Kind of makes MMA look bad

[nostradumbass]

It was pretty embarrassing for boxing when their HW champ just had a split decision with an MMA fighter who'd never boxed before, and the GOAT boxer took some damage, lost rounds and needed 10 rounds against another MMA fighter who'd never boxed before.

The same way boxers always called their sport "the sweet science" and were convinced it takes years of dedication to get good at, MMA fans like to pretend MMA is too difficult to cross over and you'd get exposed if you were "1 dimensional". Nope, turns out it doesn't take much time at all for someone who's big and athletic to cancel out your years of training.

Lesnar showed up from WWE in his 30s with no MMA background and just a collegiate wrestling career 8 years before, and was champ within 8 months of his UFC debut.

Around the same time, Jon Jones had no MMA training and just had junior college wrestling before failing out and living in his GF's parents' basement, and turned pro about the same time he started training and was in the UFC within 4 months beating a bunch of veterans and becoming champ.

Cro Cop was a pro kickboxer just from kicking a heavy bag in his garage, then turned pro in MMA and was a top guy in no time.

Adesanya was a kickboxer who wasn't even the best at that, and didn't even train any grappling until he was already a pro.

Pereira had a kickboxing career until his mid 30s and just came over with no wrestling matches or grappling competitions and has won belts in 2 divisions within 10 fights.

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

lol, if they are using a martial art to win.... then how can Mixed Martial Arts look bad?

 

[MarleyLynx]

It's mixed martial arts. It doesn't surprise me expert martial artists do well even when it's mixed. It doesn't make MMA look bad at all. It makes it look beautiful.

 

[usernamee]

it'll look worse when Anthony Smith slips in on a banana peel vs Alex in a title fight and manages to become champion in the world leading organization of MMA

 

[b00tysweat]

Don't forget Ronda the judoka.

Or Cormier and Cejudo the wrestlers.

literally the whole point of MMA is to showcase various martial arts and see how they stack up.

 

[Bruce Lee666]

Alex trains like a Demon he has a champion mentality, He could just stay at Glory but he was humble enough to try another sport and started training Grappling not many guys have courage to change and do something new it's safe stay in your confort Zone.

Alex is not a Werdum or Tom who train Grappling since childhood and never will be but he has a decent ground game and soon will gain his black belt in jiu jitsu.

 

[Venom]

It doesn't surprise me when good combatants in one sport do well in another. I think we got over this a while ago actually.

 

[TheBulge]

OP is being a little weasel who carefully adjusts his wording to alter facts so that the story can fit into his narrative. Like for example below:

Pereira had a kickboxing career until his mid 30s and just came over with no wrestling matches or grappling competitions and has won belts in 2 divisions within 10 fights.

He has to alter the requirements into "matches or competitions" in order to hide the fact that Pereira had already been training grappling for many years with a world class MMA grappler before ending up in the UFC.

Which is a very sifnificant piece of context that he tries to hide by altering his requirements.

 

[TheBulge]

It doesn't surprise me when good combatants in one sport do well in another. I think we got over this a while ago actually.

In fact this is how it all started. "Specialists" in either striking or grappling going into MMA and learning the other fighting aspects.
This is simply part of the age old debate of fighters training MMA since the start vs specialists going into MMA to learn everything else.

Most people still think the specialists are usually the better fighters.

 

[IronGolem007]

Khabib was the opposite: an elite Sambo player/grappler, who learned "just enough" kickboxing to get by.

Alex is elite in striking. Period.

He has learned enough in grappling to prevent the takedown (or to get back up when taken down), so that the fight goes back to stand-up.

Once it does, Alex will have an advantage over everyone.

He's now brown belt in BJJ, and he actually tires his opponents out who try to keep him down.

It's no wonder he's a dual, 2-division Champion.

He is a huge dude, with deadly striking abilities + unique physical gifts.

This doesn't make MMA "look bad"; it means Alex Pereira has "mixed" his martial arts to suit his style, strengths and gifts.

 

[linvillegorge]

lol, if they are using a martial art to win.... then how can Mixed Martial Arts look bad?

This. The original intent of the UFC was to determine the best fighting style. Well, it was really the Gracie's seeking to prove that BJJ was the best fighting style but I digress. What has been proven over time is that there is no best style. We've seen great fighters from a variety of different disciplines. But it has been proven that if you're woefully deficient in any particular area you're gonna have a hard time.

 

[Bojka]

I think Pereira was handled very well by the UFC. He was kept away from top level guys with any grappling to give him time to develop there and now he has years of training under his belt with Glover, etc. now that he's having to fight guys like Jan and Jiri. And he's only going to keep improving before having to fight guys like Ankalaev. His next fight is against Hill, which is fortunate for him.

 

[nostradumbass]

lol, if they are using a martial art to win.... then how can Mixed Martial Arts look bad?

Well that's kind of the point. It doesn't take very long to learn.

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

Well that's kind of the point. It doesn't take very long to learn.

So when you entering the cage homeboy?

 

[kuroro]

Pereira had a kickboxing career until his mid 30s and just came over with no wrestling matches or grappling competitions and has won belts in 2 divisions within 10 fights.

i hate to say this about pereira, but he was obviously given the hype train treatment. if he had to climb the ranks like belal muhammad has, would he have even made it to adesanya? all he had to do was beat three cans before getting a title shot (where he was losing badly until the very end.) that makes a huge difference.

 

[mjfan23]

It’s not like a YouTuber is beating our champs

 

[nostradumbass]

So when you entering the cage homeboy?

I'm not, and I'm not joining powerslap or getting kicked in the nuts for youtube clicks either.

 

[Rio Ferdinand]

Everyone knows how to fight. You’re born with that instinct.

Not everyone can take a punch and the come back for more though.

 

[colorles]

Everyone knows how to fight. You’re born with that instinct.

Not everyone can take a punch and the come back for more though.

people arn't born knowing how to fight. have you ever seen untrained men fighting?

with that said, larger men with heavy hands and granite chins is a genetic thing. so yeah, having the genetics of a fighter is important

 

[TheBulge]

i hate to say this about pereira, but he was obviously given the hype train treatment. if he had to climb the ranks like belal muhammad has, would he have even made it to adesanya? all he had to do was beat three cans before getting a title shot (where he was losing badly until the very end.) that makes a huge difference.

So the current champ who was taken apart in 1 minute with ease by Pereira was a "can".

You have no credibility.