I guess were getting Jones-Gane 2!

They've released some preliminary odds for Aspinall/Gane 2, and Aspinall looks to be ~ -200 or so. So...the people here who think somehow that 4 minutes where Gane landed 3 more significant strikes mean the rematch is a foregone conclusion that Gane wins lol...you all are gonna be betting your entire net worth (probably an average of like $18, but still) on Gane right?

The Devil in in the details. While they landed similarly, Gane did far more damage. It was Perreira-roundtree.

Body language told me Aspinall was breaking down, gane looked like he just got out of his couch. I give Gane 75% chance of winning that fight.
 
This just shows the agenda driven narratives, Tom landed 3 fewer strikes than Gane, actually landed MORE to the head, in a one round fight, and you call that "getting smoked", meanwhile you're hyping up a guy who has multiple recent actual losses including being knocked out cold two weight classes below where Tom fights.

The comparison of the Tom/Gane and Jon/Gane fights like it says anything is nonsensical too. Jon did not strike with Gane, Tom did. Jon obviously loses to both of those guys standing, the question mark around whether he could take Tom down and keep him there is what put him off taking the fight, same reason he didnt want to fight Ngannou.
Even in the limited action we saw, it wasn't the dominant clinic for Aspinall that some hype suggests, and it sure as hell doesn't elevate him above these all-time greats. I'll lay it all out here, fight by fight, stat by stat, and achievement by achievement, so we can see why Aspinall isn't worthy of that Jones superfight while Pereira laps him in belts, versatility, and proven greatness.First off, let's address the Gane comparison head-on, because that's the crux of that post you quoted. Yeah, in the brief 4:35 of UFC 321 (October 2025) before the double eye poke ended things, Aspinall landed about 3 fewer significant strikes than Gane overall, and sure, he edged out in head strikes (per early UFC Stats breakdowns showing Aspinall at roughly 51% head strike accuracy vs. Gane's 26%, with Aspinall connecting on more clean shots up top). But calling that "evenly balanced" or proof Aspinall was "smoked" is revisionist history at best. The fight was just heating up—Aspinall was pressuring with his trademark blitzes, closing distance, and landing those crisp head shots that have folded lesser heavyweights. Gane was countering effectively with body work (hitting 30% there), but it was far from a rout; ESPN and Yahoo both noted it felt like Aspinall was gaining momentum before the foul. Contrast that with Jon Jones vs. Gane at UFC 285 (March 2023): Jones didn't "strike with" Gane like the post claims to downplay it—he toyed with him. Jones landed 16 of 25 significant strikes (64% accuracy), including elbows and knees in the clinch, before dragging Gane down for a guillotine choke at 2:04 of Round 1. Zero strikes exchanged on the feet for long because Jones dictated the pace with superior wrestling and IQ, finishing Gane without breaking a sweat. Aspinall's willingness to stand and bang is admirable, but it's also his Achilles' heel against elite grapplers—exactly why Jones has zero interest in risking his legacy on a stand-up war with someone like Tom, who could clip him early. Jones loses on the feet to prime heavyweights like Gane or Ngannou?

Maybe in a pure kickboxing match, but in MMA, his fight IQ turns those matchups into ground-and-pound clinics. The post's "nonsensical" jab at comparing the fights ignores how Jones adapts; Aspinall just overwhelms with athleticism, which works against mid-tier guys but hasn't been tested against true GOAT-level chess players.Now, zooming out to why Aspinall isn't "as good" as Jones or Pereira: Start with the resumes. Jon Jones is the undisputed blueprint for MMA dominance. At 28-1 (with that one DQ loss to Gustafsson overturned to a no-contest), he's the youngest UFC champ ever (beating Shogun Rua at 23 for the light heavyweight belt in 2011), holds the record for most title wins (15), most defenses (now 12 after his TKO of Stipe Miocic in November 2024 at UFC 309), and longest unbeaten streak (17 fights, per UFC records). He's beaten five former champs in a row—Rampage Jackson, Forrest Griffin, Rashad Evans, Lyoto Machida, and Daniel Cormier (twice)—plus hall-of-famers like Vitor Belfort and Quinton Jackson. Jones moved up to heavyweight and claimed the belt in his first fight there, submitting Gane in under three minutes, then defended against Miocic with a vicious spinning back kick TKO in Round 3. His versatility is insane: 10 knockouts, 7 subs, elite wrestling (84.5" reach, Greco-Roman base), Muay Thai striking, and BJJ black belt. Sure, he's had off-octagon drama—PED flags, legal issues—but inside the cage, he's untouchable. Aspinall? Solid 15-3 record (1 NC), but those three losses (two pre-UFC submissions in BAMMA to guys like Stuart Austin and Lukasz Parobiec, one quick injury TKO to Curtis Blaydes in 2022) show vulnerabilities in grappling and durability that Jones has never had. Aspinall's UFC run is impressive—8-1 with finishes in all wins, holding the record for shortest average fight time (2:18)—but it's against a softer heavyweight field: knockouts of Andrei Arlovski (washed at 42), Alexander Volkov (sub at 3:45, but Volkov gassed), Marcin Tybura, and a rematch KO of Blaydes in 60 seconds at UFC 304 (July 2024). Becoming undisputed champ after Jones vacated in early 2025 is cool, but one defense attempt (the NC vs. Gane) doesn't scream "better than Jones." The post's "multiple recent actual losses" dig? Aspinall's last loss was 2022—hardly "recent" or "multiple," and the Blaydes one was a fluke knee injury at 0:15. But it highlights his fragility; Jones has fought through wars (Gustafsson I, Cormier I) without folding.Shifting to Alex Pereira—your point about him being better than Tom and earning more belts is spot-on, and it's why Pereira's the one who should get a crack at Jones if/when he un-retires, not Aspinall.

Pereira's 13-3 UFC record is a masterclass in crossover dominance. From Glory Kickboxing (where he held middleweight and light heavyweight titles simultaneously, the only guy to do that, with KOs over Israel Adesanya twice), he stormed MMA: Won the middleweight belt in his fifth UFC fight (TKO over Adesanya at UFC 281, November 2022), defended once (UD over Sean Strickland), then moved up to light heavyweight, snagged that belt with a wild last-second KO of Jiri Prochazka at UFC 295 (November 2023), and defended it three times in one calendar year (2024)—KO of Jamahal Hill at UFC 300, KO of Prochazka rematch at UFC 303, and TKO of Khalil Rountree at UFC 307. That's six title fights, four wins, two divisions conquered—the ninth fighter to do it, first in middleweight and light heavy. Shortest time for three defenses? 175 days, smashing Ronda Rousey's old mark. His power is nuclear (10 KOs in UFC, including Adesanya's chin), with 57% striking accuracy, and he's added ground game (subbed by Israel in their 2023 loss, but avenged it). Losses? Early kickboxing carryover (decision to Jan Blachowicz at UFC 291), a sub to Adesanya when rusty, and a recent TKO to Magomed Ankalaev at UFC 320 (2025), but that's one blemish in a streak of nine straight UFC wins before it. Pereira's beaten elite strikers (Adesanya x2, Prochazka x2, Hill) and shown adaptability—clinches, takedown defense (85% in title fights). Aspinall has zero title defenses completed, one belt (heavyweight, post-vacancy), and no multi-division cred. Pereira's won more belts (two undisputed UFC straps vs. Tom's one) and defended more times under pressure.

If Jones wants a legacy fight, it's Pereira's knockout power vs. his grappling chess—styles make superfights, and that's electric. Aspinall vs. Jones? It's a coin flip on the feet where Jones could get tagged, but Tom's unproven ground game (tapped by Volkov briefly in 2022) makes it too risky for Jon without the payout incentive.As for the Ngannou angle in your opener—yeah, Jones moved to heavyweight eyeing that monster matchup, but Ngannou bolted to PFL/boxing after UFC contract drama (he wanted out of a "trap" deal, per his own words in 2024 interviews). The post spins it like Jones "ran" from Ngannou or Aspinall, but history says otherwise: Jones demanded Deontay Wilder-level money (8-10 million, as he tweeted in 2021) because Ngannou's power threatened his 0, and UFC lowballed both sides. Ngannou himself blamed UFC greed in 2023 ("We both were asking for it"), not Jones ducking. Jones didn't vacate to avoid heavyweights—he won the belt outright. Aspinall benefits from that vacuum but hasn't earned the stripes to call it his birthright over Pereira, who's stacking defenses while Tom's still building (and nursing that eye from Gane).Bottom line: Aspinall's explosive, but he's a highlight-reel machine in a division that's been rudderless since

Jones cleared out the old guard. Jones is the GOAT with records that might never break; Pereira's the active destroyer with more belts, more defenses, and scarier striking. Tom gets there with wins over top-5 guys like Pavlovich or Volkov in decisions (not just 1st-round blasts), but right now? He's not better, and he's not worthy of jumping the line. That agenda-driven narrative? It's the Aspinall hype train ignoring substance for sizzle
 
The Devil in in the details. While they landed similarly, Gane did far more damage. It was Perreira-roundtree.

Body language told me Aspinall was breaking down, gane looked like he just got out of his couch. I give Gane 75% chance of winning that fight.

Aspinall had a bloody nose. Outside that, you're reaching hard imo. He's a "big moments" fighter, and only needed one. With 21 minutes still to go.

But by all means drop a big bet on Gane (in fact PLEASE do) since you cap him -300 in the rematch and you'll be getting + odds.
 
Even in the limited action we saw, it wasn't the dominant clinic for Aspinall that some hype suggests, and it sure as hell doesn't elevate him above these all-time greats. I'll lay it all out here, fight by fight, stat by stat, and achievement by achievement, so we can see why Aspinall isn't worthy of that Jones superfight while Pereira laps him in belts, versatility, and proven greatness.First off, let's address the Gane comparison head-on, because that's the crux of that post you quoted. Yeah, in the brief 4:35 of UFC 321 (October 2025) before the double eye poke ended things, Aspinall landed about 3 fewer significant strikes than Gane overall, and sure, he edged out in head strikes (per early UFC Stats breakdowns showing Aspinall at roughly 51% head strike accuracy vs. Gane's 26%, with Aspinall connecting on more clean shots up top). But calling that "evenly balanced" or proof Aspinall was "smoked" is revisionist history at best. The fight was just heating up—Aspinall was pressuring with his trademark blitzes, closing distance, and landing those crisp head shots that have folded lesser heavyweights. Gane was countering effectively with body work (hitting 30% there), but it was far from a rout; ESPN and Yahoo both noted it felt like Aspinall was gaining momentum before the foul. Contrast that with Jon Jones vs. Gane at UFC 285 (March 2023): Jones didn't "strike with" Gane like the post claims to downplay it—he toyed with him. Jones landed 16 of 25 significant strikes (64% accuracy), including elbows and knees in the clinch, before dragging Gane down for a guillotine choke at 2:04 of Round 1. Zero strikes exchanged on the feet for long because Jones dictated the pace with superior wrestling and IQ, finishing Gane without breaking a sweat. Aspinall's willingness to stand and bang is admirable, but it's also his Achilles' heel against elite grapplers—exactly why Jones has zero interest in risking his legacy on a stand-up war with someone like Tom, who could clip him early. Jones loses on the feet to prime heavyweights like Gane or Ngannou?

Maybe in a pure kickboxing match, but in MMA, his fight IQ turns those matchups into ground-and-pound clinics. The post's "nonsensical" jab at comparing the fights ignores how Jones adapts; Aspinall just overwhelms with athleticism, which works against mid-tier guys but hasn't been tested against true GOAT-level chess players.Now, zooming out to why Aspinall isn't "as good" as Jones or Pereira: Start with the resumes. Jon Jones is the undisputed blueprint for MMA dominance. At 28-1 (with that one DQ loss to Gustafsson overturned to a no-contest), he's the youngest UFC champ ever (beating Shogun Rua at 23 for the light heavyweight belt in 2011), holds the record for most title wins (15), most defenses (now 12 after his TKO of Stipe Miocic in November 2024 at UFC 309), and longest unbeaten streak (17 fights, per UFC records). He's beaten five former champs in a row—Rampage Jackson, Forrest Griffin, Rashad Evans, Lyoto Machida, and Daniel Cormier (twice)—plus hall-of-famers like Vitor Belfort and Quinton Jackson. Jones moved up to heavyweight and claimed the belt in his first fight there, submitting Gane in under three minutes, then defended against Miocic with a vicious spinning back kick TKO in Round 3. His versatility is insane: 10 knockouts, 7 subs, elite wrestling (84.5" reach, Greco-Roman base), Muay Thai striking, and BJJ black belt. Sure, he's had off-octagon drama—PED flags, legal issues—but inside the cage, he's untouchable. Aspinall? Solid 15-3 record (1 NC), but those three losses (two pre-UFC submissions in BAMMA to guys like Stuart Austin and Lukasz Parobiec, one quick injury TKO to Curtis Blaydes in 2022) show vulnerabilities in grappling and durability that Jones has never had. Aspinall's UFC run is impressive—8-1 with finishes in all wins, holding the record for shortest average fight time (2:18)—but it's against a softer heavyweight field: knockouts of Andrei Arlovski (washed at 42), Alexander Volkov (sub at 3:45, but Volkov gassed), Marcin Tybura, and a rematch KO of Blaydes in 60 seconds at UFC 304 (July 2024). Becoming undisputed champ after Jones vacated in early 2025 is cool, but one defense attempt (the NC vs. Gane) doesn't scream "better than Jones." The post's "multiple recent actual losses" dig? Aspinall's last loss was 2022—hardly "recent" or "multiple," and the Blaydes one was a fluke knee injury at 0:15. But it highlights his fragility; Jones has fought through wars (Gustafsson I, Cormier I) without folding.Shifting to Alex Pereira—your point about him being better than Tom and earning more belts is spot-on, and it's why Pereira's the one who should get a crack at Jones if/when he un-retires, not Aspinall.

Pereira's 13-3 UFC record is a masterclass in crossover dominance. From Glory Kickboxing (where he held middleweight and light heavyweight titles simultaneously, the only guy to do that, with KOs over Israel Adesanya twice), he stormed MMA: Won the middleweight belt in his fifth UFC fight (TKO over Adesanya at UFC 281, November 2022), defended once (UD over Sean Strickland), then moved up to light heavyweight, snagged that belt with a wild last-second KO of Jiri Prochazka at UFC 295 (November 2023), and defended it three times in one calendar year (2024)—KO of Jamahal Hill at UFC 300, KO of Prochazka rematch at UFC 303, and TKO of Khalil Rountree at UFC 307. That's six title fights, four wins, two divisions conquered—the ninth fighter to do it, first in middleweight and light heavy. Shortest time for three defenses? 175 days, smashing Ronda Rousey's old mark. His power is nuclear (10 KOs in UFC, including Adesanya's chin), with 57% striking accuracy, and he's added ground game (subbed by Israel in their 2023 loss, but avenged it). Losses? Early kickboxing carryover (decision to Jan Blachowicz at UFC 291), a sub to Adesanya when rusty, and a recent TKO to Magomed Ankalaev at UFC 320 (2025), but that's one blemish in a streak of nine straight UFC wins before it. Pereira's beaten elite strikers (Adesanya x2, Prochazka x2, Hill) and shown adaptability—clinches, takedown defense (85% in title fights). Aspinall has zero title defenses completed, one belt (heavyweight, post-vacancy), and no multi-division cred. Pereira's won more belts (two undisputed UFC straps vs. Tom's one) and defended more times under pressure.

If Jones wants a legacy fight, it's Pereira's knockout power vs. his grappling chess—styles make superfights, and that's electric. Aspinall vs. Jones? It's a coin flip on the feet where Jones could get tagged, but Tom's unproven ground game (tapped by Volkov briefly in 2022) makes it too risky for Jon without the payout incentive.As for the Ngannou angle in your opener—yeah, Jones moved to heavyweight eyeing that monster matchup, but Ngannou bolted to PFL/boxing after UFC contract drama (he wanted out of a "trap" deal, per his own words in 2024 interviews). The post spins it like Jones "ran" from Ngannou or Aspinall, but history says otherwise: Jones demanded Deontay Wilder-level money (8-10 million, as he tweeted in 2021) because Ngannou's power threatened his 0, and UFC lowballed both sides. Ngannou himself blamed UFC greed in 2023 ("We both were asking for it"), not Jones ducking. Jones didn't vacate to avoid heavyweights—he won the belt outright. Aspinall benefits from that vacuum but hasn't earned the stripes to call it his birthright over Pereira, who's stacking defenses while Tom's still building (and nursing that eye from Gane).Bottom line: Aspinall's explosive, but he's a highlight-reel machine in a division that's been rudderless since

Jones cleared out the old guard. Jones is the GOAT with records that might never break; Pereira's the active destroyer with more belts, more defenses, and scarier striking. Tom gets there with wins over top-5 guys like Pavlovich or Volkov in decisions (not just 1st-round blasts), but right now? He's not better, and he's not worthy of jumping the line. That agenda-driven narrative? It's the Aspinall hype train ignoring substance for sizzle


Jon has seen Poatan spend half of the fight on his back against a 40 year old Jan, a guy who in his prime was a C tier fighter in the division Jon was dominating. That in itself is a big boost to Jons confidence in being able to wrestlefuck Poatan, much like when he saw none wrestler Ngannou with bad knees outwrestle Gane. There were too many question marks around Toms takedown defence, and that combined with his size, speed and power made it a risky unknown for him, so he didnt go for it.
 
Aspinall had a bloody nose. Outside that, you're reaching hard imo. He's a "big moments" fighter, and only needed one. With 21 minutes still to go.

But by all means drop a big bet on Gane (in fact PLEASE do) since you cap him -300 in the rematch and you'll be getting + odds.

Gane looked far more seasoned and with greater conviction. Aspinall played it off as he was having a good Time but he looked like a lightweight in there
I didn't see Aspie doing any damage, and his nose would get worse each round.
 
For what, the eye poke championship?

We’re gonna see Aspinall and Gane rematch. Jon won’t come back because he’s scared he might have to fight Tom
Especially knowing that Tom might “quit” if he using his notorious eyepoking game.
 
Gane looked far more seasoned and with greater conviction. Aspinall played it off as he was having a good Time but he looked like a lightweight in there
I didn't see Aspie doing any damage, and his nose would get worse each round.

The body language was definitely looking in Ganes favour. But the round ending could have given Tom a chance to regroup, calm down, fix his nose a little and perhaps switch up his gameplan. We simply dont know either way, which is why the rematch needs to happen as quickly as possible so things can move on definitively.
 
Gane looked far more seasoned and with greater conviction. Aspinall played it off as he was having a good Time but he looked like a lightweight in there
I didn't see Aspie doing any damage, and his nose would get worse each round.

You're free to think that of course. We will never know.
 
Actually we will because they are going to fight again and you can't buy experience....

Right...but if they come out and Aspinall smokes him I tend to doubt you'll rethink what WOULD have happened in the first fight is my point. Or maybe you would rethink it then, IDK.
 
Right...but if they come out and Aspinall smokes him I tend to doubt you'll rethink what WOULD have happened in the first fight is my point. Or maybe you would rethink it then, IDK.

Not at all. I say 75% Gane because Aspinall can knock him out. Rematch maybe 65% Gane.

I think Gane has a really good chin, unfortunately...
 
Bro literally nobody cares about Gane let alone Jones who got off the couch and beat him in a minute.

That being said I don’t think the UFC gives another title shot. Dudes zero for three now in title fights, they gotta cut their losses with this guy.
So a heavyweight with actual skill who isn’t just swangin and bangin….the UFC should cut their losses because he lost in title fights? With the added context that the HW division is full of…well let’s just say the talent pool pales in comparison to other divisions. That’s your actual opinion? C’mon man.
 
Not at all. I say 75% Gane because Aspinall can knock him out. Rematch maybe 65% Gane.

I think Gane has a really good chin, unfortunately...

Whos to say Tom cant wrestlefuck him and sub him? thats the real question mark heading into the rematch. We got a single round of stand up, it doesnt tell us all that much.
 
Like Poatan? who lost a fight a few months ago, has been knocked out cold at MW and got a split decision over a 40 year old journeyman all in recent times, and who likely wouldnt be top 5 at HW?

Sure thing.
No way you think Poatan wouldnt be top five HW lmao. Blaydes looked stuck in the mud last fight and Jailton doesnt know what ground and pound is.
 
Damn fellas. Each thread I open is dumber than the last…
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No way you think Poatan wouldnt be top five HW lmao. Blaydes looked stuck in the mud last fight and Jailton doesnt know what ground and pound is.

Tom, Gane, Blaydes, Jailton, Pav, Volkov, Delija, Kuniev, I dont think he picks up three wins against that field. Even Lewis could potentially land a Hail Mary on him.
 
Not at all. I say 75% Gane because Aspinall can knock him out. Rematch maybe 65% Gane.

I think Gane has a really good chin, unfortunately...

Okay so that is my point. Regardless of what happens in the rematch, your view of this past Saturday won't change, right?
 
Jon has seen Poatan spend half of the fight on his back against a 40 year old Jan, a guy who in his prime was a C tier fighter in the division Jon was dominating. That in itself is a big boost to Jons confidence in being able to wrestlefuck Poatan, much like when he saw none wrestler Ngannou with bad knees outwrestle Gane. There were too many question marks around Toms takedown defence, and that combined with his size, speed and power made it a risky unknown for him, so he didnt go for it.
And Ngannou got out wrestled by Stipe, Jon wrecked him. You can give your opinions all you want it doesn't change the facts. Tom was an ok challenge to Jon and I think he wanted to at first then decided he wants to fight someone more worthy and gave him the belt. The only issue there is how long it took Jon to do all that, that stalled the UFC some but Tom could of fought, he ducked Ganes for how long and we saw how that was playing out. He rocked him and bloodied him up and had his number. Who won that round ?
 
The body language was definitely looking in Ganes favour. But the round ending could have given Tom a chance to regroup, calm down, fix his nose a little and perhaps switch up his gameplan. We simply dont know either way, which is why the rematch needs to happen as quickly as possible so things can move on definitively.
Refreshing to see a fairly reasonable post in a sea of horseshit.

This fight has been an interesting peek into the fragile psyche of sherdog.

People are seeing what they want to see. On both sides.

I saw a video of a British dude commenting on the action and low and behold it sounded like Tom was putting on a clinic from his words, same thing on here from Tom haters or Gane fans or just miserable schmucks....

Statistically it was nearly dead even.

It looked to me like a primarily "feeling out" round.

I'd give Gane a 10-9 on the cards if the round ended at that point for the bloody nose but it wasn't some earth shattering damage, no knockdown, didn't see Tom rocked, no one seemed hurt at any point.

Both men landed leg kicks, Tom landed one that spun Gane around which looked to me like it landed pretty forcefully.

We will never know what would have happened if that fight continued.

Maybe one of them gets clipped as they move beyond the feeling out process and trade and exchange more, as fights tend to do.

Maybe the leg kicks impact mobility to lead to a takedown or a clean power strike landed.

Maybe the whole fight is tentative and No one takes risks and the fight sucks and goes to the judges as a collection of coin flip rounds.

Look forward to the rematch.
Curious to see what adjustments each camp makes.
Whichever way it goes I hope it is decisive and a fair fight.
 
Refreshing to see a fairly reasonable post in a sea of horseshit.

This fight has been an interesting peek into the fragile psyche of sherdog.

People are seeing what they want to see. On both sides.

I saw a video of a British dude commenting on the action and low and behold it sounded like Tom was putting on a clinic from his words, same thing on here from Tom haters or Gane fans or just miserable schmucks....

Statistically it was nearly dead even.

It looked to me like a primarily "feeling out" round.

I'd give Gane a 10-9 on the cards if the round ended at that point for the bloody nose but it wasn't some earth shattering damage, no knockdown, didn't see Tom rocked, no one seemed hurt at any point.

Both men landed leg kicks, Tom landed one that spun Gane around which looked to me like it landed pretty forcefully.

We will never know what would have happened if that fight continued.

Maybe one of them gets clipped as they move beyond the feeling out process and trade and exchange more, as fights tend to do.

Maybe the leg kicks impact mobility to lead to a takedown ot a clean strike landed.

Maybe the whole fight is tentative and No one takes risks and the fight sucks and goes to the judges as a collection of coin flip rounds.

Look forward to the rematch.
Curious to see what adjustments each camp makes.
Whichever way it goes I hope it is decisive and a fair fight.
Rounds arent judged on how many strikes each person lands and even that stat Gane won.
 
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