If Aspinall loses to Gane people will basically just say he was never good enough to beat Jon

[Superzorro]

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Didn't even read this.

You are disingenuous and not wasting my time on belligerent nonsense any more.

Jon ducking Tom is one of, and in my opinion is, the worst cases of ducking in MMA history

The fact this hurts you is neither here nor there.

I know you didn’t. That’s why you’re on this website. It’s an echo chamber, so the moment you meet something that opposes what everybody else says, your first instinct is to shut down.

No, this wouldn’t hurt me even if it was the truth (which it is not). I’ve never been bothered by the opinion of a smooth brained race fan.

 

[KO Shotz]

Ya, if Gane beats Tom then all the hoopla about Jon fearing a fight with Tom would definitely all go out the window & some would see Jon as a pure genius in not wasting his time with Aspinall.

But in reality, Tom is most likely gonna smoke Gane.

 

[r-harper-1]

Aspinall should crush gane

 

[mkess101]

No I won’t even concede a split decision. I said you might have a point. But even then, it doesn’t add up. If you were trying to argue for a split decision, you’d look like less of a moron— that’s all.

What does any of that have to do with the topic? You said Ryan Spann being better than Jones due to their respective Reyes performances is equal to saying Jones is better than Aspinall if he gets washed by the Gane that Jones disposed of in the first round with ease. Jones didn’t get washed by Reyes. What’s more, he didn’t even lose. So the comparison is not accurate.

The reason why you’re pushing so hard for this unanimous decision victory being seen as a loss is because without that, you can’t make a fair comparison to anything in Jones career. Just give it up. It doesn’t work. It would not be the same. Find me a time a Jones *actually* lost to someone that another fighter beat.

Holy shit, you realize my comment about Spann was a joke, right? But hey, according to you "a loss is a loss". That's how it's recorded, context doesn't matter. If it's in that column, there it is.

So, by your genius logic Julian Marquez>Jon Jones. I mean, Marquez beat Matt Hammil when Jones couldn't so there you go. Don't try to explain it away, this isn't about "your feelings" on Hammil/Jones. The record says what it says.

 

[Istryker]

Would be bad for the UFC

 

[arcadeperfect]

Jon especially will be saying this all over the internet. You bet that he's praying to God that Aspinall loses somehow.

 

[Superzorro]

Holy shit, you realize my comment about Spann was a joke, right? But hey, according to you "a loss is a loss". That's how it's recorded, context doesn't matter. If it's in that column, there it is.

So, by your genius logic Julian Marquez>Jon Jones. I mean, Marquez beat Matt Hammil when Jones couldn't so there you go. Don't try to explain it away, this isn't about "your feelings" on Hammil/Jones. The record says what it says.

So it’s a joke. But then you turn around and reinforce it. If it was truly a joke, you wouldn’t feel the need to double down with another whack comparison. To me, this just makes you seem like you’re afraid to stand on it.

No idea who Julian Marquez is, but it’s entirely possible for him to be better than the Jones that fought Hamill— I’m not sure. But I doubt he has the body of work or championships that Jones has, so it’s irrelevant. Right now, we’re talking about world champions who have beaten elite fighters. Tom Aspinall just barely makes it into that category. But I don’t know if you want to compare him to Aspinall, be my guest.

 

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[mkess101]

So it’s a joke. But then you turn around and reinforce it. If it was truly a joke, you wouldn’t feel the need to double down with another whack comparison. To me, this just makes you seem like you’re afraid to stand on it.

No idea who Julian Marquez is, but it’s entirely possible for him to be better than the Jones that fought Hamill— I’m not sure. But I doubt he has the body of work or championships that Jones has, so it’s irrelevant. Right now, we’re talking about world champions who have beaten elite fighters. Tom Aspinall just barely makes it into that category. But I don’t know if you want to compare him to Aspinall, be my guest.

You were so rigid...until you weren't. Now your rules only apply to what you deem world champs that have beaten "elite fighters". And I'm sure you feel you're the arbiter of who's "elite" too.

This is always how it goes with people like you. You try to make hard and fast "rules", then when shown it doesn't work that way you wriggle and arbitrarily apply whatever other filters you choose to try to cling to your silly belief.

So again, HOW someone wins or loses matters. And one common opponent doesn't determine what would happen between two fighters. No matter how much you want to try to pretend it does.

 

[Superzorro]

You were so rigid...until you weren't. Now your rules only apply to what you deem world champs that have beaten "elite fighters". And I'm sure you feel you're the arbiter of who's "elite" too.

This is always how it goes with people like you. You try to make hard and fast "rules", then when shown it doesn't work that way you wriggle and arbitrarily apply whatever other filters you choose to try to cling to your silly belief.

So again, HOW someone wins or loses matters. And one common opponent doesn't determine what would happen between two fighters. No matter how much you want to try to pretend it does.

What rules? The ones you made up in your head? Do you have memory issues or something? All I said was that your comparison makes no sense, and that Jones fans would be justified in calling you guys out on your bullshit.

You really have to work on that. Anything else was added on by you.

 

[Superzorro]

Ya, if Gane beats Tom then all the hoopla about Jon fearing a fight with Tom would definitely all go out the window & some would see Jon as a pure genius in not wasting his time with Aspinall.

But in reality, Tom is most likely gonna smoke Gane.

Pretty much this. The thing that blows my mind is how little confidence these people have. Just back your guy and say he’s going to run through Gane. That’s what I would do. This isn’t even supposed to be a hard fight for him. What are we going to do when it’s time for him to actually get in there with a killer? Running around and being like “you guys better not call us out if Tom loses!” in case he does is just so pussy to me when you compare it to how sure and cocky they were about him beating old man Jones.

 

[mkess101]

What rules? The ones you made up in your head? Do you have memory issues or something? All I said was that your comparison makes no sense, and that Jones fans would be justified in calling you guys out on your bullshit.

You really have to work on that. Anything else was added on by you.

Wrong. You tried to pretend the context of a win or loss made no difference because a loss was a loss and a win a win. That it made no difference if a robbery decision occurred, you couldn't compare that to an "actual" loss. That's been the crux of this whole argument.

My argument makes sense to those who understand every win or loss has its own context. A win achieved only because 3 specific people (that often don't know the sport near well enough) say it was a win when most others disagree has different relevance than a finish or a decision that's obvious enough to where there's no disagreement. That's just reality, like it or not.

It's a simplistic (and frankly stupid) way to view combat sports if you're only willing to look in each column and not add any context. You have the right to view it that way of course, I'm not telling you what you can or can't do. See it however you want. Most fans would not view a win due to a robbery decision the same way they would a win that everyone agrees was the correct decision. If you choose to...dumb, but certainly your prerogative.

 

[mkess101]

Pretty much this. The thing that blows my mind is how little confidence these people have. Just back your guy and say he’s going to run through Gane. That’s what I would do. This isn’t even supposed to be a hard fight for him. What are we going to do when it’s time for him to actually get in there with a killer? Running around and being like “you guys better not call us out if Tom loses!” in case he does is just so pussy to me when you compare it to how sure and cocky they were about him beating old man Jones.

LMFAO. Aspinall probably does smoke Gane. He's like a -400 favorite.

The more accurate take is that when he does, you Jones sycophants will STILL be here saying "Durr, took Aspinall 4 minutes to finish him, so much easier for Jones. Obviously Jones didn't need to waste his time with a bum that took 4 minutes to finish Gane when Jones did it so much easier."

 

[AzorAhai1]

Is that what Jon said when he beat Gane in more impressive fashion than N'Gannou? I mean if Aspinall goes to decision with Gane, I suppose Jon does have the answer that he beat Gane in better fashion than both guys.

 

[dominion]

Well, khabib did have to go to a 5 round decision with a real estate agent just to win the belt

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[Rampage_Jackson]

Why does this dumbfuck thread have 9 pages

you guys need to hold yourselves to a higher standard

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Why does this dumbfuck thread have 9 pages

you guys need to hold yourselves to a higher standard

There's still people disingenuously propagating the ridiculous idea that MMA math is totally a viable approach.

"A beat B, B beat C, therefore A is better than C. How could anyone possibly argue against that? Also, unrelated question: What are 'styles'? I've never heard of them."

 

[Marko Polo]

If Aspinall doesn’t beat Gane quicker than Jones then Jones would have beat Aspinall

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

If Aspinall doesn’t beat Gane quicker than Jones then Jones would have beat Aspinall

 

[Luffy]

Wrong. As soon as Jon pulled out of the fight, the contract was cancelled. He signed a whole NEW contract a year later when Tom was waiting to unify the belt. But keep making up loony shit lol.

Nah, you’re mixing up a bout agreement with the belt-hierarchy rules, try to read a little more, why don't you?

First off, interim # auto-mandatory. The unified rules say the promotion decides when the champion has to face the interim... it’s “at the discretion of the sanctioning body or promotion concerned", meaning if the UFC already promised the champ another fight, the interim just has to wait. For instance, Bisping defended against 46 yo Dan Henderson while Whittaker was sitting there with the interim. A year later they let Bisping fight GSP instead of unifying... So the idea that the champion must fight the interim next is already cooked.

Not to mention that JJ-Stipe was never “dead.” When JJ tore his pec the fight was scrapped, not the hierarchy. Dana kept saying the plan was Jones vs Stipe once he healed. ESPN and others repeated it all through 2024. JJ even confirmed he’d verbally agreed to the same matchup for his return. Aspinall waiting is normal. Interim champions have waited before, see when Whittaker sat while Bisping/GSP fought or when Tony Ferguson held an interim while Conor chased boxing money, or even Aldo once held the full belt while an interim existed. UFC uses the title however sells best... nothing in the rules forces an immediate unification.

So no, I’m not “making loony shit up”.... The UFC can (and often does) let the undisputed champion honour a previously booked fight before touching the interim. Aspinall’s belt means he’s first in line after JJ–Stipe happens, not that he leap-frogs it. Yeah you're harmless because you can't even get your facts straight. I'm harmless in the sense I'll just teach you, nothing else.