International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war.

[moosaev]

This is a pretty fucked up post. Hopefully you know why.

Boo hoo

 

[tramendous]

And that would be a no fuck that.

I was for trying to get rid of the illegal settlements made since but no to the pte 1967 borders and I don't blame Israel a bit for that.

The only way to start peace is with a wall that separated them and seal it with no doors. Make it at the borders now.

who enforces said wall? thats the problem, Israel isn't being held to account for anything. Every president that comes to power has to basically swear support for Israel.

 

[Rod1]

You are both literally decades behind the times. Palestine has zero support from any of their neighbors because they know who is backing Israel. They understand it's a losing cause.

Israel has an army as powerful as Iran with nuclear power. They are also backed by America (the world's super power) and other western nations. The gulf states are providing olive branches to Israel for years now.

tbh you both seem very unaware of the current situation

Jordan literally waged a civil war against the PLO, they don't back Palestinians because Palestinians cause trouble for their regimes.

 

[nonoob]

Here is who we need to send over there asap

Serious ?
That Bud Light dude has already caused enough damn problems !

 

[Siver!]

Sadly there's quite a few posters like that. It's pretty normal as evidenced by the other war thread.

There's but one rule:

If you're a foreign soldier attacking within another country, you're fair game.

If you're a foreign soldier, the other country's soldiers trying to kill you are fair game.

Nobody else is even trying to play the game.

They're never fair game.

 

[7even]

I wonder how easy it would be to bomb the Taliban crossing Iraq. No rough, mountainous terrain to protect them. Too bad we don’t have military bases there.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Government in Cairo does not want to rock the boat and thus maintains peace with Israel and good relations whit the US. IIRC they get a fairly decent aid package annually just like Israel does.

I was in Egypt not long ago. It is pretty close to a failed state IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mass uprising there. Probably whatever aid they are getting is the only thing keeping heads above water.

 

[Halge]

Palestine is not just gaza though. They are occupying West Bank which is the majority of Palestine.

See thread. Israel is not "occupying the west bank". Israel is occupying Area C of the west bank, which is a small area geographically speaking, and an area where Israelis are the majority population. And the occupation of Area C is in accordance with the Oslo accords, signed by the State of Palestine. The idea is that Area C is to be gradually transferred into palestinian hands, as tensions de-escalate*. Which is not happening as long as palestinans fire rockets into Tel Aviv, launch jihadist attacks on border settlements et cetera simply to keep the conflict going.

*Israel has proven time and time again to be a good-faith negotiation partner, and has ceded numerous regions in the past. So it is not unrealistic that Israel would eventually actually cede the west bank (see Wye River, 2005 withdrawal from Gaza, Sinai Peninsula et cetera. Israel has already ceded parts of Area C to Area A & B post-Oslo Accord. Area C has been reduced from 72 percent of the West Bank, to currently around 60 percent). Assuming the palestinians can consistently act a little less genocidally.

 

[Rod1]

The fact that Israel has business relationships all over the world comes down to the clout of America. America strong arms any country or institution that ponders exacting a price on Israel economically or diplomatically, they do this across all the non-aligned countries not just Arab countries. You have no idea how hard Israel and america try to normalize Israel, it’s incredibly hard. Now imagine if they commit genocide.

This is beyond retarded, im sure for muslims the conflict over there is the most important thing ever to happen, but the vast majority of the world wouldn't even be able to pinpoint Israel on a map.

The reason why the world does business with Israel is because Israel has invested a lot in developing products that the world likes, they have a massive weapons industry, tons of IT business and irrigation technology.

 

[moosaev]

There's but one rule:

If you're a foreign soldier attacking within another country, you're fair game.

If you're a foreign soldier, the other country's soldiers trying to kill you are fair game.

Nobody else is even trying to play the game.

They're never fair game.

This is naive. The much weaker party will never defeat the much stronger via conventional means, asymmetric warfare is their only choice. When a people are fighting for their very survival they won’t be constrained by rules. Every single avenue of resistance has been cut off from Palestinians, if they protest they’re shot and beaten, if they call for economic boycotts they’re called anti-Semitic, and if they attack Israel they’re called terrorists. People just expect them to die in a corner.

 

[Siver!]

This is beyond retarded, im sure for muslims the conflict over there is the most important thing ever to happen, but the vast majority of the world wouldn't even be able to pinpoint Israel on a map.

The reason why the world does business with Israel is because Israel has invested a lot in developing products that the world likes, they have a massive weapons industry, tons of IT business and irrigation technology.

Diamonds and tourism are massive earners in Israel.

 

[moosaev]

This is beyond retarded, im sure for muslims the conflict over there is the most important thing ever to happen, but the vast majority of the world wouldn't even be able to pinpoint Israel on a map.

The reason why the world does business with Israel is because Israel has invested a lot in developing products that the world likes, they have a massive weapons industry, tons of IT business and irrigation technology.

Listen up dummy, business is constrained by government, not the other way around. Without America’s protection international government bodies can easily impose economic sanctions on Israel that do not allow companies to deal with them, that’s what happened to South Africa despite the US and UK trying to protect them for decades.

 

[Smokes]

Diamonds and tourism are massive earners in Israel.

blood diamonds?

 

[The Diplomat]

Listen up dummy, business is constrained by government, not the other way around. Without America’s protection international government bodies can easily impose economic sanctions on Israel that do not allow companies to deal with them, that’s what happened to South Africa despite the US and UK trying to protect them for decades.

Question - has Israel ever tried to expand outside of their given borders?

 

[Siver!]

blood diamonds?

Cut diamonds are a fifth of all export value.

 

[Rod1]

Listen up dummy, business is constrained by government, not the other way around. Without America’s protection international government bodies can easily impose economic sanctions on Israel that do not allow companies to deal with them, that’s what happened to South Africa despite the US and UK trying to protect them for decades.

China is doing worse to the Uyghur Muslim population and yet the world, including the muslim world, does business with China.

The vast majority of countries will do business with any other country that makes such business profitable, as i pointed out, from the perspective of a muslim this may be the worst thing ever to happen, for the rest of the world is a tiny piece of land with awful shit going on, like the other dozens of similar conflicts.

Azerbaijan and Turkey fucked Armenians hard recently and nobody even lifted a finger.

 

[PUO3]

for instance @PUO3 clearly calls out Biden giving 6 billion, but you completely dismissed that. Maybe you all should get on the same page before yelling at people

You think because were mods we have to share the same political views…?

 

[kflo]

Boo hoo

You really should reevaluate your positions and how you express them. Saying boo hoo for innocent civilians murdered intentionally and in cold blood is sick. Sickening.

 

[nonoob]

Netanyahu has announced that the Security Council has approved the destruction of the military and governmental capabilities of Hamas.


Those paraglider dudes better check that lawnmower spark plug and refuel quick.

 

[The Diplomat]

You think because were mods we have to share the same political views…?

It's well known that all Sherdog mods go to the same country club.