Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[ShadowRun]

 

[ShadowRun]

No im refuting it because you're argument is illogical.

Absolutely false. Training is what gives you the skills to cope with the effects of combat and regulate under pressure. Your claim that training and preparedness has no effect on how stressful a situation can be is insane.


Being thrown into a potentionally violent scenario with no training where you may need to hurt or even use lethal force against US citizens while also risking life altering punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. That is the correct framing of this situation and it is extremely stressful.

But im sure from an outsider perspective of someone who didn't even know the difference between a Marine and a soldier knows much better than people who are the middle of this situation.

Military is 24x7 not just when a uniform is on

 

[AmonTobin]

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Military is 24x7 not just when a uniform is on

Correct. That has literally nothing to do with what I said

 

[SKYNET]

Your claim that training and preparedness has no effect on how stressful a situation can be is insane.

Not actually my claim (never said it has NO effect) but I will grant you that and ask you to justify the high numbers of PTSD from US armed forces combat veterans. You know, that part you seem to want to avoid?

thrown into a potentionally violent scenario with no training where you may need to hurt or even use lethal force against US citizens while also risking life altering punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

That is the correct framing of this situation and it is extremely stressful.

"Potentially violent" = not as stressful as facing a trained enemy whose main protocol is to use actual violence to end your life, was my point

But im sure from an outsider perspective of someone who didn't even know the difference between a Marine and a soldier knows much better than people who are the middle of this situation.

Oh wow I should back off and make an appeal to authority? When have authorities ever got shit wrong in our lifetime?
It should be easy for you to debunk my actual claim (more stress vs less stress) instead of focusing on semantics or wanting to draw a similar comparison between being at home facing potentially violent scenarios against unruly civilians armed with stones and m80's vs being on a foreign land, facing actual violence, against an army with a singular goal to end your life.

 

[SKYNET]

Hey you're up early! @ColemanwastheGOAT

Funny you mention JB Pritzker... The Oligarch. Right @44nutman ?

You seem to love pushing oligarch propaganda here in this thread

 

[avenue94]

We will continue to disagree. I don’t consider rounding up illegals as “state violence.”

Rounding up people based on racial profiling is illegal. Not to mention you are ignoring the broader context of this administration disappearing people to other countries to terrorize opponents, blatantly abusing the justice system to go after rival politicians in a manner we haven't seen in modern America, and so much more.

If any of this shit was happening in another country, we'd be calling it state sanctioned terror and repression.

You and I also know there's no way to do mass deportations of the scale Trump wants without gross civil rights violations and sweeping up a lot of actual citizens or innocent people.

National guard is fine as they are used for domestic emergency situations and this qualifies with the riots.

It plainly does not meet the standard of previous national guard deployments. Riots have been small, as have been the protesters, and we're talking a police department bigger than most foreign militaries. Come on, championship riots after sporting wins are frequently more disastrous.

And no one besides illegal aliens have been put into any type of camp.

ICE and law enforcement frequently arrest the wrong people, there's no way around that in operations of this scale and haste. Have you already forgotten again that the administration has frequently ignored legal rulings in order to disappear US residents to other countries? Don't tell you me you think they turned a leaf and are doing things by the book now.

I don’t like the round ups at Home Depot and construction sites and farms. That is ridiculous but much of what trump dies is ridiculous

And yet you are defending the ridiculous and abusive because of your own biases.

Edit: Given I know a few of the photographers working the protests and have seen them being targeted, that's another issue.

 

[MacGregor]

 

[avenue94]

I would assume the number of protestors is much higher than the numbers of NG and local authorities. If this is the case what would be the alternative, beyond expecting Karen Bass and Newsome to handle keeping their communities from burning to the ground... again?

Between the LAPD and LASD, there are almost 20,000 sworn officers. That's larger than any of the protests recently.

 

[Rational Poster]

Not actually my claim (never said it has NO effect) but I will grant you that and ask you to justify the high numbers of PTSD from US armed forces combat veterans. You know, that part you seem to want to avoid?


"Potentially violent" = not as stressful as facing a trained enemy whose main protocol is to use actual violence to end your life, was my point


Oh wow I should back off and make an appeal to authority? When have authorities ever got shit wrong in our lifetime?
It should be easy for you to debunk my actual claim (more stress vs less stress) instead of focusing on semantics or wanting to draw a similar comparison between being at home facing potentially violent scenarios against unruly civilians armed with stones and m80's vs being on a foreign land, facing actual violence, against an army with a singular goal to end your life.

Lmao complain semantics while making a semantic argument from the start. That's so cute.

He never claimed one job was more or less stressful than the other try reading what other people say. Only that Marines being deployed to police the citizens they're sworn to protect is a stressful situation.

 

[DoctorTaco]

No foreign governments in Europe that have taken in a lot of 3rd World immigrants are speaking out against Trump on this issue. I think they are considering this deportation option as well?

Sure. The problem is there is a soup of several different issues all coming together and both sides like to conflate the positives while ignoring the negative.

We have peaceful protests, rioting and looting, the deportation of illegal immigrants using the same process and system we always have, snatching people up without any constitutional protections, good cops, bad cops, the national guard, the fucking marines, it’s a proper goat rodeo.

Folks like to pick and choose what to focus on to further their (or their sided) narrative. Aging liberal hippy douche will point out marines, bad cops, peaceful protests, kidnapping optics from guys with no ID and ignore the rest. Pissed off white trash redneck maga guy wants to highlight riots and looting, legal/ethical deportations, good cops, national guard, while ignoring the rest.

 

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[SKYNET]

Lmao complain semantics while making a semantic argument from the start. That's so cute.

He never claimed one job was more or less stressful than the other try reading what other people say. Only that Marines being deployed to police the citizens they're sworn to protect is a stressful situation.

I made the claim, perhaps you should adjust your bot settings so you can absorb the proper context before you make a worse fool of yourself than has already been established

 

[ShadowRun]

Between the LAPD and LASD, there are almost 20,000 sworn officers. That's larger than any of the protests recently.

Why did they impose a curfew ?

 

[ShadowRun]

The dems just want to keep losing , lol

 

[AmonTobin]

Just heard the Walton family (WalMart) is funding several millions towards this specific protest.

Just heard Oracle, Coinbase, Palantir, and Amazon have all signed on as “landmark corporate commitments” to the military Parade.

Trump’s Military Parade Will Be Brought to You by Big Tech ​

https://gizmodo.com/trumps-military-parade-will-be-brought-to-you-by-big-tech-2000614990


You're free to Boycott Walmart if the full page #NOKINGSDAY newspaper ad made you uncomfortable but let's be clear:

“Christy has provided no funding to organizations or individuals involved in the demonstrations in Los Angeles or other cities, nor has she provided any funding to those organizing the upcoming events,” the spokesperson said in a statement. “Her interest is simply in encouraging people to listen to one another, participate in their communities, and productively engage on the issues they care about.”

Walmart heiress funds anti-Trump ad​

https://thehill.com/business/5346601-walmart-heiress-calls-for-protests-against-trump/

 

[Rational Poster]

I made the claim, perhaps you should adjust your bot settings so you can absorb the proper context before you make a worse fool of yourself than has already been established

Yeah but like, what's the fucking point? Both situations suck for a Marine for different reasons.

You're being pedantic as hell. lmao

Why deliberately put them into the situation to begin with when it's obviously not even necessary?

 

[SKYNET]

Just heard Oracle, Coinbase, Palantir, and Amazon have all signed on as “landmark corporate commitments” to the military Parade.

You're free to Boycott Walmart if the full page #NOKINGSDAY newspaper ad made you uncomfortable.

Way ahead of you, I've personally avoided doing business with WalMart for several years now.

Now get back on your knees and continue being a useful idiot for the Pritzker and Walton families

 

[Osculater]

You go girl!

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Holy fucking shit