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"Francis asked for 30 million" (he didn't)

flowoftruth said:
you either have the connections or you don't
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I don't think it's someone's fault for not being up to everything each and every second. To tell them to delete their account is kinda...well...I am afraid to use a word that is not offensive to anyone wherein my post gets deleted.

So there is that.

Oh, I live in the country and have an internet connection. Is that what you mean by having "the connections"? An Intraweb connect cord?
 
Meh. This is a business at the end of the day and he's doing what's best for his business but also stood up for his fellow fighters.

The guy came from a life that 99% of sherdoggers couldn't even imagine. He didn't even start fighting till he hit his 20s. I have tons of respect for the guy and how far he's come despite the odds. Good for him for wanting to make as much money as he can without sacrificing his principles.

UFC fighters are grossly underpaid. You cant even deny it. You have guys like Jake Paul and Tommy Fury making more money than seasoned UFC Champs. It's a disgrace.

Dana can spew whatever nonsense he wants, but all you have to do is spend 10 minutes searching around and the baldfathers bs gets undone.

Respect to Ngannou for stepping up and giving up all that he had, taking a huge gamble. More Champs should do what he did tbh.
 
Lee_ said:
Problem is, there is no objective way to calculate that value because there are way too many variables, which would get into subjectivity. So no, you cannot measure that objectively in the case of a fighter, not accurately anyway.
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The UFC has access to any kind of analytical information they could possibly ever want. When all they really need to know is.. How many ppv did you sell when you’ve headlined before? Or what the info they have projects what you are likely to sell. They know exactly what somebody is worth to them.

The rest is just in general not directed at the poster I replied to.

I’m a little surprised they offered him $8M for the Jones fight. I guess they figured if he flatlined Jones he might be able to sell another 50K-100K more ppv moving forward. At $80 or whatever it is now that translates to $4M-$8M per fight. So it wasn’t a totally crazy notion, I guess. Because that guy hasn’t even sold 500K ppv yet. UFC 220 only sold 350K. Ngannou is simply not a draw. Neither was Stipe. So I can’t be accused of just shitting on Ngannou because I like Stipe. Check this out.. Under the heading

Pay-per-view bouts
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stipe_Miocic

Not all of those numbers are “Official”. But I’m sure most reasonable people would say they sound reasonable.

Ngannou/Jones probably would have sold 600K. Maybe 700K. Ngannou is NOT a draw. And Jones had settled to around the 600K mark his last cpl of fights. Which were quite a while ago.

And still I see people try to say Ngannou is going to make $30M for one fight with Fury. That’s patently absurd.

When Fury’s last 2 opponents made $4.5M (most recent), and $7.4M. I’ve posted the links several times. This is stuff that is actually known. The numbers ARE Official. Any one of you can look it up.

Keep dreaming huggers, or Anti-UFC/Dana people. That guy shit the bed badly. With the 2 fights, that he’s already had since he didn’t re-sign. Plus this next fight.. He’s $15M in the hole by HIS OWN WORDS. So if you want to call anybody a liar it’s going to have to be him.

Fury is not going to give Ngannou anything more than a 20/80 B Side split (BTW.. I don’t think he ever fights him at all). Boxing fans have no idea who he is. I wouldn’t offer the guy a 10/90 split. Not when Fury can fight for much bigger purses. But if he did offer Ngannou a 20/80 B Side split. How much money do you think Ngannou gets paid? Look at Fury’s last 2 opponents (remember they are ^^^^^ up there).

But some guy nobody knows with zero pro fights is going to be paid $30M? Fury will make $25-30M. Ngannou would be lucky to get $5M-$7M.

So let’s recap. Including the next fight with Jones. Ngannou threw away $15M. If he actually gets a boxing match it would be an honest to shit miracle if he made $10M. Much more likely around $5M.

But keep bragging on him and how he “beat Dana”. How he is “free”. No more “slave” contract (I actually saw a clown use that word again yesterday in here). You probably believe that bullshit about him standing up for every other UFC fighter, too.

I still see the part where he’d be $10M in the hole. But I suppose he could sign with PFL, or Bellator and make $2-$3M a year. While falling another $12M+ (2 UFC fights per year) in the hole every year because he didn’t want the biggest HW UFC contract ever. But he sure showed Dana, didn’t he?

I don’t give a shit who wants to wash who’s balls. But be honest. Making up shit just to hug on another dude? It’s sports fellas. You don’t know these guys. And they don’t want to know you. Conor said it flat out ..

Conor McGregor
@TheNotoriousMMA
I don’t give a fuck I just want your money.

Remember that one boys? I do.. I remember them all.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...’t-give-a-f-k-i-just-want-your-money.4210127/

Conor huggers still proudly bow before him.

Especially the moral character of the clowns some of the dudes in here worship.. Jones, Conor, Ngannou.

I don’t get it. Making shit up to justify hugging on a guy that doesn’t know you. And wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. And being all proud of it on the internet..

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L0ki said:
The Francis bashing is.....

The whole basis for that story is a stupid screenshot of someone claiming to be Frank's friend and asking for 30 million.

That's it.

Fucking thing could be fake, we don't know whose number that was, screenshots are easy af to edit, etc.

The idea of a fighter just having some random friend negotiate on his behalf is laughable.

Ngannou is fucking awesome.

Seems to want to do good, monster in the ring, and keeps it as humble as a guy in his position can.
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The entire narrative was squashed when Francis was interviewed by Ariel and said he would have accepted a 3-Fight deal with the UFC. He said he would have fought Jones, Stipe, and Jones again within a year.

Anyone repeating the $30-million myth is a UFC shill.

And its pretty ironic those UFC shills forgot Dana's claims Jones demanded $30 million.

https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/ufc...ion-to-fight-francis-ngannou-says-dana-white/

https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/4/...asked-for-30-million-to-fight-francis-ngannou
 
GearSolidMetal said:
The entire narrative was squashed when Francis was interviewed by Ariel and said he would have accepted a 3-Fight deal with the UFC. He said he would have fought Jones, Stipe, and Jones again within a year.

Anyone repeating the $30-million myth is a UFC shill.

And its pretty ironic those UFC shills forgot Dana's claims Jones demanded $30 million.

https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/ufc...ion-to-fight-francis-ngannou-says-dana-white/

https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/4/...asked-for-30-million-to-fight-francis-ngannou
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You believe Francis when he says he would have fought three times in a year?
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Casio Bioassay said:
You believe Francis when he says he would have fought three times in a year?
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The deal Francis proposed was for 3-fights, not 3-fights in 1 year. He said he'd plan to 'knock them out' within a year, but thar leaves it open for longer.

Meanwhile, UFC/WME wanted a 5-fight deal.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
The deal Francis proposed was for 3-fights, not 3-fights in 1 year. He said he'd plan to 'knock them out' within a year, but thar leaves it open for longer.

Meanwhile, UFC/WME wanted a 5-fight deal.
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My question was if you believe Francis would knock them out in three years like he claimed.
 
L0ki said:
The Francis bashing is.....

The whole basis for that story is a stupid screenshot of someone claiming to be Frank's friend and asking for 30 million.

That's it.

Fucking thing could be fake, we don't know whose number that was, screenshots are easy af to edit, etc.

The idea of a fighter just having some random friend negotiate on his behalf is laughable.

Ngannou is fucking awesome.

Seems to want to do good, monster in the ring, and keeps it as humble as a guy in his position can.
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How much do you think he asked? Has to be more than 8 million from what UFC has said.
 
I don't see anything wrong with Francis wanting 30 mil, it's not coming fom my pocket.

But let's not pretend that this message "leaked" from a nobody and there's zero credibility to it.

It was posted by a boxing promoter who had a concrete offer of 3 mill, an opponent (Soslan Asbarov), a date and a place(18march, Dubai). You can't get something more solid than that and no, saying you want 30 mill over 3 is not negociating, is shutting the door so why say it if not true.
 
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don't ask said:
There seems to be a real effort to tarnish his reputation online. It's an easy way to sort out the dipshits, but it's sad to see it happen.
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I think alot of *ufc* fans just cant stand the fact that the current best hw on the planet is not in the ufc right now.

Imagine that the so called baddest man on the planet signs with either Bellator or PFL. That would break some hearts.

I myself think it is a shame that he is no longer on the ufc roster as i want to see him face the best possible opponents but i respect the fact that he is chasing his dreams and wish him well.
 
noizer said:
I think alot of *ufc* fans just cant stand the fact that the current best hw on the planet is not in the ufc right now.

Imagine that the so called baddest man on the planet signs with either Bellator or PFL. That would break some hearts.
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That's a lot more generous than how I'd describe them. It's disturbing how many of these idiots are invested in pushing the UFC's company line / lies. I genuinely hope they are paid trolls because if they're doing this voluntarily... that's fucking sad.
 
don't ask said:
That's a lot more generous than how I'd describe them. It's disturbing how many of these idiots are invested in pushing the UFC's company line / lies. I genuinely hope they are paid trolls because if they're doing this voluntarily... that's fucking sad.
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Salty people usually say stupid things. They will get over it i am sure.
 
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