Gable Steveson is the Khamzat Chimaev of the HW division an unstoppable force

Completely agreed. He's obviously got better "pure" Greco-Roman wrestling than Khamzat.

But IMO Khamzat has the best "MMA wrestling" in the sport right now. I still think Jon Jones, GSP, and Khabib were better. Merab is also in that conversation. But ya, Gable Steveson has his work cut out for him, adapting his wrestling to MMA.
Yup, 100%. GSP has a strong argument for best MMA wrestler of all time and what were his credentials? While Romero's great credentials resulted in some pretty bang average MMA wrestling, even after accounting for his advanced age.

Like you said, let's see if he can adapt it first
 
He is one UFC fight away from top 10. That is more of an issue with the talent pool than his skill.
Let's at least see him against a more legit opponent before we crown him future GOAT.
 
The crazy part of Gable Stevenson being the Khamzat Chimaev of the HW division is that Khamzat Chimaev could go up to HW and take him down in the first five seconds and crucifix him with fookin ease in under a minute.

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His metrosexual perfectly shaved bear tells me otherwise.

He will crumble.
 
If so will be a good test for Aspinall.

Gordon is a coach, Jones isn't. Who's his mma and striking coach?

We've seen those with huge accolades have good teams and hit big bumps. Bo Nickal recently (and he had other close fights), Rinya Nakamura, Cejudo, Mark Madsen, Gillespie, kickboxers as accomplished as Izzy or Poatan who never became UFC champ. Although HW is more shallow.

All of your examples can easily be can easily be refuted by saying that they weren't heavyweights but more specifically -

Rinya Nakamura - he's 30 and 10-1 (6-1 in UFC), he still has time/potential but I doubt he beats anyone in the top 5 at BW right now
Cejudo - 2 division champ so he's damn good, only lost to DJ (avenged it) and Joseph Benevidez in his prime. He's obviously well past prime after taking 3 years off and being 38 now but still only lost decisions to 3 top 5 guys
Mark Madsen - too old to make it big in the UFC, non-wrestling skills weren't developed enough
Gregor Gillespie - damn good until he ran into a bigger, more experienced, more well rounded fighter. Didn't have the mentality for it after that KO and apparently was picky about fights
Kickboxers besides Izzy and Poatan - even HIGH level kickboxing without at least decent grappling skill is a bad base for MMA.

And again, the HW thing is a massive advantage for Gable, even right now I'd favor him over Spivac and below -

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Yup, 100%. GSP has a strong argument for best MMA wrestler of all time and what were his credentials? While Romero's great credentials resulted in some pretty bang average MMA wrestling, even after accounting for his advanced age.

Like you said, let's see if he can adapt it first
how many times have you seen yoel romero on his back? he absolutely had stellar wrestling.
 
how many times have you seen yoel romero on his back? he absolutely had stellar wrestling.
Once Yoel got to the big leagues, his first four opponents (Cavalcante, Starks, Markes, and Brunson) all had some level of grappling competency. Over the course of those fights, he attempted 12 takedowns and had 12 takedowns attempted on him. He succeeded on those takedowns a grand total of 0 times and was taken down 6 (half the time).

He only finally started to pad his stats once he fought Tavares, who has no grappling beyond your bog-standard MMA. He was also later taken down by Jacare and Weidman, but the majority of his opponents have been strikers, and yet: His opponents have been credited 10 and a half minutes on control time on him and he left the SF/UFC with a 30% success rate on takedowns.
 
How quick, easy, and efficient that takedown was in his first fight shows promise and potential. It looked effortless. It was so fast I wasn't even sure what happened watching live. He still has a lot to round out in his game, but at HW he could probably beat Top 15 fighters right now.
 
Nobody is gonna beat Gable Steveson imho. He is discplined and has great head on his shoulders and trains with the best team in MMA history (Jon Jones, Craig Jackson, Ryan Gordon, Brain etc etc) and his team believes in him. Gable Steveson is gonna become an unstoppable force in the HW division. I think his gonna crush couple of cans and enter the UFC probably at the end of the next year and start to make some noise.

He is without doubt the next great American champ probably also GOAT-material, the sky is the limit.

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When he enters the UFC his gonna come with alot of hype and he already has alot of hype surrounding him outside of the UFC and with him training with Craig Jackson, Jon Jones and Ryan Gordon is completely ridiculous and if they put just 20% of that amount of knowledge into this beast nobody stops him.
What if he loses his first UFC fight?
 
At HW hes a more skilled Brock maybe slightly less strong .. if he can develop a little his hand throwing hes a future champ as hes Inatatly greatest hw grappler ever in ufc minute he joins. Aspinal is no great he beats him easy . He needs cone to UFC like before end of year. Hw needs him badly

Hea from right around where I live theres alot of hypexabout him here in NWI
 
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If Bo Nickal could carry his ability up to heavyweight he would be top 5 though.

Lot easier to climb near the top at heavyweight with some skill.
but not easier weighing 250. If my Aunt had balls she´d be my uncle. I don´t see these LHW contenders winning HW belts. It´s all theory based on perception of how HWs large guys look fighting. If Bo was 250 he wouldn´t look the same as he does now. I weighed 184 and 265 in my life both as adult. Being 184 everything will look more gracious and you will not get tired quick. 250 you will be stronger but gass faster and look less "fancy" doing sports. That being said Gane is a natural HW and looks gracious. But barely anyone is 6´4 and 250 lean. They are rare. I should be weighing 205 or something like that. Bo barely benches 205 if he could have Brock Lesnars phisique he´d be strong ? Sure. If I could have 80 inch arms I´d be reachy, if I was 6´5 I´d be tall. He just isn´t.
 
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but not easier weighing 250. If my Aunt had balls she´d be my uncle. I don´t see these LHW contenders winning HW belts. It´s all theory based on perception of how HWs large guys look fighting. If Bo was 250 he wouldn´t look the same as he does now. I weighed 184 and 265 in my life both as adult. Being 184 everything will look more gracious and you will not get tired quick. 250 you will be stronger but gass faster and look less "fancy" doing sports. That being said Gane is a natural HW and looks gracious. But barely anyone is 6´4 and 250 lean. They are rare. I should be weighing 205 or something like that. Bo barely benches 205 if he could have Brock Lesnars phisique he´d be strong ? Sure. If I could have 80 inch arms I´d be reachy, if I was 6´5 I´d be tall. He just isn´t.
That's why I said *if*. Looking like Bo at 250 pounds isn't easy. Gable looks like him but with way better takedowns but worse ground control.

Not a ton of wrestling heavyweights out there who can create their offense, most are just very good at staying in position and not getting scored on. We've seen those guys in MMA before and they don't always do great because they still can't take down non wrestlers who can strike. They simply are elite at not getting taken down, but next to no one was going to try anyways.

Gable is elite at takedowns in a division where aside from Jailton and Blaydes almost none of the fighters have spent any time defending takedowns.
 
Nobody is gonna beat Gable Steveson imho. He is discplined and has great head on his shoulders and trains with the best team in MMA history (Jon Jones, Craig Jackson, Ryan Gordon, Brain etc etc) and his team believes in him. Gable Steveson is gonna become an unstoppable force in the HW division. I think his gonna crush couple of cans and enter the UFC probably at the end of the next year and start to make some noise.

He is without doubt the next great American champ probably also GOAT-material, the sky is the limit.

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When he enters the UFC his gonna come with alot of hype and he already has alot of hype surrounding him outside of the UFC and with him training with Craig Jackson, Jon Jones and Ryan Gordon is completely ridiculous and if they put just 20% of that amount of knowledge into this beast nobody stops him.

Lets see him survive a big hit to the head.
 
That's why I said *if*. Looking like Bo at 250 pounds isn't easy. Gable looks like him but with way better takedowns but worse ground control.

Not a ton of wrestling heavyweights out there who can create their offense, most are just very good at staying in position and not getting scored on. We've seen those guys in MMA before and they don't always do great because they still can't take down non wrestlers who can strike. They simply are elite at not getting taken down, but next to no one was going to try anyways.

Gable is elite at takedowns in a division where aside from Jailton and Blaydes almost none of the fighters have spent any time defending takedowns.
He got all the makings to be a top 10 quick. But it's a different sport with the striking and damage.

Also I shouldn't throw shade at Boo. I mean he exegerates. Like take one step at a time. Why say he is matching up so well vs Khamzat. Win a few more first. I shouldn't throw shade though.
 
He will be another wressler who can’t take a punch like Bo, Brock and Ben.
 
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