joke of Jones' HW, run Gane will have beat Tom, Jones will still have been afraid of an actual live opponent at HW.

This sadder than Conor refusing to rematch Aldo and his fans throwing a party for Max Holloway.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Younhave to throw nganou in their as well, if gane wins. He’s the champ of a division where the last 2 undisputed left.
It’s a very bad look on the division.

jones gave It some legitimacy as he’s been on top of the sport 15 years.

Jones gave it legitimacy then killed it's legimacy making us wait 3 years for him to have 1 defense vs a corpse pulled out of retirement.

 

[SuperNerd]

Tom vs Gane is somehow about Jones haters?



Jones had three years to fight Francis.
Get over it.

Walks like a Duck, talks like a duck...

Fuckin' Donalds.

100%

I don't understand why these fucking losers think everything revolves around JJ.

I want fights. JJ wasn't fighting. Tom vs Gane is the only thing on the menu. The end.

I don't care who wins. I dont care who Sherdogger #9843754 thinks woulda, coulda, cuza..

I won't be wondering what JJ is doing, cuz it won't be fighting.

 

[SuperAlly]

Most people who don’t like Jones are irrational here. A lot of them don’t even care about Aspinall.

Most people who like Jones are irrational here. A lot of them don’t even care about Aspinall.

 

[NoSmilez]

Most people who like Jones are irrational here. A lot of them don’t even care about Aspinall.

point proven.

 

[SuperAlly]

100%

I don't understand why these fucking losers think everything revolves around JJ.

I want fights. JJ wasn't fighting. The end.

I don't care who wins. I dont care who Sherdogger #9843754 thinks woulda, coulda, cuza..

I won't be wondering what JJ is doing, cuz it won't be fighting.

As much as I love watching Tom Aspinall annihilate most everyone heavyweight in 1-5 minutes

In 5-10 years Tom will retire and I'll enjoy, I dunno, Brazilian McFuckface from south America being the new king of HW

I just love MMA and combat sports

Sure, right now I really like Tom Aspinall, Pereira, Topuria (more recently), Holloway, Charlie Olives and Volk.

But the sport moves on and so will I

When I was a kid my favourite football player was Ally McCoist, I also loved Barry Ferguson, more recently Ryan Kent and right now I'm a big fan of Hamza Igamane

I just love sport. And my entire world view of boxing isn't depending on Ali, with football on Pele or McCoist, tennis with Andy Murray or Roger Federer

In 5-10 years I'll still be loving MMA while these Jones weirdos will still be arguing about how Jon didn't duck Tom, even though he clearly did

Love the sport, not one man that played it

Unless he is Ally McCoist , that we can all understand

 

[SuperAlly]

point proven.

Agreed

 

[mkess101]

Where in my post did I ever say that Aspinall was like Gane or would end up like Gane? Reading must be hard for you because nowhere did I criticize Tom as a fighter. But it is a fact he got the rub from Pav, who was declared the next big thing at the time and the next to beat Jones, especially on Sherdog. Aspinall could easily lose one of his next fights at HW and then you'd be one of the first people to jump off the bandwagon. Its not like he doesn't have past loses either. I don't think Gane will be the one to beat him, but Aspinall could easily get flash KO'd in one of his next fights because like I said, HW is unpredictable. And despite Aspinall being champion, there isn't that much tape on him in the UFC, and he's never been in a 5 round fighter before.

Not sure why I'm even responding to you though. Based on your above posts, you're just trolling this thread.

Plenty of people (myself included) were talking about Aspinall before he beat Pavlovich. And in fact I made a lot of $ betting him AGAINST Pavlovich. And Aspinall was a slight favorite, so let's not pretend everyone thought it was Pavlovich next up...or Tom wouldn't have been the betting favorite.

 

[NoSmilez]

Plenty of people (myself included) were talking about Aspinall before he beat Pavlovich. And in fact I made a lot of $ betting him AGAINST Pavlovich. And Aspinall was a slight favorite, so let's not pretend everyone thought it was Pavlovich next up...or Tom wouldn't have been the betting favorite.

I thought the line opened up with Tom as a slight favorite and it became even on fight night?

 

[SuperAlly]

That's interesting

I do remember Pav was a big favourite on Sherdog

But i do remember thinking fuck why?

So interesting to know the betting line was Tom

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Yes, we will. If anybody other than Gane would beat Aspinall all the Jones haters would just switch the warwagon, very same as they did then Pav lost to Asp. All became Tom-nuthuggers.

I was hyping Pav because I legitimately thought he was going to make a run, guy was on an absolute tear taking the KO's in a row record, I picked him against Tom as Tom was coming in with no camp. Pav tagged him early, Tom shook it off and right there I realized I was severely undervaluing Aspinall. Tom lands that beautiful 2-1-2 and the rest is history.

That's interesting

I do remember Pav was a big favourite on Sherdog

But i do remember thinking fuck why?

So interesting to know the betting line was Tom

bestfightodds.com tracks this kind of stuff

 

[mkess101]

I thought the line opened up with Tom as a slight favorite and it became even on fight night?

Aspinall opened like -160, line came in so he was closer to evens but I think it was still like Aspinall -130 and Pav +110.

So let's take a second and think--if Pavlovich was the "next big thing"...he wouldn't open as a dog to begin with. And he damn sure wouldn't stay the dog (even if he did get some action that tightened the line).

 

[Superzorro]

It is embarrassing, I agree. Just not for the reason you think. A win or a loss in combat sports only matters in the context of how it's viewed and what it does for a career. (At least when reaching the level of the UFC). You're desperately clinging to "someone's record" as though it holds some sort of weight that it just plain doesn't. That's what you can't grasp--it makes NO DIFFERENCE if Dana or the org can change someone's record because they can ignore that record in the bigger context of how the organization functions. That you're not bright enough to understand this isn't my problem.

You keep saying "you guys" while ignoring that I've already stated that Aspinall likely smokes Gane. You literally have my words here, but choose to throw silly hyperbolic nonsense out here as though I'm lumped in with some non-existent crew claiming Gane was "the worst HW in the UFC". This shows pretty clearly that being taken seriously isn't a priority for you. And that's fine, but pretending like you're offering anything of substance is laughable.

Yeah that’s nice but a win is a win and a loss is a loss. You can’t say a win is a loss or a loss is a win. You couldn’t be as bright as you’re claiming to be if you can’t understand that simple concept. Get the basics down first before you try to spiral off on these like… bizarre tangents of pseudo-intellectual logic.

We’re not talking about what the fighter gets to do after the fight or where it puts them in the division. All we’re saying is that a loss here against Gane is a terrible look for the person who supposedly scared Jones off, considering Gane was not only beaten by Jones but wiped out in the first round. Gane’s not supposed to be on Tom’s level.

If you’re so confident about Aspinall smoking Gane, why are you this afraid of being held accountable for all the hype you’ve put behind him? I don’t get it. Why all the damage control before the fight even happens?