International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. III

[Rational Poster]

“their country” is a crock of shit lmao it’s A country that both groups have claim to. one of those groups is continuing to push the other out with violence & trillions of dollars of support from the west in blatant violation of decades-old agreements. the other group is shooting fireworks at them and getting carpet bombed into oblivion for it.

No, both countries had a claim to it. The Palestinians surrendered their internationally recognized claim and opted to go with conquest and failed. They lost the war and their claim.

 

[SammyPops]

You're totally correct! It's beautiful there, I don't know what they're complaining about!

What a beautiful spot! Very quaint, like Detroit!

and they will not care b/c the people trapped there are subhuman to them. they re all hamas terrorists, especially the babies and grandmothers.

 

[tastaylvr]

Lucky the world didn't listen to the likes of you when Isis was in full power, we'd still be watching videos of people being beheaded in orange jumpsuits.

What are you even talking about?

Isis was created after Syria/Iraq were destabilized by the US. Did ISIS ever operate outside of those countries? Who were they beheading exactly? ISIS were basically a civil war group trying to fight for control of the land. What did destroying ISIS achieve? Absolutely nothing. Both countries are still fucked with multiple groups vying for power.

It's comical to think that killing Hamas is even a normal goal. Hamas has close to 25k members. Israel kills 10-100 civilians per Hamas death. If I am being generous and 250k civilians died to wipe out Hamas, what would be result? An even worse organization created to avenge those 250k dead members.

Can you imagine if Afghanistan ever became a super power and they wanted revenge on America? They decided to just Nuke Washington DC to kill all the leaders. Is it fine to kill 700k civilians to wipe out the American leadership? What would happen if they were not all their and they needed to throw a few more bombs at a few different cities to get them all? is it justified? That's what you and everyone else is essentially arguing at the moment.

 

[SammyPops]

No, both countries had a claim to it. The Palestinians surrendered their internationally recognized claim and opted to go with conquest and failed. They lost the war and their claim.

Like the indigenous of NA when they fought back against colonialism or does your rule only apply to Israel?

and if it only applies to Israel, dont feel like a hypocrite as lots of laws, history, definition of words apply specially to Israel.

 

[Rational Poster]

Like the indigenous of NA when they fought back against colonialism or does your rule only apply to Israel?

and if it only applies to Israel, dont feel like a hypocrite as lots of laws, history, definition of words apply specially to Israel.

???

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Why do they murder civilians en masse?

What do you think Israel will negotiate with Hamas to the benefit of the Palestinian people?

there’s probably no way israel & hamas specifically could ever have a meaningful negotiation that satisfies either party. hamas isn’t palestine though. i do think hamas could essentially create enough of a humanitarian crisis that prompts pro-palestinian intervention & legislative change.

 

[tastaylvr]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...nicef-netanyahu-rejects-ceasefire/ar-AA1j3SJC

At this point, and after their own goverment minister has openly stated it is the job of the UN and Israel to protect Gazan civilians lives, I'd say it's a virtual certainty that it was Hamas itself that bombed the highway leading to the south when Gazans first attempted to evacuate following Israeli warnings instructing them to do so.

Hamas isn't just terrorizing Israelis, it's terrorizing its own people, and yet there are still "Palestinians" like that cunt Nerdeen Kiswani who go onto Piers Morgan and openly support them.

We have been through this already since the start. Human shields according to your definition are used more by Israel.

Israel literally pulls kids next to them and fires their weapons behind them. Hamas just live next to the area so they need to be "bombed".

Also lol@u conflating a separate issue then coming to a conclusion about a different topic altogether

"hur dur hamas use human shields so they must have bombed the hospital" jfc man

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

No, both countries had a claim to it. The Palestinians surrendered their internationally recognized claim and opted to go with conquest and failed. They lost the war and their claim.

you know there were multiple new deals and lines drawn after that war right?

 

[kflo]

there’s probably no way israel & hamas specifically could ever have a meaningful negotiation that satisfies either party. hamas isn’t palestine though. i do think hamas could essentially create enough of a humanitarian crisis that prompts pro-palestinian intervention & legislative change.

You think hamas is trying to do that? Their hostages are to ……um…..create a humanitarian crisis?

 

[Rational Poster]

you know there were multiple new deals and lines drawn after that war right?

And they deserved zero.

As recently as the 90s, the PLO was granted nearly every concession possible and they still shit on it anyway.

 

[chardog]

Of course that term is ridiculous. Case in point: We have over 200 Norwegian citizens in Gaza right now. Why are they there? Well, they're there because people come here from various problematic places around the world (the vast majority of which, for some peculiar but of course totally random reason, are Muslim majority) and claim that they can't live in their home countries because they might get killed and so on, so they have to live in Norway. So we say "oh, alrighty then" and let them stay and give them housing, food, education, kindergarten and so on. And then when they have a Norwegian passport and Norwegian money (welfare/early pension in most cases), they often want to travel and visit other places. And where do they go? They go right back to where they said they could not live because their lives were in danger there.

So now more than 200 of these new Norwegian citizens on holiday in the, cough, "open air prison" of Gaza are stranded there, and they no longer want to be there because their local government went to war against Israel and Israel struck back, so the fun and games are over. No more joyous celebrations in the street over torturing Jewish children to death. So they're demanding that the Norwegian government immediately help them get back to Norway, and I'm pretty sure we'll soon be hearing cries of "oppression" if it's not quickly sorted out for them.

 

[Andy Capp]

I did not listen to that

CBC Canada tonight:
1st sotry focusing on what IDF may face in Gaza
2nd story Bibi justifying ground war
3rd story: Canadian families presuring the feds to do more to release jewish-canadian hostages.

Stopped watching b/c I am off to the gym before the Raiders game but this is pretty standard.

CBC might get to the Palestinain at some point tonight but not hitting lead off that is for sure.

Of course you didn't. It runs counter to your assumptions.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

You think hamas is trying to do that? Their hostages are to ……um…..create a humanitarian crisis?

no i think they are probably hoping to bargain for the complete removal of israel from the region. what i would HOPE for is that the horrible violence committed on those thousands of israelis prompts some sort of intervention that benefits palestine, as blatant war crimes on 2 million palestinians hasn’t moved the needle.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

And they deserved zero.

i don’t care about your personal feelings on the matter. if you need a diary, they sell notepads for a couple bucks at walmart. israel violated almost all of those settlement deals. period.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Uhh, what?

List of synagogues in Iran - Wikipedia
List of synagogues in Egypt - Wikipedia


There's like 30 synagogues in Tehran alone.

Never been to Iran though I'd love to. So I'll take your word.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

They found her head.
Wonder how many times she was raped before they beheaded her.
But the UN refuses to label them a 'terrorist' organization.
wow.

 

[Rational Poster]

i don’t care about your personal feelings on the matter. if you need a diary, they sell notepads for a couple bucks at walmart. israel violated almost all of those settlement deals. period.

If you don't care about my feelings, why bother responding to my posts at all?

 

[SammyPops]

Of course you didn't. It runs counter to your assumptions.

no its that i am a ludite and dont know what you were taling about or how to access it. I barely understadn how to use DaZone to watch football and boxing

post al ink adn i iwll watch it

 

[Rod1]

since if they failed they would be extinct.

The British were trying to murder all Jews?

 

[The XL]

Really great idea placing the Jews in the Middle East. Really worked great. It doesn't even matter whose fault it is at this point, it's a shit show.