"Francis asked for 30 million" (he didn't)

[Kumason]

Ts is like... I know everything about everything except I know nothing about anything. Good job idiot. I have never seen a decent post from you.

 

[CerebralKnievel]

I can tell you've never run a business. I showed you the literal mathematical breakdown of Francis' own words on how much he wanted to be paid ($8 million for the Jones fight + 2 more fights on the contract. no reason to think he would take less for subsequent bouts) and how no business on the planet is going to give one guy on the card a third of what it makes when he isn't a major PPV seller. If Francis was moving the same number of PPVs McGregor does, he would have no problem getting the same damn things Conor got. It seems a majority of Sherdog thinks that if a card makes say $50 million that $5 million goes to the fighters, $30M to Dana, and the rest to production.

I won't embarrass you on your teenage understanding of the necessity of borders to the sovereignty and prosperity of a nation, as it is neither here nor there nor would it be absorbed by your simplistic mind, but he did turn his back on the gym that turned him into a champion from a homeless wanderer with a dream and that always left a bad taste in my mouth and the mouths of others. You have such a hate-boner for Dana and the UFC that anyone that has any beef with them has to be canonized, and anyone that points out any negatives of that person, or tries to express a nuanced view on the subject, they are instantly "company men" "paid shills" and other brainlet strawman arguments. If you think Francis left because of anything other than the final amount of dollars on the contract, you're a coping mark.

The most a Heavyweight would have ever been paid. Not more than Conor, but more than Brock.
Is there anyone that can argue that from a purely business standpoint, not merit nor ability, that Francis was worth more than Brock? Brock made a disclosed $5.5M over his UFC career, but that's purses, not counting sponsors and PPV points, from what I understand of the pay structure, you can safely double that and see the rough number they were coming to. My best guess would be the UFC offered Francis something that would end up being worth ~$15M for 5 fights, while he wanted ~$24M for 3 fights.

Please spare us your run-on paragraphs. You're unintelligent, uneducated, and a fucking white trash embarrassment to humanity. But yeah, you're a genius bro. Please don't "embarass" me.

 

[Local Plata]

I can tell you've never run a business. I showed you the literal mathematical breakdown of Francis' own words on how much he wanted to be paid ($8 million for the Jones fight + 2 more fights on the contract. no reason to think he would take less for subsequent bouts) and how no business on the planet is going to give one guy on the card a third of what it makes when he isn't a major PPV seller. If Francis was moving the same number of PPVs McGregor does, he would have no problem getting the same damn things Conor got. It seems a majority of Sherdog thinks that if a card makes say $50 million that $5 million goes to the fighters, $30M to Dana, and the rest to production.

You guestimated numbers and decided to side on the 'business' side, instead of your rightful side as a consumer wanting to see the fights. I have no misunderstanding of the way the UFC operates. By your logic they might as well just fill cards with 4k to show and 4k to win fighters to maximize their profit on the strength of a single fight ... which is the way things are going.

For years Dana bashed the boxing model, saying it was absurd and greedy to make these fights and charge 60 bucks for the ppv with 1 goodish fight on it while the undercard fought for sandwiches or whatever. Then the UFC starts to take off, and they start doing the pro wrestling shit 'building' stars the way boxing does, building cards that for the most part are uninteresting aside from the main event, while raising ppv prices constantly and still paying like 10% of their net to the fighters.

Francis is essentially doing the same thing, trying to maximize his cut since he's the one actually fighting. Yet dudes like you still go around defending the business practices of the company like it somehow affects you personally. I just want to see the best fighters fight each other, and we will never get that anymore because the UFC would rather go full sports entertainment instead to maximize their profits while the product suffers. The correct course of action for a consumer would be to be like 'hey, this product is starting to fucking suck because they wont pay the best guys to fight.' But too many fans would probably rather see the UFC and Conor hand pick some opponents for him to beat up so he can make a super cool speech afterward to hold them over until the next wrestlemania or youtube celebrity fight.

 

[JosephTessaro]

Is that really the most the UFC has ever paid a guy to fight?

I think it was the most they ever offered a HW. I was not involved with the negotiations so I don't know the exact figure or whatever.

 

[m249viking]

There seems to be a real effort to tarnish his reputation online. It's an easy way to sort out the dipshits, but it's sad to see it happen.

Francis and the people he put around himself did the tarnishing.

 

[icemun]

Francis seems like a diva and while I doubt he asked for $30 million (unless he is the single most delusional athlete in history), I have no doubt he asked for at least twice what he's actually worth.

By Franks account he was offered 24 million, 8 to fight Jones, which is crazy to walk away from.

 

[JosephTessaro]

another one talking crap
so you actually think the ufc would pay
ngannou more than they have ever paid conor?

this is the bias against nganou......totally believing anything that somebody has said, without using your head.

More money than any HW has ever been paid. I left that out.

Not talking crap at all.

I wish they were able to come to an agreement, that being the UFC and Francis. I would have loved nothing more to see Jon Jones coming out party against Francis.

At the end of the day, Francis and the UFC could not come to an agreement, hell we don't even know what exactly happened during the negotiations. All we really know is that the UFC released Francis and now we get Jones/Gane.

 

[don't ask]

Francis and the people he put around himself did the tarnishing.

No.

 

[HaulParris]

The Francis bashing is.....

The whole basis for that story is a stupid screenshot of someone claiming to be Frank's friend and asking for 30 million.

That's it.

Fucking thing could be fake, we don't know whose number that was, screenshots are easy af to edit, etc.

The idea of a fighter just having some random friend negotiate on his behalf is laughable.

Ngannou is fucking awesome.

Seems to want to do good, monster in the ring, and keeps it as humble as a guy in his position can.

Yes, but people on here already got into the groupthink of "He asked for 30 mil", and you won't talk them out of it. It's the same with people who have never seen Condit fight before or after the Diaz fight, but are happy to copy/paste "Natural Born Runner", or the large portion of fans who are somehow convinced that Costa's big biceps and juvenile jokes make him a contender (even though he hasn't had a good win in years and all the dudes he beat have been cut/left UFC).

 

[Pequeño Corey]

I think it was the most they ever offered a HW. I was not involved with the negotiations so I don't know the exact figure or whatever.

Wasn’t asking if you were involved with the negotiations. That’d be a dumb question, even by sherdog standards. The larger point is that Dana made that claim, so I’m surprised that anyone would take it as factual.

 

[JosephTessaro]

Wasn’t asking if you were involved with the negotiations. That’d be a dumb question, even by sherdog standards. The larger point is that Dana made that claim, so I’m surprised that anyone would take it as factual.

Never said you were questioning me about being involved in negotiations...believe what you want to believe. I don't think everything that Dana says is untrue or not fact...that's dumb thing to say...but not by Sherdog standards.

 

[Aurelian]

HW Boxing doesn't have anybody like Floyd Mayweather selling 4.5 million ppv buys to make him super rich. It would be hard to promote Francis since they can't use his UFC highlights and he doesn't have a belt. It's crazy he walked away from the UFC offer but time will tell who was right.

 

[Kono dio da!]

Francis seems like a diva and while I doubt he asked for $30 million (unless he is the single most delusional athlete in history), I have no doubt he asked for at least twice what he's actually worth.

How does he seem like a diva, apart from Dana white accusations?

 

[Pequeño Corey]

I don't think everything that Dana says is untrue or not fact...that's dumb thing to say...but not by Sherdog standards.

No not everything. Of course not. He lies a lot, though. You’ve been around long enough to know that Dana is not generally regarded as a truthful person. And he has plenty of reasons to lie about this. He’s trying to save face and make Franc look unreasonable, when we all know Franc didn’t walk because of the money. Classic Dana.

 

[HP_Nut]

Well, one thing is for certain, he asked for more than the UFC was willing to give and was going to make the most money the UFC has ever paid a guy to fight.

I saw a lot of talk that he turned down $8 million to fight Jones but wanted other things also.

Dana said Francis would've been the highest paid HW ever in MMA, not the highest paid though. Conor is the highest paid. I have no idea what Francis wanted & not saying he's worth it either. At 1 point I think Dana claimed Jones wanted $30 million per fight but Jones denied it

 

[JosephTessaro]

Dana said Francis would've been the highest paid HW ever in MMA, not the highest paid though. Conor is the highest paid. I have no idea what Francis wanted & not saying he's worth it either. At 1 point I think Dana claimed Jones wanted $30 million per fight but Jones denied it

Yes I addressed this earlier I left out the HW highest paid part and that was my bad.

 

[Paladin]

The Francis bashing is.....

The whole basis for that story is a stupid screenshot of someone claiming to be Frank's friend and asking for 30 million.

That's it.

Fucking thing could be fake, we don't know whose number that was, screenshots are easy af to edit, etc.

The idea of a fighter just having some random friend negotiate on his behalf is laughable.

Ngannou is fucking awesome.

Seems to want to do good, monster in the ring, and keeps it as humble as a guy in his position can.

Jones is the one who was asking for such amounts to face francies

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

How does he seem like a diva, apart from Dana white accusations?

The beef between him and his ex gym, him wanting $8 million per fight (his own words on what he wanted for the Jones fight).

 

[Kono dio da!]

The beef between him and his ex gym, him wanting $8 million per fight (his own words on what he wanted for the Jones fight).

I don't see the problem. He was the heavyweight champion, he's exciting, 8 million is chump change for the ufc. Come on man. Plus he resolved his issues with the gym, at least that's what Fernand Lopez said. you all just hate on Francis because Dana said so. it's not fair.

 

[Davidjacksonjones]

Ts is like... I know everything about everything except I know nothing about anything. Good job idiot. I have never seen a decent post from you.