International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

Does Mandy Patinkin have a valid point?


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What has that got to with his military expertise? The President of the US is a rapist - does that make him less of a businessman?
Oh, his competence can be judged by the fact that he works for RT, because he was thrown out of other garbage dumps a long time ago.
But, I was talking about you, not him. Didn't you ask for pictures of children in this thread? Dead children, for that matter?
 
Oh, his competence can be judged by the fact that he works for RT, because he was thrown out of other garbage dumps a long time ago.
But, I was talking about you, not him. Didn't you ask for pictures of children in this thread? Dead children, for that matter?

No I asked for proof of Hamas killing children which quite a few people claimed there are video's of but thus far failed to provide evidence for.
 
Yes. The Jews have paid quite a price. Hopefully they'll be free from Hamas tyranny in 2025!
The Hamas that Netanyahu was funding you mean?

Or the ones who the Prisoners of War fell in love with, hugged, smiled with and kissed trhe foreheads of?

Or how about the ones described as Trump's Jewish envoy as "good guys, just like us"
 
Their actions. In a conventional war, you can get away with suspension of civil rights and mass detainments. If you are doing those things and it's not a conventional war, that's just being a totalitarian state.

They're a resistance group/insurgency/terrorists who have hope of winning a conventional conflict. I don't have high hopes for their conduct in war. I don't like their approach, but it's also the approach the ANC and IRA and plenty of other groups took before transitioning to more "respectable" political involvement.

That's certainly possible. It's why I'm not much of a fan of the whole democracy via 2A or violence for no purpose. It's corrosive to healthy societies. The only caveat I'll add is that it's very easy for us as Americans to tell other countries to suffer for the cameras and change will come slowly. It's much harder to have that stance as one of that oppressed population. Not to mention the American Revolution was quite horrific.

Unfortunately, Palestine isn't just a colonial/anti-colonial conflict, it's also a proxy war for the region, blah blah blah. Like I've said many times, Hamas certainly isn't winning here, but so is Israel in the long run. Both are losing in different ways, as obviously are civilians.
I’m honestly not sure what you’re going for with the first part. You can get away with that in any war.

To the other part I am aware of why they fight the way they fight. That doesn’t mean Israel should feel obliged to give them a fighting chance; that they should just let them abuse the laws of war to get the jump on them. I don’t think anyone here would be ok with getting killed to preserve laws that aren’t being honored by the other side.

Last point “, I’ve been clear on. I don’t expect them to just suffer. I’ve said many times in this thread and even in my last post that I’m fine with them attacking the IDF and even civilian government of Israel (which would be a war crime). What I’m not ok with is what they ended up doing.
 
No I asked for proof of Hamas killing children which quite a few people claimed there are video's of but thus far failed to provide evidence for.
Wow I just checked and not to my surprise you could find most of them all on one website that was like the third result I found in google, including a great one I had never seen of a man stabbing a pregnant women at a bus stop. I don’t know why I was stupid enough to bite, but really fuck you. You never tried to find them.
 
Wow I just checked and not to my surprise you could find most of them all on one website that was like the third result I found in google, including a great one I had never seen of a man stabbing a pregnant women at a bus stop. I don’t know why I was stupid enough to bite, but really fuck you. You never tried to find them.


I'm not talking about fictitious pregnant women...

I asked for proof of the claim that they killed children on Oct 7th.

Proof please?
 
Sure,<YeahOKJen> every seek pervert would that.
I even published a document from a UK parliamentary committee with time, places, names and even photos.
But that is not enough for you. You want it graphical, you creepy weirdo.

No you posted a document that has a disclaimer that it ISN'T approved by the House which means it's a document put together by some QUANGO that is likely biased.

In fact 90% of the contributors to the report had Ashkenazi names.

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No you posted a document that has a disclaimer that it ISN'T approved by the House which means it's a document put together by some QUANGO that is likely biased.

In fact 90% of the contributors to the report had Ashkenazi names.

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Oh, of course you want them to leave the bodies in pools of blood until someone from outside Israel takes photos.
Only photographs taken by someone with a non-Jewish name will pass for truth!
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We both know that this is just an excuse. What you're really looking for is more pictures of dead children, preferably bloody ones, you seek pervert.
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UN's Detailed findings on attacks carried out on and after 7 October 2023 in Israel (A/HRC/56/CRP.3):


UN’s Children and Armed Conflict Report (A/78/842-S/2024/384):


"The Commission finds that members of Hamas military wing and of other Palestinian armed groups intentionally shot and killed residents of kibbutzim and other civilian locations who were not taking any direct part in the hostilities, including women, young children and teenagers, and older people. This pattern was identified in all locations investigated by the Commission, including kibbutzim Be’eri, Nir Oz, Alumim, Mefalsim, Kfar Aza and Nahal Oz, Sderot, Zikim beach, the Nova festival, and road 232. The Commission concludes on reasonable grounds that members of Hamas military wing, and of other Palestinian armed groups have committed the war crime of murder."
 
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BY JOSEPH KRAUSS
Updated 1:59 AM BRT, March 21, 2025

Israel’s renewed military offensive in the Gaza Strip threatens to be even deadlier and more destructive than the last, as it pursues wider aims with far fewer constraints.

Israel resumed the war with a surprise bombardment early Tuesday that killed hundreds of Palestinians, ending the ceasefire and vowing even more devastation if Hamas doesn’t release its remaining hostages and leave the territory.

President Donald Trump has expressed full support for the renewed offensive and suggested last month that Gaza’s 2 million Palestinians be resettled in other countries. Iran-backed militant groups allied with Hamas are in disarray.
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition is stronger than ever, and there are fewer hostages inside Gaza than at any point since Hamas ignited the war with its Oct. 7, 2023, attack, which gives Israel’s military more freedom to act.

It all suggests that the war’s next phase could be more brutal than the last, in which tens of thousands of Palestinians were killed, the vast majority of the population was displaced and much of Gaza was bombed to rubble.

“If all the Israeli hostages are not released and Hamas is not expelled from Gaza. Israel will act with an intensity that you have not seen,” Defense Minister Israel Katz said Wednesday.

“Return the hostages and expel Hamas, and other options will open up for you, including going to other places in the world for those who wish. The alternative is complete destruction and devastation.”

Even less US pressure to spare civilians​

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The Biden administration provided crucial military and diplomatic support to Israel throughout the first 15 months of the war.

But it also tried to limit civilian casualties. In the early days of the war, Biden persuaded Israel to lift a complete siege on Gaza and repeatedly urged it to allow in more humanitarian aid, with mixed results. He opposed Israel’s offensive in southern Gaza last May and suspended a weapons shipment in protest, only to see Israel proceed anyway. Biden also worked with Egypt and Qatar to broker the ceasefire through more than a year of negotiations, with Trump’s team pushing it over the finish line.

The Trump administration appears to have set no restrictions. It hasn’t criticized Israel’s decision to once again seal off Gaza, to unilaterally withdrawal from the ceasefire agreement that Trump took credit for, or to carry out strikes that have killed hundreds of men, women and children.

Israel says it only targets fighters and must dismantle Hamas to prevent a repeat of the Oct. 7 attack, when Palestinian militants killed roughly 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and took 251 hostages.

The Biden administration voiced doubt about those aims, saying months ago that Hamas was no longer able to carry out such an attack.

The offensive killed more than 48,000 Palestinians before the January ceasefire, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry. It does not distinguish between militants and civilians in its count but says more than half of the dead were women and children.

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Ella Osama Abu Dagga, 25 days old, is held by her great-aunt Suad Abu Dagga, after she was pulled from the rubble earlier following an Israeli army airstrike that killed her parents and brother, in Khan Younis, southern Gaza Strip, Thursday, March 20, 2025. (AP Photo/Abdel Kareem Hana )

Trump has suggested Gaza be depopulated​

Trump appeared to lose interest in the ceasefire weeks ago, when he said it should be canceled if Hamas didn’t immediately release all the hostages.

A short-lived White House attempt to negotiate directly with Hamas was abandoned after it angered Israel. Trump’s Mideast envoy, Steve Witkoff, then blamed Hamas for the demise of the truce because it didn’t accept proposals to immediately release hostages.

Hamas has said it will only release the remaining hostages — its only bargaining chip — in exchange for more Palestinian prisoners, a lasting ceasefire and an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, as called for in the ceasefire agreement.

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Trump, meanwhile, has suggested that Gaza’s entire population be transferred to other countries so that the U.S. can take ownership of the territory and rebuild it for others.

Palestinians say they don’t want to leave their homeland, and Arab countries roundly rejected the proposal. Human rights experts said it would likely violate international law.

Israel has embraced the proposal and said it is drawing up plans to implement it.

Netanyahu’s government is stronger than ever​

Netanyahu came under heavy pressure from families and supporters of the hostages to stick with the truce in order to bring their loved ones home. For months, thousands of protesters have regularly gathered in downtown Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, blocked major highways and scuffled with police.

In restarting the war, though, Netanyahu brushed them aside and strengthened his hard-line coalition.

Israel’s far-right national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, who resigned to protest the ceasefire, returned to the government shortly after Tuesday’s strikes. He and Bezalel Smotrich, another far-right ally of Netanyahu, want to continue the war, depopulate Gaza through what they refer to as voluntary migration, and rebuild Jewish settlements there that Israel removed two decades ago.

Netanyahu has also fired or forced out several top officials who had appeared more open to a hostage deal.

Hamas and its allies are in disarray​

Hamas still rules Gaza, but most of its top leaders have been killed and its military capabilities have been vastly depleted. Israel says it has killed some 20,000 militants — without providing evidence.

In its first attack since Israel ended the ceasefire, Hamas fired three rockets on Thursday that set off air raid sirens in Tel Aviv, without causing casualties.

Lebanon’s Hezbollah, which traded fire with Israel throughout much of the war, was forced to accept a truce last fall after Israel’s air and ground war killed most of its top leadership and left much of southern Lebanon in ruins. The overthrow of Syrian President Bashar Assad removed a key ally and further diminished the militant group.

Iran, which supports Hamas and Hezbollah, and which directly traded fire with Israel twice last year, appears unlikely to intervene. Israel said it inflicted heavy damage on Iran’s air defenses in a wave of retaliatory strikes last fall, and Trump has threatened U.S. military action if Iran doesn’t negotiate a new agreement on its nuclear program.

The Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen have resumed long-range missile fire against Israel, which has rarely caused casualties or serious damage. The U.S., meanwhile, launched a new wave of strikes on the Houthis, which could further limit their capabilities.

International criticism could be more muted​

The first phase of the war sparked worldwide protests, some criticism from European leaders and action at the United Nations. Israel was accused of genocide at the International Court of Justice, and the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Netanayahu.

This time could be different.

The Trump administration has detained foreign-born pro-Palestinian student activists and others, and threatened to pull billions of dollars in federal funding from universities accused of tolerating antisemitism, making a repeat of last year’s U.S. campus protests unlikely. Europe is already locked in high-stakes disputes with Trump over aid to Ukraine and American tariffs, and appears unlikely to push back on the Middle East.


The U.S. and Israel have adamantly rejected the actions by both international courts, accusing them of bias. Trump signed an executive order in early February imposing sanctions on the ICC, of which neither the United States nor Israel are members.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-p...ran-protests-bb504392b25e111e11a2ac1ecb8f4fc5

- But when any nation answear US and Israel criminal activitys, they're the terrorists, Right?
 
No you posted a document that has a disclaimer that it ISN'T approved by the House which means it's a document put together by some QUANGO that is likely biased.

In fact 90% of the contributors to the report had Ashkenazi names.

Parliament UK
https://www.parliament.uk › about › mps-and-lords › members › apg

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29 May 2024 · Learn about APPGs, informal cross-party groups that have no official status within Parliament. Find out their rules, register, forms, contacts and impact of General Election on them.


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and he's banned.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy...
 
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