International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. III

[CantCucktheTuck]

Video reports to show Hamas firing on civilians fleeing children's hospital (nypost.com)

 

[Madmick]

So, according to him, Israel has changed their info and only one baby has died and there have been no rapes? Israel is saying this?

its been a while, but I thought Israel wasnt actually saying there were beheaded babies. Thats one of the biggest reasons people were saying it was propaganda, because Israel hadnt confirmed it.

Don't waste your time even addressing shitstain Tweeters like that. That guy cheerleads Imran Khan, the PM of Pakistan, who openly admits that his government forcibly converts young Hindu girls to Islam. He champions a racist tyrant as one of his personal heroes from the safety of his perch in the UK. Everything he's tweeting is unvetted bullshit.

No point in wasting your time on people like that.

 

[Rod1]

I mean Palestine isn't a country because they refused the international mandate and tried to go the conquest route instead, expect they failed.

Ok, but that's another subject entirely, you were trying to argue Palestinians aren't natives.

Native Americans never had a country either.

 

[Rod1]

I think it depends on how you look at modern terms and law vs. ancient times. UNWRA for example defines all descendants of displaced ‘48 Palestinians as Palestinian refugees.

Ok, but they wouldn't be considered native Israelites.

The same law applied to Ashkenazim mean they are always displaced and implicitly native to another land.

It would be pretty darn hard to provide evidence that your ancestors were displaced from an area 2,000 years ago though.

 

[cincymma79]

Motivating and i spirirational to see that after some 1000 thread pages, the discussion about who started this and who is entitled to what hasn’t progressed an inch.

Really gets your hopes up for the solving of this conflict.

Hopefully we can get to the bottom of who is and isn’t a real Jew though. Nothing at all racist about that

 

[LeonardoBjj]

‘Inhumane’: Top Belgium officials criticise Israeli bombing of Gaza
PM De Croo describes Israel’s relentless and bloody campaign as ‘disproportionate’, as a left-wing politician calls for sanctions.

By Priyanka Shankar
Published On 10 Nov 202310 Nov 2023
Brussels, Belgium – Belgian politicians and officials are increasingly questioning the scale and legality of Israel’s offensive in Gaza, as more civilians are killed and a humanitarian disaster unfolds in the densely populated enclave.

On Monday, at a conference in Brussels, Prime Minister Alexander De Croo, a liberal democrat, described Israel’s campaign in Gaza as “disproportionate”.

“If you bomb an entire refugee camp with the intention of eliminating a terrorist, I don’t think it’s proportionate,” he said, but insisted that “Belgium will not take sides”.

On Wednesday, Belgium’s deputy prime minister made a rare European call for sanctions against Israel.

“It’s time,” Petra De Sutter, a Green party politician, told the Flemish newspaper Het Nieuwsblad. “The rain of bombs is inhumane.”

De Sutter has also urged Hamas to release hostages and said money flows to “this terrorist organisation” must be stopped immediately.

A day later, Caroline Gennez, Belgium’s minister of development cooperation, suggested that the government was considering recognising the state of Palestine.

“This is necessary to achieve peace in the long term,” she told Al Jazeera.

And Fourat Ben Chikha, vice president of the Senate of Belgium – the federal parliament’s upper house – told Al Jazeera on Friday that “You don’t need to be a human rights professor or international lawyer to understand that international law is no longer being respected in this war.”

He said progressive parties like the Greens, to which he belongs, have begun raising their voices in support of Palestine to build political pressure.

“There is no longer any rational reason for the death and violence we are seeing in Gaza. Even for the Israelis whose relatives have been taken as hostages, the bombing of Gaza isn’t helping,” he said.

These statements appear in contrast with most leaders in Europe, where few have directly criticised Israel’s bombing campaign that began on October 7, in response to Hamas’s unprecedented attacks.

The general European view is that Israel has a right to self-defence, given the horrors of the Hamas incursion, as long as it stays within the boundaries of international law.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...ncluding-pm-criticise-israeli-bombing-of-gaza

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

What are you guys finding to be the truest news sources? Im getting fake news vibes now big time depending on which side youre rooting for

the biggest news sources have the most eyes on them & most to lose when reporting something found to be false. doesn’t mean they don’t get shit wrong, but they have the largest incentive to be accurate.

 

[Samjj]

Ok, but they wouldn't be considered native Israelites.



It would be pretty darn hard to provide evidence that your ancestors were displaced from an area 2,000 years ago though.

DNA + culture/language/customs/oral traditions, etc… and abundant consanguinity.

 

[Strychnine]

@Sinister should this thread title be changed? This thread is about the ongoing conflict which now at this point is about the ongoing incineration of Palestinian innocents currently totaling 10,000+. October 7th was over a month ago. There are no ongoing attacks on Israelis.

Israel declared war on Hamas.

Israel formally declares war, approves 'significant' steps to retaliate for Hamas attack | CBC News

Why is Israel at war with Hamas in Gaza? A basic explainer. - The Washington Post

Everything you need to know about Israel's war with Hamas | CNN

 

[San Marino]

How many of the 'innocents' are innocent Hamas fighters?

The dead women, children and babies?

Not to mention the origin of this number.

Really?
What does Israel say are the real numbers?
How does Israel know where Hamas commanders are hiding, kill them, and don't know the number of dead civilian Palestinians?
How does Israel know they have killed a Hamas commander? Was someone on the ground to verify the dead body?
I want Israel to tell me how many Hamas commanders they have killed and how many innocent Palestinian civilians they have killed.
If the narrative for dead Palestinian civilians is false, so is the narrative for dead Hamas fighters.
Israel thinks (and wants the world to think) it is doing well in this conflict. 300 miles of underground tunnels in a guerrilla war in urban combat. Not even the United States was able to win that kind of conflict in Vietnam or Afghanistan. Israel thinks this operation will take a few weeks. It will be more like a few years and Hamas will not go away. A second front by Hezbollah to the North would be 3 times more violent.

 

[blaseblase]

Ok, but they wouldn't be considered native Israelites.

What about Canaanites?

 

[Motivated BJ Penn]

They didn't kick anyone off their land until after war was declared on them by the entire Arab world.

What happened to all the indigenousness Jewish communities in those Arab countries after the war?

Why does it matter, their plan was to take over the whole region and displace the arabs by force, its normal the arabs would defend themselves against the colonizers.

Those jewish communites were expelled and it was wrong, but it was only as response to the Nakba.

 

[djacobox372]

The dead women, children and babies?
Really?
What does Israel say are the real numbers? They don't know, it's impossible to assess accurately in the situation--especially considering that Hamas has been killing civilians also.
How does Israel know where Hamas commanders are hiding, kill them, and don't know the number of dead civilian Palestinians? They have informants on the ground, verifying that one person is dead is a lot easier than verifying total collatoral damage.
How does Israel know they have killed a Hamas commander? Was someone on the ground to verify the dead body? Yeah, they have spies everywhere
I want Israel to tell me how many Hamas commanders they have killed and how many innocent Palestinian civilians they have killed. Ever hear the term "fog of war." This isn't a video game, accurate stats aren't easy to come by.
If the narrative for dead Palestinian civilians is false, so is the narrative for dead Hamas fighters. Wrong, one the former has a much higher rate of error than the later.
Israel thinks (and wants the world to think) it is doing well in this conflict. 300 miles of underground tunnels in a guerrilla war in urban combat. Not even the United States was able to win that kind of conflict in Vietnam or Afghanistan. Israel thinks this operation will take a few weeks. It will be more like a few years and Hamas will not go away. A second front by Hezbollah to the North would be 3 times more violent. So I than you would agree with the IDF strategy to clear out the civilians so it can eradicate the rats in the tunnels...

 

[Strychnine]

New thread is up. Redirect to the new one here and at the top of the new on a link back to here.

Thank you for your patience.

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[Rholk]

Why does it matter, their plan was to take over the whole region and displace the arabs by force, its normal the arabs would defend themselves against the colonizers.

Those jewish communites were expelled and it was wrong, but it was only as response to the Nakba.

Weren't you the one that was hoping the Hamas was able to kill as many settlers as possible yesterday?
Or did that comment give you them dubs.

 

[Rational Poster]

Why does it matter, their plan was to take over the whole region and displace the arabs by force, its normal the arabs would defend themselves against the colonizers.

Those jewish communites were expelled and it was wrong, but it was only as response to the Nakba.

And the Arabs were only expelled because they declared war and genocide on Israel. Seems like a fair trade.

Israel took in the expelled Jews. Why couldn't the Arabs take in their own people?

Isn't the Arab presence is the region the result of Muslim colonialism to begin with?