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Blayt7hh said:
Besides the fact that they killed children and old people, all of which is on video that Hamas themselves uploaded, they also killed foreigners. Famously they killed that you German girl that was at a music festival. In the last round of hostages that were released they released 5 citizens from Thailand. What is your game here?
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To be racist nazi scum like avenue and co.
 
avenue94 said:
Hamas is employing the same tactics and strategy it has in recent conflcts, they simply executed better and Israel executed worse on 10/7.
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Quoting for when this whiny far left b tries to play victim

This is him

This is how he thinks it is acceptable to act and view the world, then pretend to care about deaths, innocents etc

He is the worst personification of modern far left and exactly the reason a raging clown shoe like Trump now runs his country. Because people are sick and tired of scum of the earth like this
 
Blayt7hh said:
You’re getting into sticky territory which is what I was talking about weeks ago. If all they are is actual police the. They are not legitimate targets. The argument that the IDF is putting forth is that they are not just to police but terrorist that will hide as civilians. Maybe I’m interpreting this exchange wrong, but it feels like you are trying to set up a gotcha moment and that it is not.
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Not really. It's a gray area. But as far whether Israeli reservists are legitimate targets, they are if Hamas police are. That's not me endorsing that standard, just pointing out that Israel can't have their cake and eat it too legally.
 
SuperAlly said:
Didn't read your post. You are a scrotum of a human being with nothing worth contributing to society. Your only comment on here to praise hamas for their success shows what a waste of skin and bones you are.
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Dear lord you are hysterical. Saying Hamas executed successfully is not praise for them. It's an observation of what happened and one that the IDF clearly shares. Successful does not carry an inherent moral statement.
SuperAlly said:
Quoting for when this whiny far left b tries to play victim

This is him

This is how he thinks it is acceptable to act and view the world, then pretend to care about deaths, innocents etc

He is the worst personification of modern far left and exactly the reason a raging clown shoe like Trump now runs his country. Because people are sick and tired of scum of the earth like this
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Are you disagreeing that 10/7 was a more successful military operation than their previous attacks and battles with Israel?

Here's how bizarre your logic is. You are both arguing that Hamas crossed a red line and Israel has no choice but to be harsher than previous wars, but you are also denying that Hamas was more militarily successful than previous conflicts.
 
SuperAlly said:
To be racist nazi scum like avenue and co.
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Sherbo what? I'm not even sure @kflo would consider me racist or a nazi and he thinks I have it out for Israel.

I don't even know what drugs you have to be on to conclude I am a nazi.
 
avenue94 said:
Not really. It's a gray area. But as far whether Israeli reservists are legitimate targets, they are if Hamas police are. That's not me endorsing that standard, just pointing out that Israel can't have their cake and eat it too legally.
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It’s not the same though. The IDF is a uniformed military that fights in a distinguishing uniform. Hamas is not. From a laws of warfare standpoint that’s not grey at all.

I would argue morally that it is. I don’t have a problem with Hamas targeting government buildings even ones that aren’t the IDF as I believe that is their oppressors. Random civilians are not though and people at a music fest are not.
 
Blayt7hh said:
It’s not the same though. The IDF is a uniformed military that fights in a distinguishing uniform. Hamas is not. From a laws of warfare standpoint that’s not grey at all.

I would argue morally that it is. I don’t have a problem with Hamas targeting government buildings even ones that aren’t the IDF as I believe that is their oppressors. Random civilians are not though and people at a music fest are not.
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It doesn't cut like that. Under the laws of war Hamas police are civilians unless they are actively doing.

And I've been clear on civilians.
 
avenue94 said:
It doesn't cut like that. Under the laws of war Hamas police are civilians unless they are actively doing.

And I've been clear on civilians.
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It does cut like that when you carry out attacks in civilians or in police uniforms. Hamas regularly does in civilians at the least.

Israel does bad things but they carry out their attacks in uniform. They go to war in uniform. This makes them different
 
DoubleTrouble said:
It's pretty simple English dude...

Everyone who serves in the IDF IS a combatant ergo those who don't, AREN'T.
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Everyone is required to serve 2-3 years so by your logic anyone 16+(remotely looks like an adult) is an automatic target.
DoubleTrouble said:
Here you go dumb ass....

nypost.com

Hamas releases sick propaganda video of heartbroken hostage Yarden Bibas after telling him his wife, kids are dead

Hamas released a propaganda video of Israeli hostage Yarden Bibas still alive, a day after claiming his wife and two young children were killed as a result of an IDF airstrike.
nypost.com nypost.com
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You've got to be trolling?
DoubleTrouble said:
Well you asked for evidence and now you got it.

We all know he's been forced to lie by the IDF like all the other released PoW's were after the Yocheved Lifshitz debacle.

The point is, the only children killed in this conflict have been by the IDF.
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LOL. You are trolling. No person is intentionally this obtuse.
DoubleTrouble said:
No there isn't...

I've looked.

It's all word of mouth.

Taking Prisoners of War isn't a crime. The Israeli's set the rules of the game long ago with their routine kidnappings and imprisonment of innocent children from the West Bank.

You can't then cry when Hamas do the same.
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The direct evidence against Hamas committing (war) crimes is far greater than vice versa not only because they are terrorists but also simply because Hamas were dumb enough to record all of their atrocities.

Are you trying to make Kaz look reasonable on this issue?
 
Blayt7hh said:
It does cut like that when you carry out attacks in civilians or in police uniforms. Hamas regularly does in civilians at the least.

Israel does bad things but they carry out their attacks in uniform. They go to war in uniform. This makes them different
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It doesn't. The laws of war are stripped from those who do not wear uniforms, but it does not mean you can arbitrarily also target police officers or medics or civilians.

That's one of the fundamental challenges for Israel and where they've also done themselves no favors. They want their wars to be a police action and also a conventional war but they don't want the downsides of either. Most obviously, mass detainments.
 
avenue94 said:
It doesn't. The laws of war are stripped from those who do not wear uniforms, but it does not mean you can arbitrarily also target police officers or medics or civilians.

That's one of the fundamental challenges for Israel and where they've also done themselves no favors. They want their wars to be a police action and also a conventional war but they don't want the downsides of either. Most obviously, mass detainments.
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When did Israel say they “wanted” a conventional war? If anything, demands from outsiders have been on them to wage one. Hamas has never once attempted to make this conventional so I don’t know why we expect Israel to fight conventionally. The charge that Israel wants it both ways strikes me as ironic. Hamas is the side that is attempting to exploit the laws of war in their favor.

Hamas started this conflicted by committing war crimes and have continued committing them. If Hamas hadn’t been so wonton with their violence my sentiments would probably be on their side right now.
 
Blayt7hh said:
When did Israel say they “wanted” a conventional war?
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Their actions. In a conventional war, you can get away with suspension of civil rights and mass detainments. If you are doing those things and it's not a conventional war, that's just being a totalitarian state.
Blayt7hh said:
Hamas is the side that is attempting to exploit the laws of war in their favor.
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They're a resistance group/insurgency/terrorists who have hope of winning a conventional conflict. I don't have high hopes for their conduct in war. I don't like their approach, but it's also the approach the ANC and IRA and plenty of other groups took before transitioning to more "respectable" political involvement.
Blayt7hh said:
Hamas started this conflicted by committing war crimes and have continued committing them. If Hamas hadn’t been so wonton with their violence my sentiments would probably be on their side right now.
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That's certainly possible. It's why I'm not much of a fan of the whole democracy via 2A or violence for no purpose. It's corrosive to healthy societies. The only caveat I'll add is that it's very easy for us as Americans to tell other countries to suffer for the cameras and change will come slowly. It's much harder to have that stance as one of that oppressed population. Not to mention the American Revolution was quite horrific.

Unfortunately, Palestine isn't just a colonial/anti-colonial conflict, it's also a proxy war for the region, blah blah blah. Like I've said many times, Hamas certainly isn't winning here, but so is Israel in the long run. Both are losing in different ways, as obviously are civilians.
 
SuperAlly said:
Quoting for when this whiny far left b tries to play victim

This is him

This is how he thinks it is acceptable to act and view the world, then pretend to care about deaths, innocents etc

He is the worst personification of modern far left and exactly the reason a raging clown shoe like Trump now runs his country. Because people are sick and tired of scum of the earth like this
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor, Scott Ritter, Colonel Larry WIlkerson and many other military experts have praised Oct 7th as one of the greatest military counteroffensives ever seen.

No-ones buying the Israeli hasbara and lies anymore and that's why Zionists are seething. They've lost the battle for hearts and minds and have resorted to paying people off to lie about what actually happened on that day.

Look at Adam Boehler's comments.....he confirmed what we all know.

Cope better.
 
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