International E Jean Carroll Bests Donald J Trump to the Tune of $83 million

[Bob Gray]

Fair enough, but do you think there could have been a jurors or 2 on fence that thought he's not testifying because he's guilty?.

Of course. At the end of the day its always possible for a jury to swing one way or another for any number of reasons. But people disagree with verdicts all the time, and pointing to the verdict isnt really an argument to its veracity.

The easiest example to pick is OJ, even though thats a criminal trial. But the point is people think he's guilty for a multitude of reasons and simply pointing to the fact that the jury found him not guilty isnt in and of itself an effective argument against those reasons.

A recent example would be the Rittenhouse case, again even though its criminal trial. But its a decent example to illustrate my point. I thought the whole trial itself was basically a sham and didnt hold up to legal standards. If I meet someone who thinks Rittenhouse was guilty and should have been convicted, we can have a conversation about it and I can illustrate my reasons as to why I dont think he was guilty without referring to the fact that he was found not guilty.

In this particular case, almost everything seems to be self referential to the jury verdict itself, or why the jury might think something. Some of it is fair as to why the jury made the decision they did (i.e. Trump is an ass), but none of it is an explanation as to why the case even existed in the first place based on the evidence available. And then why certain evidence was allowed that would influence the jury to make the decision they did (ie. hearsay and other accusations of things that were not comparable to what Carrol was accusing him of).

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Correlation doesn't equal causation. And I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here anyway. 6 elections out of the ones you posted are +/- 1 percent from 54. What makes you think the drop in support from women between Biden and Harris was specifically because of "the abortion question" and not the myriad other contributing factors people have identified since the election?

For that matter, why isn't this instead a question of why Biden's support was greater than for any Democrat in the previous 6 elections?

Edit: also, this is based upon exit polling. I don't have much confidence in that, especially these days.

My pointvis that it isn't misogyny. It's simply the norm.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Honestly, she can’t even prove that he was in New York at the same time as her. There’s just no way that I’m voting in her favor.

I don't think I would have either, but I can't fault the jury considering the instructions they were given.

 

[Belaya Smert]

I cant trust anyone that liked the Apprentice.
thats a deal breaker

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Say the fuck what?! How did I miss that this law was only valid for a year. They literally passed it to aid her case. No doubt at all.


Who are these people that were on the jury that found Trump liable for sexual assault with this evidence? This is wild.

Have you considered the systematic cover up of sexual abuse by the church and places like prisons? Even though the standard is only more likely than not maybe he would have won if he had taken the trial seriously. With his misogynist history and mistaking her for his ex-wife in an old photo with her probably sealed his fate.

 

[Andy Capp]

My pointvis that it isn't misogyny. It's simply the norm.

Did you read your own source?

"The gender gap in presidential vote choice refers to a difference between the percentage of women and the percentage of men voting for the winning candidate. In all years listed below, women voters are more likely than men voters to support Democratic winners and less likely than men voters to support Republican winners."

Yet Harris outperformed H. Clinton by 2 points with women and still lost. Exit polls fail to take into account variations in voter turnout, among other things.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Have you considered the systematic cover up of sexual abuse by the church and places like prisons? Even though the standard is only more likely than not maybe he would have won if he had taken the trial seriously. With his misogynist history and mistaking her for his ex-wife in an old photo with her probably sealed his fate.

dopey mcgropey was already cooked the moment his defense attorneys started making the argument that it wasn't sexual assault because the victim didn't scream while she was being sexually abused, and their client believed that she enjoyed it.

good luck finding a jury panel for a sexual battery case that takes the subject of sexual assault as humorously as you do. those kinds of people are long weeded out during voir dire. just how in the chicken fried fuck do you expect to win your case when your attorneys are out there making those kind of arguments, literally making light of sexual violence and even trying to justify it?

"i thought she was my ex-wife but then she didn't scream when i raped her!"

all the money in the world and that's the best defense that molestini cheetolini could muster up on his behalf while he fled the country just to avoid testifying at his own civil trial. at that point it doesn't even matter whether you did it or not. the jury is still going to think that you did and side with the other party because you couldn't even be bothered to show up to court to deny it and give your side of the story.

 

[cincymma79]

Have you considered the systematic cover up of sexual abuse by the church and places like prisons? Even though the standard is only more likely than not maybe he would have won if he had taken the trial seriously. With his misogynist history and mistaking her for his ex-wife in an old photo with her probably sealed his fate.

You can even prove they were in the same continent on the day she can’t recall

 

[Confucamus]

Have you considered the systematic cover up of sexual abuse by the church and places like prisons? Even though the standard is only more likely than not maybe he would have won if he had taken the trial seriously. With his misogynist history and mistaking her for his ex-wife in an old photo with her probably sealed his fate.

That is nowhere near enough to seal anybody's fate in a case like this. What sealed his fate was a NY jury that would have voted Trump guilty for literally anything they could have. It was always going to be a slam dunk.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

You can even prove they were in the same continent on the day she can’t recall

I know, I get it, but it's not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt it's just more likely than not. One side provided evidence and witnesses and the other side confused the plaintiff with his ex-wife and blew off most of the proceedings.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

That is nowhere near enough to seal anybody's fate in a case like this. What sealed his fate was a NY jury that would have voted Trump guilty for literally anything they could have. It was always going to be a slam dunk.

I guess that's debatable. What are your feelings on his trial in Florida in front of Cannon? I guess that was always going to be a slam dunk in his favor too?

 

[Bob Gray]

I know, I get it, but it's not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt it's just more likely than not. One side provided evidence and witnesses and the other side confused the plaintiff with his ex-wife and blew off most of the proceedings.

There were zero witnesses to anything to do with Trump and Carroll. All the witnesses testified to were things about the store itself, and she had two friends that say she told her that it happened. Thats about it.

The bigger issue is that a civil trial even took place with the evidence presented. All the reasons people argue in favor for the verdict are due to basically Trumps behavior during the trial or the trial itself, nobody ever argues that there was a solid civil case here that should have gone to trial in the first place.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Did you read your own source?

"The gender gap in presidential vote choice refers to a difference between the percentage of women and the percentage of men voting for the winning candidate. In all years listed below, women voters are more likely than men voters to support Democratic winners and less likely than men voters to support Republican winners."

Yet Harris outperformed H. Clinton by 2 points with women and still lost. Exit polls fail to take into account variations in voter turnout, among other things.

I did overlook 1 detail about the graph - it only shows white voters.

Harris got a high % of white voters (men and women) than Biden. Unfortunately I thought the graph was just men and women without taking race into account.

 

[Confucamus]

I guess that's debatable. What are your feelings on his trial in Florida in front of Cannon? I guess that was always going to be a slam dunk in his favor too?

No, I thought that was actually the one case that actually had some merit.

 

[Andy Capp]

I did overlook 1 detail about the graph - it only shows white voters.

Harris got a high % of white voters (men and women) than Biden. Unfortunately I thought the graph was just men and women without taking race into account.

Are you sure you overlooked only one detail? Really?

 

[Andy Capp]

No, I thought that was actually the one case that actually had some merit.

The one. So, the fake electors plot accusation had no merit, is that right?