"Francis asked for 30 million" (he didn't)

[goOb]

Francis wants way more than 30 million. Look closer at that DM Sherbros:

 

[Lee_]

The UFC has access to any kind of analytical information they could possibly ever want. When all they really need to know is.. How many ppv did you sell when you’ve headlined before? Or what the info they have projects what you are likely to sell. They know exactly what somebody is worth to them.

I'm sure they have analysis, what I was saying was that was more ballpark stuff because there are too many variables to make that accurate; it's quite general. Especially given they don't know how the person's popularity trajectory will play out and could change dramatically. For example, winning and losing fights doesn't always change it, but it can. Imagine if Conor still hadn't lost after Alvarez- he would be the biggest seller in combat sports, maybe the biggest ever. He still is a big draw, but not like he would have been.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

I'm sure they have analysis, what I was saying was that was more ballpark stuff because there are too many variables to make that accurate; it's quite general. Especially given they don't know how the person's popularity trajectory will play out and could change dramatically. For example, winning and losing fights doesn't always change it, but it can. Imagine if Conor still hadn't lost after Alvarez- he would be the biggest seller in combat sports, maybe the biggest ever. He still is a big draw, but not like he would have been.

Now you’re making up something that didn’t happen. I didn’t think we were talking 10 years into the future based on something that didn’t actually happen.

Conor lost before Alvarez. In fact he’s lost every fight except one after Alvarez. Nobody said Conor fans were smart. But the UFC knows what he’s going to sell on a fight to fight basis. Based on the analytical info they have. But with him they don’t even need it. That’s why they put up with the embarrassment of a human he is. When any real sports league would have shit canned him years ago.

And he’s still the B Side on the second highest selling combat sport ppv ever. And I don’t think any UFC fighter will ever become a bigger draw. His last fight was his second highest selling UFC fight. After getting KTFO the fight before.

But in reality. Yes the UFC knows what’s going on, on a fight per fight basis.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

He told some reporter that the clincher waz the loss of a million worth of bit coin was taken off the table... so I doubt that would've been such a big deal if he were really going for 30 mill. This seems like fake newz.

 

[TerrorTimmy]

There seems to be a real effort to tarnish his reputation online. It's an easy way to sort out the dipshits, but it's sad to see it happen.

MMA "fans" are the absolute worst

 

[RockyLockridge]

Nothing would make me happier than seeing Francis get a big bag of money

I'd be happy for him if that happened, but i have no idea why it would.

 

[Iroh]

Never forget that Ali is the only manager to have testified in favor of the UFC in court, against his own clients effectively

Yeah, i wouldn't at all be surprised if he deliberatedly started this rumor.

 

[scoobster]

Francis an overrated muppet who though he was all that, he'll will have 1 boxing match against some bum and lose and we'll never hear from him again, not a chance in hell he's fighting 1 of the big draws

 

[Neck&Neck]

Big Frank coming for all the titles, all the sports
He will be Stanley Cup Champ this time next year

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Why do you give a fuck, orange belt?

You joined in a double digit year, calm down.

The UFC has access to any kind of analytical information they could possibly ever want. When all they really need to know is.. How many ppv did you sell when you’ve headlined before? Or what the info they have projects what you are likely to sell. They know exactly what somebody is worth to them.

The rest is just in general not directed at the poster I replied to.

I’m a little surprised they offered him $8M for the Jones fight. I guess they figured if he flatlined Jones he might be able to sell another 50K-100K more ppv moving forward. At $80 or whatever it is now that translates to $4M-$8M per fight. So it wasn’t a totally crazy notion, I guess. Because that guy hasn’t even sold 500K ppv yet. UFC 220 only sold 350K. Ngannou is simply not a draw. Neither was Stipe. So I can’t be accused of just shitting on Ngannou because I like Stipe. Check this out.. Under the heading

Pay-per-view bouts
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stipe_Miocic

Not all of those numbers are “Official”. But I’m sure most reasonable people would say they sound reasonable.

Ngannou/Jones probably would have sold 600K. Maybe 700K. Ngannou is NOT a draw. And Jones had settled to around the 600K mark his last cpl of fights. Which were quite a while ago.

And still I see people try to say Ngannou is going to make $30M for one fight with Fury. That’s patently absurd.

When Fury’s last 2 opponents made $4.5M (most recent), and $7.4M. I’ve posted the links several times. This is stuff that is actually known. The numbers ARE Official. Any one of you can look it up.

Keep dreaming huggers, or Anti-UFC/Dana people. That guy shit the bed badly. With the 2 fights, that he’s already had since he didn’t re-sign. Plus this next fight.. He’s $15M in the hole by HIS OWN WORDS. So if you want to call anybody a liar it’s going to have to be him.

Fury is not going to give Ngannou anything more than a 20/80 B Side split (BTW.. I don’t think he ever fights him at all). Boxing fans have no idea who he is. I wouldn’t offer the guy a 10/90 split. Not when Fury can fight for much bigger purses. But if he did offer Ngannou a 20/80 B Side split. How much money do you think Ngannou gets paid? Look at Fury’s last 2 opponents (remember they are ^^^^^ up there).

But some guy nobody knows with zero pro fights is going to be paid $30M? Fury will make $25-30M. Ngannou would be lucky to get $5M-$7M.

So let’s recap. Including the next fight with Jones. Ngannou threw away $15M. If he actually gets a boxing match it would be an honest to shit miracle if he made $10M. Much more likely around $5M.

But keep bragging on him and how he “beat Dana”. How he is “free”. No more “slave” contract (I actually saw a clown use that word again yesterday in here). You probably believe that bullshit about him standing up for every other UFC fighter, too.

I still see the part where he’d be $10M in the hole. But I suppose he could sign with PFL, or Bellator and make $2-$3M a year. While falling another $12M+ (2 UFC fights per year) in the hole every year because he didn’t want the biggest HW UFC contract ever. But he sure showed Dana, didn’t he?

I don’t give a shit who wants to wash who’s balls. But be honest. Making up shit just to hug on another dude? It’s sports fellas. You don’t know these guys. And they don’t want to know you. Conor said it flat out ..

Conor McGregor
@TheNotoriousMMA
I don’t give a fuck I just want your money.

Remember that one boys? I do.. I remember them all.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...’t-give-a-f-k-i-just-want-your-money.4210127/

Conor huggers still proudly bow before him.

Especially the moral character of the clowns some of the dudes in here worship.. Jones, Conor, Ngannou.

I don’t get it. Making shit up to justify hugging on a guy that doesn’t know you. And wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. And being all proud of it on the internet..

This is the most objective and accurate observation in the thread. Not everyone calling Ngannou a moron is paid by the UFC, some of us can infer that the UFC actually understood how many PPVs he sells and that is an actual measure of a fighters worth; and that his big boxing payday is a pipe dream. The quality of engagement in this forum has dropped significantly in the last half decade, but there is hope.

The deal Francis proposed was for 3-fights, not 3-fights in 1 year. He said he'd plan to 'knock them out' within a year, but thar leaves it open for longer.

Meanwhile, UFC/WME wanted a 5-fight deal.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/1/...-for-free-agency-in-that-contract-im-not-free
Yea, he wanted 3 fights which started at $8 million for the Jones fight, then a Stipe fight, then a Jones rematch. So he wanted ~$24 million, which is a ludicrous sum comparative to what he generates.

 

[Local Plata]

https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/1/...-for-free-agency-in-that-contract-im-not-free
Yea, he wanted 3 fights which started at $8 million for the Jones fight, then a Stipe fight, then a Jones rematch. So he wanted ~$24 million, which is a ludicrous sum comparative to what he generates.

I mean, it's not that ridiculous unless you agree with the UFC that the fighters only deserve single digit % of the profits.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

I mean, it's not that ridiculous unless you agree with the UFC that the fighters only deserve single digit % of the profits.

We did the math earlier in the thread, Frank's best PPV draws $35-40 million revenue. and that's when he's helped by a secondary title fight to sell, his Stipe fights did under 400k. He's one fighter, you aren't factoring in every other employee, production costs, etc. He just isn't worth that much money, he isn't a Tyson Fury, he isn't a Conor.

 

[Reach Finesse]

The Francis bashing is.....

The whole basis for that story is a stupid screenshot of someone claiming to be Frank's friend and asking for 30 million.

That's it.

Fucking thing could be fake, we don't know whose number that was, screenshots are easy af to edit, etc.

The idea of a fighter just having some random friend negotiate on his behalf is laughable.

Ngannou is fucking awesome.

Seems to want to do good, monster in the ring, and keeps it as humble as a guy in his position can.

The guy who didnt want to pay his coach..the coach who took him in off the streets

 

[Reach Finesse]

LOL at the brainless UFC company men in here supporting Uncle Dana and his parade of lies.

Just because you dont believe a guy who snuck into a country illegally, lies about his age and shafted his first coach...doesnt mean you support Dana.
There are a lot of better humans to be the face of the fighters' pay movement

 

[Local Plata]

We did the math earlier in the thread, Frank's best PPV draws $35-40 million revenue. and that's when he's helped by a secondary title fight to sell, his Stipe fights did under 400k. He's one fighter, you aren't factoring in every other employee, production costs, etc. He just isn't worth that much money, he isn't a Tyson Fury, he isn't a Conor.

Like I said, if you agree with the UFC that the fighters only deserve x amount of the profit, then it's not like I'm going to convince you otherwise. But you make it sound like the UFC would be losing money holding an event while paying him some theoretical number based on a supposed text message between two people not involved with him at all.

 

[wildchild88]

I'd be happy for him if that happened, but i have no idea why it would.

I think he can do it. It'll be hard for him to beat the money he would have made with the UFC.

But it was his decision, and it's his life.. just hope it works out for the dude.

 

[CerebralKnievel]

Just because you dont believe a guy who snuck into a country illegally, lies about his age and shafted his first coach...doesnt mean you support Dana.
There are a lot of better humans to be the face of the fighters' pay movement

Dear god, no!! He snuck into a country... ILLEGALLY??? This man's crimes are second only to rapists and murderers!! Brainless nationalism, amirite? Fucking dunce. People like you are a cancer to society.

 

[Reach Finesse]

Dear god, no!! He snuck into a country... ILLEGALLY??? This man's crimes are second only to rapists and murderers!! Brainless nationalism, amirite? Fucking dunce. People like you are a cancer to society.

I like how you ignore the not paying his coach who helped him for free

Oh and a lot of people immigrate legally and work hard through legal means and contribute to society..hard to grasp right

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Well, one thing is for certain, he asked for more than the UFC was willing to give and was going to make the most money the UFC has ever paid a guy to fight.

Is that really the most the UFC has ever paid a guy to fight?

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Like I said, if you agree with the UFC that the fighters only deserve x amount of the profit, then it's not like I'm going to convince you otherwise. But you make it sound like the UFC would be losing money holding an event while paying him some theoretical number based on a supposed text message between two people not involved with him at all.

I can tell you've never run a business. I showed you the literal mathematical breakdown of Francis' own words on how much he wanted to be paid ($8 million for the Jones fight + 2 more fights on the contract. no reason to think he would take less for subsequent bouts) and how no business on the planet is going to give one guy on the card a third of what it makes when he isn't a major PPV seller. If Francis was moving the same number of PPVs McGregor does, he would have no problem getting the same damn things Conor got. It seems a majority of Sherdog thinks that if a card makes say $50 million that $5 million goes to the fighters, $30M to Dana, and the rest to production.

Dear god, no!! He snuck into a country... ILLEGALLY??? This man's crimes are second only to rapists and murderers!! Brainless nationalism, amirite? Fucking dunce. People like you are a cancer to society.

I won't embarrass you on your teenage understanding of the necessity of borders to the sovereignty and prosperity of a nation, as it is neither here nor there nor would it be absorbed by your simplistic mind, but he did turn his back on the gym that turned him into a champion from a homeless wanderer with a dream and that always left a bad taste in my mouth and the mouths of others. You have such a hate-boner for Dana and the UFC that anyone that has any beef with them has to be canonized, and anyone that points out any negatives of that person, or tries to express a nuanced view on the subject, they are instantly "company men" "paid shills" and other brainlet strawman arguments. If you think Francis left because of anything other than the final amount of dollars on the contract, you're a coping mark.

Is that really the most the UFC has ever paid a guy to fight?

The most a Heavyweight would have ever been paid. Not more than Conor, but more than Brock.
Is there anyone that can argue that from a purely business standpoint, not merit nor ability, that Francis was worth more than Brock? Brock made a disclosed $5.5M over his UFC career, but that's purses, not counting sponsors and PPV points, from what I understand of the pay structure, you can safely double that and see the rough number they were coming to. My best guess would be the UFC offered Francis something that would end up being worth ~$15M for 5 fights, while he wanted ~$24M for 3 fights.