Gable Steveson is the Khamzat Chimaev of the HW division an unstoppable force

[FriskyRandy]

Enjoy your dubs or ban

My god, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Sensitive on a god dam MMA forum.

 

[joy2day]

Bo Nickal part 2

 

[legedema]

well, lets wait until he gets punched in his face

 

[188912345]

Does it, though?

I think so, but it's okay if you disagree.

That will force the rest of the division to level up.

Round 1 maulings by wrestlers are more enjoyable than obese fighters sloppily kickboxing each other.

 

[SuwoopBangin]

Hes a scumbag rapist

 

[snaportap21]

Well, usually these are the type of guys that don't like to be hit.
It is all good in practice until you are being punched in the middle of the octagon.

Exactly, it’s tough to put stock in him, until we see how he reacts to getting hit in when tired. Once we figure out how that goes with him, then we will know his ceiling. Well said.

 

[snaportap21]

Hes a scumbag rapist

Why are you so sure you can say this? The prosecutor said that conflicting versions of what went down were given to them. Calling someone a rapist isn’t something you can just call someone liberally.

 

[Young Calf Kick]

Enjoy your dubs or ban

why are you spelling your own name wrong?

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

I'm hopeful that he can transition to MMA.

What I like:

1. He comes from an American folk style background. Folk style wrestling is more control centric after the takedown compared to freestyle. Freestyle only guys, like Yoel for instance, rely on the threat of a takedown and that is a effective, but you need folk style to manage the ground game. The Dagestan guys don't call it folk style but they have similar techniques and understanding.
2. As we all know, Gable is super athletic.
3. He is an Olympic gold medalist in freestyle. You don't get that medal without being a cardio machine. He should, keyword should, be able to drown most guys.

What I don't like:

1. MMA wasn't his first choice. I hope he made money in pro wrestling, but I don't like that he seemed to lack commitment to the sport of MMA. This isn't something you can be half in and half out. I think he is in MMA not by choice, but by necessity. That doesn't bode well for him when the going gets tough. I hope I'm wrong.
2. I don't know if he can take a punch and he probably doesn't either.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Why are you so sure you can say this? The prosecutor said that conflicting versions of what went down were given to them. Calling someone a rapist isn’t something you can just call someone liberally.

To my memory, that isn't quite what was said, but that there was an unfortunate conflicting of the legality of consent in their specific district. For some reason, they had it so that voluntary consumption of alcohol/drugs basically invalidates the idea that inebriation impairs a person's ability to consent, and that was a large reason they didn't have the discretion to press charges, despite that being a pretty set legal premise in many other places, including neighboring districts, and was later rightfully repealed in this district.

So from the legal definition, he isn't, because the law just wasn't there. But from what people understand rape is, yeah it's possible to call him that.

 

[snaportap21]

To my memory, that isn't quite what was said, but that there was an unfortunate conflicting of the legality of consent in their specific district. For some reason, they had it so that voluntary consumption of alcohol/drugs basically invalidates the idea that inebriation impairs a person's ability to consent, and that was a large reason they didn't have the discretion to press charges, despite that being a pretty set legal premise in many other places, including neighboring districts, and was later rightfully repealed in this district.

So from the legal definition, he isn't, because the law just wasn't there. But from what people understand rape is, yeah it's possible to call him that.

“Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman told reporters Friday that all criminal cases, including sexual assault crimes, must meet the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

“There are often conflicting versions of what happened and this case is no exception,” he said. “In the interest of justice, there is inadequate evidence to fairly charge and prosecute this case.”

He provided few details, saying his office doesn’t believe in re-victimizing the victim and that, “We appreciate her bravery in reporting this incident to police.”

Freeman also hinted that alcohol may have been involved, saying that under Minnesota’s current laws on intoxication and a victim’s ability to give consent, his office was restricted in how it could bring charges in the case.”

That’s according to espn. [https://www.espn.com/college-sports...ges-2-minnesota-wrestlers-alleged-sex-assault

People got hung up on the alcohol aspect of things, but for some reason leave out the prosecutor saying inconsistencies in the story existed. To just say he’s a rapist is a bit much.

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

To my memory, that isn't quite what was said, but that there was an unfortunate conflicting of the legality of consent in their specific district. For some reason, they had it so that voluntary consumption of alcohol/drugs basically invalidates the idea that inebriation impairs a person's ability to consent, and that was a large reason they didn't have the discretion to press charges, despite that being a pretty set legal premise in many other places, including neighboring districts, and was later rightfully repealed in this district.

So from the legal definition, he isn't, because the law just wasn't there. But from what people understand rape is, yeah it's possible to call him that.

It is a he said/she said. I'm not sure anyone can decide who is telling the truth and who is lying in a case like this. Unfortunately there are cases in existence where women have lied, just out and out lied. It is also unfortunate that some men can't leave women in peace and more often than not are guilty of that which they were accused. I've got no idea what went down, and neither does anyone else, other than those directly involved.

Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman told reporters Friday that all criminal cases, including sexual assault crimes, must meet the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

"There are often conflicting versions of what happened and this case is no exception," he said. "In the interest of justice, there is inadequate evidence to fairly charge and prosecute this case."

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

“Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman told reporters Friday that all criminal cases, including sexual assault crimes, must meet the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

“There are often conflicting versions of what happened and this case is no exception,” he said. “In the interest of justice, there is inadequate evidence to fairly charge and prosecute this case.”

He provided few details, saying his office doesn’t believe in re-victimizing the victim and that, “We appreciate her bravery in reporting this incident to police.”

Freeman also hinted that alcohol may have been involved, saying that under Minnesota’s current laws on intoxication and a victim’s ability to give consent, his office was restricted in how it could bring charges in the case.”

That’s according to espn. [https://www.espn.com/college-sports...ges-2-minnesota-wrestlers-alleged-sex-assault

People got hung up on the alcohol aspect of things, but for some reason leave out the prosecutor saying inconsistencies in the story existed. To just say he’s a rapist is a bit much.

Lol, we posted the same thing.

 

[snaportap21]

Lol, we posted the same thing.

We did . Well said in your other post, btw. It’s the only fair way to handle the situation.

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

No he is not

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

“Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman told reporters Friday that all criminal cases, including sexual assault crimes, must meet the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

“There are often conflicting versions of what happened and this case is no exception,” he said. “In the interest of justice, there is inadequate evidence to fairly charge and prosecute this case.”

He provided few details, saying his office doesn’t believe in re-victimizing the victim and that, “We appreciate her bravery in reporting this incident to police.”

Freeman also hinted that alcohol may have been involved, saying that under Minnesota’s current laws on intoxication and a victim’s ability to give consent, his office was restricted in how it could bring charges in the case.”

That’s according to apnews. https://apnews.com/general-news-1221944d273eb2cdb0d285de3d665b3f?utm_source=chatgpt.com

People got hung up on the alcohol aspect of things, but for some reason leave out the prosecutor saying inconsistencies in the story existed. To just say he’s a rapist is a bit much.

With all due respect, it would be much more fair to say you got hung up on the "conflicting versions" bit, since that's what you said instead of "inadequate evidence," which would be a much more fair excuse of charges not moving forward. I mean, the prosecutor notes that it's normal to have conflicting versions. One of the reasons they can't get evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt" is because the law in that district has a higher reasonable doubt because of the loophole provided. The article points out that he gave "few details" but did go out of his way to say how his office was restricted by the law in pressing charges and how he'd been pushing to change it for a while. That's pretty specific in terms of what details affect this case's prosecution. Pointing that out is not getting "hung up" at all.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

It is a he said/she said. I'm not sure anyone can decide who is telling the truth and who is lying in a case like this. Unfortunately there are cases in existence where women have lied, just out and out lied. It is also unfortunate that some men can't leave women in peace and more often than not are guilty of that which they were accused. I've got no idea what went down, and neither does anyone else, other than those directly involved.

Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman told reporters Friday that all criminal cases, including sexual assault crimes, must meet the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

"There are often conflicting versions of what happened and this case is no exception," he said. "In the interest of justice, there is inadequate evidence to fairly charge and prosecute this case."

I did say "it's possible," not "it is," but look what happens when a different part of the sentence is boldes.

"There are often conflicting versions of what happened and this case is no exception."

'Conflicting versions' don't make this case any weaker than any other case. It is the standard.

What is not standard is the law they were operating under, which they had to change soon after. After that, it's basically impossible for them to inspect the depth of he/she said

 

[The_Renaissance]

Nah, he's basically done everything in his power to NOT do MMA - it's just all failed for him. He won't even be committed.

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

I did say "it's possible," not "it is," but look what happens when a different part of the sentence is boldes.

"There are often conflicting versions of what happened and this case is no exception."

'Conflicting versions' don't make this case any weaker than any other case. It is the standard.

What is not standard is the law they were operating under, which they had to change soon after. After that, it's basically impossible for them to inspect the depth of he/she said

The law piece is for sure an odd one, but not one I disagree with. If a person is inebriated, truly inebriated, then I'm not sure their memories are relevant without some corroborating testimony.

I'm a life long straight edge. No alcohol, no drugs, no prescribed medications, no PEDs, no smoking and I'm in my fifties. I say all that because I've first hand witnessed my friends inability to recount significant events accurately from their hard nights when under the influence. I'm always sober and know precisely what happened. They do not. I've had to explain what really happened on many an occasion.

 

[biomed190]

I need to see him take a punch. The wrestling skill is there, and he looks to have some vicious GNP, but he might be another Aaron Pico. Soon as he gets hit flush he folds.