For everyone saying former UFC champ Ngannou makes boxing look bad

[MotorCityCobra]

Tyson Fury is arguably the greatest heavy weight boxer of all time. He lost to the UFC HW Champ in his own domain.

Can you imagine if they used MMA gloves and just added in another aspect of fighting like kicks? Tyson Fury would have been murdered in that scenario. Boxing is just an embarrassing sport all around.

Literally close to noone thinks Fury is even a top 10 all time HW. Sorry Joe Rogan doesn't count lol.

 

[ookii]

I mean the truth is Ngannou is the only Ngannou. Just because he can do it, doesn't count for all of MMA. It's because of his serious power. We've seen guys like Wilder or Foreman have power carry them through their career. He just possesses the death touch. Anyone else with the death touch and chin could probably do good at HW in MMA or Boxing.

It is like they are trivializing everything that Ngannou has accomplished by thinking any MMA striker will well against any top boxer. I guess the critics didnt have their field day to shit on Ngannou so now they have to shit on HW boxing

 

[FlowchartRog]

Tyson Fury is arguably the greatest heavy weight boxer of all time. He lost to the UFC HW Champ in his own domain.

Can you imagine if they used MMA gloves and just added in another aspect of fighting like kicks? Tyson Fury would have been murdered in that scenario. Boxing is just an embarrassing sport all around.

lol at Fury being arguably the best HW boxer ever. Renders everything else you've said null and void.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

The only takeaway is Francis makes himself look amazing, anything else is bullshit.

Francis looked amazing, and by virtue, MMA. He's the MMA fighter going to boxing

 

[jitzmonkey]

Saying he's not a freak of nature is a bit of a disservice to Ngannou tbh. Did hard work and determination play a huge role in his success? Yeah of course or did, but you're not nuts if you don't think his genetic gifts are EXTREMELY rare.

Freakish power, freakish physical strength, freakish chin. And still a chiselled tank at 37.

It's a bit like Pacquiao, hard work and determination got him from a Filipino street kid to boxing icon and one of the best boxers ever, but make no mistake hardly anyone could have done with even with all the hard work and determination in the world.

That's because Pacquiao is also a freak of nature, with a unique comination of speed, power, agility, stamina, workrate, etc.

His body was conditioned from years of hard work in the mines.
Former fellow miners have stated that he worked harder/faster than his coworkers (presuming that everyone was there of their volition.)
Good genes? —> Absolutely!
Lots of people have them, though.

I’d argue that it’d be a disservice to Ngannou if we put less emphasis on his work ethic and determination than on his parents’ DNA.

 

[FlowchartRog]

Literally close to noone thinks Fury is even a top 10 all time HW. Sorry Joe Rogan doesn't count lol.

Yep, you can always tell someone has an agenda when they say something so absurd.

It is like they are trivializing everything that Ngannou has accomplished by thinking any MMA striker will well against any top boxer. I guess the critics didnt have their field day to shit on Ngannou so now they have to shit on HW boxing

Exactly, the key point here is Ngannou is unique. They are undermining Ngannou by saying absurd things like Volk could beat Crawford. As if.

 

[Tweak896]

It is like they are trivializing everything that Ngannou has accomplished by thinking any MMA striker will well against any top boxer. I guess the critics didnt have their field day to shit on Ngannou so now they have to shit on HW boxing

Exactly. I mean it's pretty crazy, because I'm sure there are guys with Ngannou power and chin who probably don't have basics to land shit out there.

 

[Greg House]

Boxing fans on full damage control with all these cope threads LMAO

Ngannou & the sport of Boxing won. The only real loser in this situation is the UFC.

Yes, boxing won. This was a great victory for boxing

 

[ookii]

Boxing fans on full damage control with all these cope threads LMAO


Yes, boxing won. This was a great victory for boxing

Well I see it as a positive for boxing since they just gained a new star out of Francis something that UFC wasn't able to quite capitalize on. Interest for Francis has risen quite a lot even if it has to come out Fury's expense

 

[MotorCityCobra]

Fury showed up similarly unprepared against John McDermott and got his ass handed to him and won a real robbery. Does anyone think McDermott beats Ngannou??

Certain guys especially drug addiction PED abusers who balloon up 100 lbs between fighters are not guys who represent an entire sport regardless of what dorks on here want to believe. Only time will tell though I do actually think Ngannou has the goods.

Similar to everything else, go look at my post history back when this fight was announced...I thought it was close to a pickem and suggested ngannou would beat Wilder...BEFORE this fight happened. I like how everyone plays the no way it is competitive in an obvious competitive match up then after oversells how good their guy did.

 

[HatersUnited]

I mean, for argument sake, who could possibly be ranked higher p4p of combat sports? Francis, achieved UFC HW gold, defended, already smoked the entire division rising to the ranks of the belt, and then, challenged the boxing HW champion, and delivered a masterful performance, in which 99% of people thought he won. No other MMA champion can make that claim to GOAT, can feasibly compare to have doing that. They can only say they won UFC HW gold, and then defended against yester-years competition. Islam / Jones, they haven't done the same. Only Francis can make that claim, and to me, he is the new combat sports fighter GOAT of the world. And I say this as massive fans of other GOAT fighters, eras, organizations.

If he had the chance to defend the belt a couple more times and beat Jones in the process, that would have been all time goat status for me, but he decided to be the trail blazer that he his and shock the world against Fury. I say good for him and his team for the path they chose and being successful. I still got Stipe as UFC heavyweight goat, because what he was able to accomplish. Sure, great chance Francis could have gone on to supersede Stipe's achievements, but we will never know for sure and the current contenders would have made things very interesting. Henry Cejudo has a strong case for being a combat sports goat. Alex P., if he wins the lhw weight title he has a stake in goat status too. This is why it is hard for me to give Francis p4p goat status. The heavyweights will never have operate on the same skill level as the lower classes, even though he is very skilled for such a big guy. Easily the most scariest baddest dude around right now.

 

[tastaylvr]

Literally close to noone thinks Fury is even a top 10 all time HW. Sorry Joe Rogan doesn't count lol.

lol at Fury being arguably the best HW boxer ever. Renders everything else you've said null and void.

Is he in the discussion or not? There are heaps of people who say he is. He is at the very least in the conversation and at the minimum top 10. Even the biggest Tyson hater says he is in the top 10 at minimum.

Also lol@you two both ignoring my point

Boxing is a useless martial art. If they changed gloves and just added kicking then would Tyson even be alive vs Francis? Boxing stance in general is useless because it doesn't work in the real world.

 

[tastaylvr]

If he had the chance to defend the belt a couple more times and beat Jones in the process, that would have been all time goat status for me, but he decided to be the trail blazer that he his and shock the world against Fury. I say good for him and his team for the path they chose and being successful. I still got Stipe as UFC heavyweight goat, because what he was able to accomplish. Sure, great chance Francis could have gone on to supersede Stipe's achievements, but we will never know for sure and the current contenders would have made things very interesting. Henry Cejudo has a strong case for being a combat sports goat. Alex P., if he wins the lhw weight title he has a stake in goat status too. This is why it is hard for me to give Francis p4p goat status. The heavyweights will never have operate on the same skill level as the lower classes, even though he is very skilled for such a big guy. Easily the most scariest baddest dude around right now.

bruh

Jones was never going to move up if Francis was still there. There is a reason he waited until he left.

Jon Jones is a good fighter but he is like Floyd. He waits until people are old and washed to vs them or just ducks.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

If he had the chance to defend the belt a couple more times and beat Jones in the process, that would have been all time goat status for me, but he decided to be the trail blazer that he his and shock the world against Fury. I say good for him and his team for the path they chose and being successful. I still got Stipe as UFC heavyweight goat, because what he was able to accomplish. Sure, great chance Francis could have gone on to supersede Stipe's achievements, but we will never know for sure and the current contenders would have made things very interesting. Henry Cejudo has a strong case for being a combat sports goat. Alex P., if he wins the lhw weight title he has a stake in goat status too. This is why it is hard for me to give Francis p4p goat status. The heavyweights will never have operate on the same skill level as the lower classes, even though he is very skilled for such a big guy. Easily the most scariest baddest dude around right now.

Francis beat Stipe though for the UFC heavyweight gold, so I can't say Stipe is the UFC HW goat. Francis also smoked everyone in the division prior to that, getting back that win over Stipe. Therefore to me, Stipe is #2 in that scenario. Francis also cleared out the division, and beat Stipe. For the other fighters, they haven't had the opportunity to box a boxing champion, and therefore to me, Francis is the undisputed GOAT of all time. They prob wont get that chance either, and it's not their fault, but Francis was able to do it, took the risk, and now he reaps the rewards and justification of GOAT. I also think P4P is a little stupid, but whatever. to me P4P boils down to make believe. "Squirrels are super fast, have insane endurance, look at their skill levels. This one squirrel has been at the top against all other squirrels for a long ass time, therefore, Squirrel > Lion." To me, that's a no dog. In pure combat sports argument, Francis is without a doubt the GOAT for not only achieving UFC hw gold by beating Stipe, but also crossing over to boxing and arguably beating Tyson Fury. No other MMA champion has done that, and probably wont for a long ass time.

 

[tastaylvr]

Exactly. I mean it's pretty crazy, because I'm sure there are guys with Ngannou power and chin who probably don't have basics to land shit out there.

MMA strikers would all land in a real fight. Boxing striking is stupid because you strike differently when you don't need to worry about kicks and grappling. Boxing is just like BJJ tournaments. Pointless evolution that only creates techniques that are effective against other specialists. It is completely useless in the real world.

A better discussion would be if Boxers could strike MMA fighters in the cage.

 

[MotorCityCobra]

Is he in the discussion or not? There are heaps of people who say he is. He is at the very least in the conversation and at the minimum top 10. Even the biggest Tyson hater says he is in the top 10 at minimum.

Also lol@you two both ignoring my point

Boxing is a useless martial art. If they changed gloves and just added kicking then would Tyson even be alive vs Francis? Boxing stance in general is useless because it doesn't work in the real world.

I don't think he is top ten but he is definitely in discussion especially due to modern day bias and lack of historical knowledge.

Martial arts don't work in what real world? The real world where people street fight fairly? Boxing is obviously an effective martial art, but people who are specialists in boxing obviously are at enormous disadvantage in a theoretical fair street fight. Doesn't everyone know this already?

Doesn't change fact that at a certain size and weight all bets are off.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

MMA lost big time

You’re wrong. And everybody knows it.

Let’s be clear.. I do not watch boxing. And I haven’t for 30 years. When I was a child, though. ALL of the biggest boxing matches of the era were on free American network tv on Wide World of Sports. I’m talking about 1970 and after. I just lost my liking for it after about 20 years.

The “lineal” UFC HW Champion lost a split decision to what people are saying is the “greatest HW boxer of this era”.

How is that a good look for boxing? It was Ngannou’s FIRST PRO BOXING MATCH. At 37 years old with very little activity in mma for years.

I’m pretty sure a lot of purist boxing fans now understand quite easily how he became a UFC champion. He punches pretty damn hard. Yet Stipe whooped him in his first TS in his 13th pro mma fight.

Fast forward to pro mma fight number 19, and he beat Stipe by KO. Fair and square. And then left the company after 20 pro mma fights as the reigning UFC HW champion.

Yet he almost beat a guy that looked like a complete bum to me. It was Ngannou’s FIRST PRO BOXING MATCH. If that guy is the best HW boxer of the era, that’s embarrassing as fuck. And EVERYBODY knows it, including you. Ngannou is literally going to be ranked in the top 10 after LOSING his first pro boxing match. How is that a good look for boxing?

Ngannou was not active. He was not a draw. And the UFC offered him the most money to a HW in the history of the company.

They would have liked to keep him. But they wouldn’t and couldn’t have given in on allowing Ngannou to box. He wasn’t a huge loss to the UFC. Which was proven when Jones beat Gane so easily.

If anything the match yesterday makes mma look a lot better than it did before the fight. Ngannou is the first ex-UFC champion still in his prime to crossover.

The boxing community is EMBARRASSED. They’ve said so. Fans, media, fighters.. They took the biggest black eye imaginable in the match yesterday. Including the fact that MANY people say boxing is corrupt as fuck.

You’ve always been a troll. But in a silly kind of way. Now you look like a traditional troll. Which translates to not very intelligent, and/or dishonest. Boxing got besmirched yesterday.. And YOU KNOW IT.

 

[Tweak896]

MMA strikers would all land in a real fight. Boxing striking is stupid because you strike differently when you don't need to worry about kicks and grappling. Boxing is just like BJJ tournaments. Pointless evolution that only creates techniques that are effective against other specialists. It is completely useless in the real world.

A better discussion would be if Boxers could strike MMA fighters in the cage.

I mean bare knuckle is sort of like this.

 

[Reach Finesse]

Heavyweights are the least skilled in both sports.

Deontay Wilder could beat a lot of lower level UFC heavyweights in MMA

 

[mjfan23]

Absolutely. Wilder fight obviously fascinating, such an extreme power matchup.

Usyk is perhaps the most interesting of all imo. Usyk is the most skilled HW by some margin, but as we've seen throughout Ngannou's entire career power is a hell of an equaliser. And Francis looked like a fucking tank yesterday, even age 37, he's never looked better.

And as slick as Usyk is, let's be honest it's unrealistic to think any fighter doesn't get hit.

People always used to say "Oh Floyd never gets hit". He got hit plenty, including flush by wild fighters like Maidana, Floyd just happened to have an excellent chin on top of all his other attributes.

Yes the usyk fight will be very interesting. I though think Fury will bully usyk and throw a wrench in that matchup for now. Styles make fight, I want to see how he overcome Gypsy gym bullying him inside.

but if they do fight will be a hell of a fight. Francis along with that power has such a proven chin that he might give usyk opportunities just to catch him with return fire. Francis has a great chin and he knows it.