International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. III

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Early Zionists were outright terrorists, so its not surprising, they just didn't targeted Arabs, they also targeted the British.

I think its ridiculous to bring old stuff to the modern day, but you are engaging in some massive revisionism here trying to paint early Zionists as always a victim when they engaged in the shit Hamas is doing right now.
that’s the entire context of this conversation thread between him and I. painting israel as sweetie pies and calling for hamas, if not all of palestine, to relinquish the miniscule bargaining power they do have so israel can just continue violating their rights. meanwhile, israel is guilty of all the same shit militarily.
 
“their country” is a crock of shit lmao it’s A country that both groups have claim to. one of those groups is continuing to push the other out with violence & trillions of dollars of support from the west in blatant violation of decades-old agreements. the other group is shooting fireworks at them and getting carpet bombed into oblivion for it.

It's a country where both sides were given a fair plot of land in and one side refused to accept their lot and declared war on the other then lost the war. They gave up their claim and tried to take it all and failed.
 
“their country” is a crock of shit lmao it’s A country that both groups have claim to. one of those groups is continuing to push the other out with violence & trillions of dollars of support from the west in blatant violation of decades-old agreements. the other group is shooting fireworks at them and getting carpet bombed into oblivion for it.
Is Hamas launching rockets at Israel just for a light display? Or to kill Jews?

and really the “both sides have claims” is meaningless. Palestinians will get what they can negotiate with Israel and the world IF they are willing to and able to accept that they aren’t getting Israel. And then they have to abide by agreements. And not be a terror state.
 
that honestly does not look like an "open air prison"
Of course that term is ridiculous. Case in point: We have over 200 Norwegian citizens in Gaza right now. Why are they there? Well, they're there because people come here from various problematic places around the world (the vast majority of which, for some peculiar but of course totally random reason, are Muslim majority) and claim that they can't live in their home countries because they might get killed and so on, so they have to live in Norway. So we say "oh, alrighty then" and let them stay and give them housing, food, education, kindergarten and so on. And then when they have a Norwegian passport and Norwegian money (welfare/early pension in most cases), they often want to travel and visit other places. And where do they go? They go right back to where they said they could not live because their lives were in danger there.

So now more than 200 of these new Norwegian citizens on holiday in the, cough, "open air prison" of Gaza are stranded there, and they no longer want to be there because their local government went to war against Israel and Israel struck back, so the fun and games are over. No more joyous celebrations in the street over torturing Jewish children to death. So they're demanding that the Norwegian government immediately help them get back to Norway, and I'm pretty sure we'll soon be hearing cries of "oppression" if it's not quickly sorted out for them.
 
that’s the entire context of this conversation thread between him and I. painting israel as sweetie pies and calling for hamas, if not all of palestine, to relinquish the miniscule bargaining power they do have so israel can just continue violating their rights. meanwhile, israel is guilty of all the same shit militarily.
Yes calling for Hamas the terror group to surrender and give up hostages.

and then negotiate in good faith. Denouncing terror and Hamas. Sorry but continuing to be the terror org that fuckin slaughtered over 1000 and took hostages isnt a starting point for statehood. And it’s absurd to suggest it is. Sad.
 
It's a country where both sides were given a fair plot of land in and one side refused to accept their lot and declared war on the other then lost the war. They gave up their claim and tried to take it all and failed.
and then more agreements were signed, and israel violated them over and over again.
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...nicef-netanyahu-rejects-ceasefire/ar-AA1j3SJC
What is a human shield and how has Hamas been accused of using them?
In an audio recording released by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF), a member of the military intelligence directorate’ can be heard calling a Palestinian man in Gaza to persuade him and his family to evacuate south towards Khan Younis.

But the recipient of the call complains that it is hard to comply with the Israeli warning because Hamas is blocking roads on the route south, and “just sending people back home”. The man adds that Hamas is shooting at Palestinians attempting to leave the area.
At this point, and after their own goverment minister has openly stated it is the job of the UN and Israel to protect Gazan civilians lives, I'd say it's a virtual certainty that it was Hamas itself that bombed the highway leading to the south when Gazans first attempted to evacuate following Israeli warnings instructing them to do so.

Hamas isn't just terrorizing Israelis, it's terrorizing its own people, and yet there are still "Palestinians" like that cunt Nerdeen Kiswani who go onto Piers Morgan and openly support them.
 
I had a good chat in work today about this conflict. All older colleagues. A couple Muslim, or Muslim heritage, none Jewish and most not religious. The point we all agreed on was that this conflict/situation is painted black and white with no room for discussion on the grey area that literally makes up the entire conflict. The younger generations, via social media, feel they NEED to take a side and HARD and try to screech down the opponent.

It really is a complicated situation, both sides have done bad things. It's like a brutal tit for tat and what Hamas did on the 7th was an escalation beyond escalation. Is the response proportional? I would say no but I'm not Jewish living somewhere that wants me dead.

I was in Israel in August. Saw loads of mosques and churches.

You don't see synagogues or churches in any Muslim country. I might have seen the odd one in Jordan but Jordan is very moderate and progressive.

Uhh, what?

List of synagogues in Iran - Wikipedia
List of synagogues in Egypt - Wikipedia


There's like 30 synagogues in Tehran alone.
 
Yes calling for Hamas the terror group to surrender and give up hostages.

and then negotiate in good faith. Denouncing terror and Hamas. Sorry but continuing to be the terror org that fuckin slaughtered over 1000 and took hostages isnt a starting point for statehood. And it’s absurd to suggest it is. Sad.
i denounced hamas like 30 pages ago. if you need me to do it on every page, i’m gonna need a reminder.
 
Yes calling for Hamas the terror group to surrender and give up hostages.

and then negotiate in good faith. Denouncing terror and Hamas. Sorry but continuing to be the terror org that fuckin slaughtered over 1000 and took hostages isnt a starting point for statehood. And it’s absurd to suggest it is. Sad.

It worked for the Israelis when they used terrorism on the British and Arabs just before their state was created....
 
You’re suggesting they are playing some kind of hand to negotiate.
we literally talked about this a day ago. you never responded. why else do you take hostages if not to negotiate?
 
Early Zionists were outright terrorists, so its not surprising, they just didn't targeted Arabs, they also targeted the British.

I think its ridiculous to bring old stuff to the modern day, but you are engaging in some massive revisionism here trying to paint early Zionists as always a victim when they engaged in the shit Hamas is doing right now.

I don't think that's honest framing at all. I think in context with the nature of the problem they were dealing with their actions are more excusable since if they failed they would be extinct. I have pointed out specific massacres carried out by the Israelis even in earlier version of the thread. I am well aware that the Israelis were not saints. No one gets out clean when you're in such a desperate fight.
 
we literally talked about this a day ago. you never responded. why else do you take hostages if not to negotiate?
Why do they murder civilians en masse?

What do you think Israel will negotiate with Hamas to the benefit of the Palestinian people?
 
By the way, I need you to listen to tonight's CBC World at Six on CBC Radio and tell me they're all about glowing reports of Israel and only condemning Hamas. Cause I don't see it. And I haven't since the Oct. 7 attack. My view is that they have been entirely even handed, reporting on the perspective of both sides consistently.


I did not listen to that

CBC Canada tonight:
1st sotry focusing on what IDF may face in Gaza
2nd story Bibi justifying ground war
3rd story: Canadian families presuring the feds to do more to release jewish-canadian hostages.

Stopped watching b/c I am off to the gym before the Raiders game but this is pretty standard.

CBC might get to the Palestinain at some point tonight but not hitting lead off that is for sure.
 
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