If Aspinall loses to Gane people will basically just say he was never good enough to beat Jon

[Vehap1]

People also say Smith is better than Gane, because he went to a dec vs Jones

39 yo Werdum destroy Gustafsson in 2 minutes, Jon needed 8 rounds (and tested positive for turinabol in the 2nd)
That means 39 years old Werdum beats Jones right?

 

[markg171]

people will say anything, doesn't mean you should listen.

the answer to mmath is always 'styles make fights'.

But you guys have been telling us for years Tom does have the style to beat Gane.

 

[TheGreenMachine]

The first line of your 2nd paragraph is such nonsense

Just enjoy MMA man and stop obsessing about a retired fighter who has been effectively retired for 2 years

Funny, considering the only one obsessing over Jones here is you because you seem to want to argue that any criticism against Aspinall is Jones related.

 

[TheGreenMachine]

Reading must be hard for you, especially when you are crying through your tears about Jon

Not everyone views MMA through the prism of Jon is the messiah, so understand that not everyone likes Tom or Pav because of mythical match ups with the duck queen.

Many, many viewers just like MMA and they like Tom because he's an absolute savage blasting most everyone out of their in one minute to a round.

So stop telling everyone what they will do if Tom loses to Gane.

Not everyone is weirdly infatuated with Jon like you are.

Until you understand people approach the world from different perspectives to you, you will always struggle in life.

Says reading must be hard for me, but misinterprets my original post as glazing Jones. Also says I'm weirdly infatuated with Jones. Meanwhile, you literally glaze Tom from head to toe in your next sentence like you want to date him lol. You're a bandwagon follower. You probably did the same to Jones when he was blasting through the division and now Tom is your next best thing til he isn't. Every fighter is the next big thing til they're not. Then after a loss, sad people like you distance yourselves from them like they're the plague and they were never good to begin with.

But here, I'll help you out. Nothing in my original post was referencing Jon's skillsets. My post had everything to do with the next big hype train. But I know, reading is hard for you...I suggest getting out of your mom's basement with your 10k post count and actually training a real martial art, not keyboard warrioring. Then you'd understand that MMA is unpredictable, especially at HW, and anyone can lose at any moment. Hence my post.

Aspinall, for his record, isn't that well vetted yet as a fighter. We've seen fighters such as JDS and Cain, who both had more and higher quality wins at the same points in their careers, lose their very next fights and then fall off hard. I'm not saying that will happen with Aspinall. But I'm not buying into all his hype yet either, especially after everyone did the same with Pav 2 fights before. As for Jon, I could care less, he's a retired fighter. The only person bringing Jon up is you. Seems like a weird obsession to have, but I guess you get off on trollin.

This was the exact same scenario that already happened with Pavlovich. Pav was on a 6 fight win streak all by TKO/KOs and was supposed to be the next HW GOAT and the person to beat Jones. Aspinall wasn't even that hyped because Pav was overshadowing the whole division. He also beat Blaydes who had a win over Aspinall. Then Aspinall beats Pav and somehow got his rub after only a 2 fight win streak and became the new person to beat Jones. Sure, he avenged the "loss" to Blaydes, but Aspinall could easily end up just like Pav and be on the losing end of a KO to another HW. Then it will just be "well, he was never really that good." The problem is HW is just too unpredictable as a division.

 

[Klippy]

If Gane wins, this board will crash for a few minutes. lol.

 

[mkess101]

But you guys have been telling us for years Tom does have the style to beat Gane.

He is just better than Gane. Not sure who "you guys" are, but there's a reason Aspinall is -350 in this fight. Is that a guarantee? No, there's no such thing in MMA. But it's not some sort of coin toss fight either. One guy is heavily favored, for a reason.

 

[markg171]

He is just better than Gane. Not sure who "you guys" are, but there's a reason Aspinall is -350 in this fight. Is that a guarantee? No, there's no such thing in MMA. But it's not some sort of coin toss fight either. One guy is heavily favored, for a reason.

Mate we all know there's a very clear reason why you generically said "he is just better than Gane" than what you've otherwise been saying for months and years which is that Tom's a bad stylistic matchup for Gane because he can grapple and win there whenever.

Stop trying to play cute with the about faces now that it's time for to put up.

 

[mkess101]

Mate we all know there's a very clear reason why you generically said "he is just better than Gane" than what you've otherwise been saying for months and years which is that Tom's a bad stylistic matchup for Gane because he can grapple and win there whenever.

Stop trying to play cute with the about faces now that it's time for to put up.

Go ahead and quote whatever bullshit you think I've said. And straight up--are you retarded? Why would me saying "he's just better" undermine him being a bad stylistic matchup? You think it can't be both? Because it's both, mouth breather.

So now...tell me why "you all" (as though anyone would be dumb enough to let you speak for them LMAO) think I'd say Aspinall is better than Gane vs whatever you're trying to claim I said that wouldn't support that?

Sometimes I think other posters like @andrewgolota might be the worst on the forum. And then you swoop in with the dumbest shit take imaginable and remind me that you still hold the title.

 

[markg171]

Go ahead and quote whatever bullshit you think I've said. And straight up--are you retarded? Why would me saying "he's just better" undermine him being a bad stylistic matchup? You think it can't be both? Because it's both, mouth breather.

So now...tell me why "you all" (as though anyone would be dumb enough to let you speak for them LMAO) think I'd say Aspinall is better than Gane vs whatever you're trying to claim I said that wouldn't support that?

Sometimes I think other posters like @andrewgolota might be the worst on the forum. And then you swoop in with the dumbest shit take imaginable and remind me that you still hold the title.

Thanks for admitting that yes, you thought Tom is a bad stylistic matchup for Gane.

Thanks for playing.

 

[mkess101]

Thanks for admitting that yes, you thought Tom is a bad stylistic matchup for Gane.

Thanks for playing.

Oh, so you are retarded. Again, please quote where I said he wasn't. C'mon little Marky. Show me where I said it. There's no "admitting" of anything, you absolute idiot.

 

[bjjwar]

GSP got KO’ed by Serra, a midget reject bum, so he was never really that good. Oh wait…

 

[bjjwar]

He was probably avoiding a drug test, not Tom.

He was totally fine fighting a 3 yrs retired 43 yr old dude who had been KO’ed in his last fight and was injured. So i doubt it was the test…

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Funny, considering the only one obsessing over Jones here is you

Yeah, not the guy with Jon as his avatar

And straight up--are you retarded?

Ooh, I can answer that on Mark's behalf!

Sometimes I think other posters like @andrewgolota might be the worst on the forum. And then you swoop in with the dumbest shit take imaginable and remind me that you still hold the title.

I find that Orca certainly competes with Mark on whose keyboard is covered in the most drool. Might be too close to call

 

[SuperAlly]

Funny, considering the only one obsessing over Jones here is you because you seem to want to argue that any criticism against Aspinall is Jones related.

Na.

 

[SuperAlly]

Says reading must be hard for me, but misinterprets my original post as glazing Jones. Also says I'm weirdly infatuated with Jones. Meanwhile, you literally glaze Tom from head to toe in your next sentence like you want to date him lol. You're a bandwagon follower. You probably did the same to Jones when he was blasting through the division and now Tom is your next best thing til he isn't. Every fighter is the next big thing til they're not. Then after a loss, sad people like you distance yourselves from them like they're the plague and they were never good to begin with.

But here, I'll help you out. Nothing in my original post was referencing Jon's skillsets. My post had everything to do with the next big hype train. But I know, reading is hard for you...I suggest getting out of your mom's basement with your 10k post count and actually training a real martial art, not keyboard warrioring. Then you'd understand that MMA is unpredictable, especially at HW, and anyone can lose at any moment. Hence my post.

Aspinall, for his record, isn't that well vetted yet as a fighter. We've seen fighters such as JDS and Cain, who both had more and higher quality wins at the same points in their careers, lose their very next fights and then fall off hard. I'm not saying that will happen with Aspinall. But I'm not buying into all his hype yet either, especially after everyone did the same with Pav 2 fights before. As for Jon, I could care less, he's a retired fighter. The only person bringing Jon up is you. Seems like a weird obsession to have, but I guess you get off on trollin.

"Misinterprets"

 

[TheGreenMachine]

Yeah, not the guy with Jon as his avatar

Read above. I barely post on here and haven't taken the time to change my avatar and I openly criticized Jones in this thread. Figured you'd be able to do some basic research with 20k+ posts and all, but guess not.

 

[Superzorro]

Wrong again. I am not only a FAR bigger Sterling fan than a Yan fan, I had $ on Sterling in that fight. You clearly are NOT letting anything sink in. While not identical, Yan/Sterling and Jones/Hammil DO have similarities in the CONTEXT of those wins (for Aljo and Hammil) and losses (for Yan and Jones). Obviously the rematch changed the overall perception of Yan/Aljo in its totality with Aljo clearly winning the rematch. But in the direct aftermath, both Aljo' win in the first Yan fight and Hammil's win over Jones were viewed similarly. Read this slowly, multiple times if needed: THAT IS THE POINT AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO I LIKE OR DON'T. OR WHO I HAVE $ ON. THE CONTEXT OF A WIN OR LOSS CAN BE AS IMPORTANT AS THE OFFICIAL RESULT. CAN BE. IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.


And I honestly don't know why you're whining about all of this anyway. Weird things happen in MMA, but odds are we won't see a scenario where the context of a potential outcome matters a lot. Aspinall losing in a weird scenario a la Jones/Hammil is remote. Him losing an outright robbery decision where he was the clear winner but got fucked over is remote. Most likely he wins and finishes and in this case our argument is moot. And if he does lose, it's likely not some massive screw job and the argument would still be moot because the CONTEXT of that win for Gane would be "He's better than we gave him credit for" and for Aspinall it would be "He's not as good as we thought". See, because it's actually me that's consistent. I understand that context ALWAYS matters whether it's an outcome I wanted or not.

Even if I grant you that context is important (which again is iffy because that all comes down to personal bias), it never overrides the official result of a fight. Even if I grant you that it is important, I don’t think it can ever be *more* important than the actual result. And then to top everything off, the context argument here, with this specific fight, is moot because we’re looking at a unanimous decision— not split, not majority, so you don’t have any leeway here. It’s pretty cut and dry. The fans are just in their feelings because they wanted him to lose and they don’t like what the judges were looking for that night. Under the same context, no one is ever going to try to legitimately argue that a similar win is actually a loss (see GSP vs Hendricks (unless you’re willing to consider that fight to be a loss due to “context,” we’re not even going to go there)).


Yeah, I’m glad we agree. Aspinall losing here is not a good look. It doesn’t “mean nothing” like you and people in here are trying to suggest. He’s supposed to finish or dominate Gane if he’s even remotely as good as they say. Going life and death with him or losing means that he is on the same level as the guy who couldn’t last a round with an old Jones. I don’t care what you say— that’s not good.

 

[Superzorro]

Says reading must be hard for me, but misinterprets my original post as glazing Jones. Also says I'm weirdly infatuated with Jones. Meanwhile, you literally glaze Tom from head to toe in your next sentence like you want to date him lol. You're a bandwagon follower. You probably did the same to Jones when he was blasting through the division and now Tom is your next best thing til he isn't. Every fighter is the next big thing til they're not. Then after a loss, sad people like you distance yourselves from them like they're the plague and they were never good to begin with.

But here, I'll help you out. Nothing in my original post was referencing Jon's skillsets. My post had everything to do with the next big hype train. But I know, reading is hard for you...I suggest getting out of your mom's basement with your 10k post count and actually training a real martial art, not keyboard warrioring. Then you'd understand that MMA is unpredictable, especially at HW, and anyone can lose at any moment. Hence my post.

Aspinall, for his record, isn't that well vetted yet as a fighter. We've seen fighters such as JDS and Cain, who both had more and higher quality wins at the same points in their careers, lose their very next fights and then fall off hard. I'm not saying that will happen with Aspinall. But I'm not buying into all his hype yet either, especially after everyone did the same with Pav 2 fights before. As for Jon, I could care less, he's a retired fighter. The only person bringing Jon up is you. Seems like a weird obsession to have, but I guess you get off on trollin.

You say anything other than “Aspinall is a God,” and these people will lose their minds.

 

[Superzorro]

"The only thing that matters is the official result - except for one i don't want to use this rule"

The official result isn’t the only thing that matters, it just matters the most. I said that Jones lost to Hamill. So go ahead and tell me where ever I’ve contradicted this.

 

[mkess101]

Even if I grant you that context is important (which again is iffy because that all comes down to personal bias), it never overrides the official result of a fight. Even if I grant you that it is important, I don’t think it can ever be *more* important than the actual result. And then to top everything off, the context argument here, with this specific fight, is moot because we’re looking at a unanimous decision— not split, not majority, so you don’t have any leeway here. It’s pretty cut and dry. The fans are just in their feelings because they wanted him to lose and they don’t like what the judges were looking for that night. Under the same context, no one is ever going to try to legitimately argue that a similar win is actually a loss (see GSP vs Hendricks (unless you’re willing to consider that fight to be a loss due to “context,” we’re not even going to go there)).


Yeah, I’m glad we agree. Aspinall losing here is not a good look. It doesn’t “mean nothing” like you and people in here are trying to suggest. He’s supposed to finish or dominate Gane if he’s even remotely as good as they say. Going life and death with him or losing means that he is on the same level as the guy who couldn’t last a round with an old Jones.

The context can be "as important" is what I said. And why ignore the media scorecards? You conveniently only cite fans and their "feelings". Media members that follow the sport and likely know it better than Chris fucking Lee LMAO were about 2-1 that Reyes won.

I never said it "meant nothing". I said if people try to base what would happen or who's better between two fighters on ONE common opponent, they're morons. Be it this or any other matchup. It sounds like you're in that moron camp. Your choice. Do you really need me to list all the times when the better guy happened to have a bad night and lose or not look great? I didn't realize you were one of those low IQ drooling dolts that try to take the result of one fight and make it mean more than it does. Had I known, probably would've wasted far less time on this.