Could Aspinall beat Gane?

[mkess101]

Fair fair. Usually I'm in other threads railing on Ngannou's knees never being the same since Stipe fight. Gane/Ngannou was a bizarre fight to say the least. HW is in a strange spot.

For the sake of the division I hope Texeira turns out to be the real deal. So few options otherwise. Just a bunch of rematches.

 

[muaythaibeast]

My only point is Gane has more stats backing up his wrestling and submissions than Aspinall. Yet people are giving Tom skills he hasn't proven yet. He's a quick and power striker with good boxing. Atleast good enough wrestling to handle the opponents he has already. But there is a possibility that Gane might have good enough TDD against Tom.

Gane has also been flat out dominated on the ground by severely injured guys not known for their grappling ability.
Its fair to say Tom hasn't had to defend takedowns against elite grapplers, but we can't question his defensive grappling when it hasn't failed him in 10 years. We have evidence that Gane's defensive grappling is poor based on the Ngannou fight. Even giving credit that Jones is a very good offensive wrestler, the complete lack of resistance from Gane was poor.

 

[muaythaibeast]

For the sake of the division I hope Texeira turns out to be the real deal. So few options otherwise. Just a bunch of rematches.

I like Texeira, I think he'll at worst beat the likes of Tuivasa and Lewis. Hard to think he won't get a title shot at some point.
There's still Almeida before we get to rematches so at least that's one decent fight to make for Tom.

 

[orca]

Lets just cut the bullshit here and have you outright say the retarded thing you're implying.


Do you think Ciryl Gane would beat Tom in grappling? yes or no?

i dont really know
if a cab driver can submitt him
why cant gane right?

lets cut the crap
show me a fight where tom uses his world class grappling skills il wait

 

[SuperAlly]

Do you think ?

Coulda stopped here to be fair

 

[Epsteins Guard]

Lmao gane sucks

He doesn't suck but I dunno why its supposedly a given that Gane is a better striker. Dude almost got knocked out by Tai Tuivasa ffs

 

[SuperAlly]

You and tweak have an embarrassingly bad ability to analyse MMA

Gane has also shown stamina and high volume striking while Tom has not and even shown severe lack of those abilities.

Consider the Arlovski fight when Tom hurt Arlovski quick but Arlovski didn't go down. Tom threw a short "flurry" of punches with zero sophistication and completely gassed himself resorting to just some weak body slaps and then hugging the second half of the round trying to recover.

Tom will not get a quick KO against Gane and if his stamina has not extremely improved he will be a sitting duck very fast and get smoked by Gane.

 

[Tweak896]

Gane has also been flat out dominated on the ground by severely injured guys not known for their grappling ability.
Its fair to say Tom hasn't had to defend takedowns against elite grapplers, but we can't question his defensive grappling when it hasn't failed him in 10 years. We have evidence that Gane's defensive grappling is poor based on the Ngannou fight. Even giving credit that Jones is a very good offensive wrestler, the complete lack of resistance from Gane was poor.

Very true, Gane has been outgrappled, where Aspinall has a perfect record with grappling right now. However, Gane also is pretty good keeping distance and every opponent knew since his debut that he was a French Kickboxer, so strategy is pretty simple to take him down. Aspinall was known as a young HW with a BJJ background, so many probably foolishly avoided takedowns.

But hey, just a couple years ago, people were also inflating Pavlovich's TDD with no merit. They said Overeem fight was just a hard debut and he wasn't expecting it, but Khabib said he had good wrestling so he's perfect for Jones. I just see so many parallels between the Pavlovich train and the current Aspinall train.

I do think Tom is well rounded, the only 2 guys he hasn't fought are Gane and Almeida. I figure he probably will wrestle Gane and force Almeida to stand and can make it look easy, then the HW division is essentially cleared. But both guys are a test for Tom, Gane could have better TDD to keep it standing and Almeida might be able to get Aspinall down with ease.

 

[mkess101]

i dont really know
if a cab driver can submitt him
why cant gane right?

lets cut the crap
show me a fight where tom uses his world class grappling skills il wait

LMAO the Volkov fight he slips a punch and hits a perfect TD, works Volkov over on the mat, and subs him inside a round.

Sometimes you clowns make it too easy.

 

[dildos]

aspinall would beat gane rather easily.

 

[-Sideways-]

A better question would be does Gane survive the first round?

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

the only way gane wins is under kickboxing rules. it's an mma fight and he's barely an mma fighter, he's basically a kickboxer competing in a cage.

I think Tom scorches him in kickboxing too

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

Depends. If Aspinall goes grappling-heavy and tries to beat Gane by taking him to the ground, he handles that, if successful.

If he tries to primarily outstrike Gane, no one has pulled that off yet, in the UFC. Gane probably wins if it stays on the feet.

I have serious doubts about this. Gane's calling card is speed, and IMO Tom is faster. Gane would have to be backing up point fighting off his back foot and it just takes one glancing blow from Tom to drop guys we've seen it repeatedly.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

Tom gassed so badly vs AA that he teed off on him in rd 2 until AA begged to be taken down and subbed.

Gane couldn't stop a hobbled striker in Ngannou from ragdolling him. Tom may well not even need his speed and power edge standing. Could just take Gane down and smoke him on the mat.

This. Tom minor advantage standing, huge advantage grappling. He just sprints across and tackles him if he wants.

 

[SuperAlly]

Gane has also been flat out dominated on the ground by severely injured guys not known for their grappling ability.
Its fair to say Tom hasn't had to defend takedowns against elite grapplers, but we can't question his defensive grappling when it hasn't failed him in 10 years. We have evidence that Gane's defensive grappling is poor based on the Ngannou fight. Even giving credit that Jones is a very good offensive wrestler, the complete lack of resistance from Gane was poor.

Let’s be fair, it doesn’t matter if Tom’s defensive grappling is shit house because Gane isn’t gonna try and take him down. Whereas we know Tom can out grapple heavyweights and Gane has been taken down and controlled by others.

It’s an argument lacking in logic.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

if a cab driver can submitt him

The "cab driver" was a pretty high level judoka, you do realise that..right?

You also realise Tom was 22 years old and in his 4th pro fight, and this was 10 years ago....right?

 

[muaythaibeast]

Very true, Gane has been outgrappled, where Aspinall has a perfect record with grappling right now. However, Gane also is pretty good keeping distance and every opponent knew since his debut that he was a French Kickboxer, so strategy is pretty simple to take him down. Aspinall was known as a young HW with a BJJ background, so many probably foolishly avoided takedowns.

But hey, just a couple years ago, people were also inflating Pavlovich's TDD with no merit. They said Overeem fight was just a hard debut and he wasn't expecting it, but Khabib said he had good wrestling so he's perfect for Jones. I just see so many parallels between the Pavlovich train and the current Aspinall train.

I do think Tom is well rounded, the only 2 guys he hasn't fought are Gane and Almeida. I figure he probably will wrestle Gane and force Almeida to stand and can make it look easy, then the HW division is essentially cleared. But both guys are a test for Tom, Gane could have better TDD to keep it standing and Almeida might be able to get Aspinall down with ease.

I see Almeida as potentially interesting. Its the final real challenge for him to overcome.
Gane not so much. Even if he keeps it standing and manages to win a round or 2, he isn’t going to dance around for 5 and avoid been finished.
I'd go as far as to say Gane offers less threat to Tom than Lewis does. At least with Lewis if he lands he could get a finish.
Pavlovich was also the real deal until he ran into Tom. He had 6 KOs in a row and was an absolute monster. I'm fairly comfortable saying that his loss to Tom changed him as a fighter in the same way that Costa wasn't the same after the Izzy loss.

 

[muaythaibeast]

The "cab driver" was a pretty high level judoka, you do realise that..right?

You also realise Tom was 22 years old and in his 4th pro fight, and this was 10 years ago....right?

Spot on. We've seen Anderson lose repeatedly to cans and GSP tap to strikes against a journeyman lightweight, but Tom's career is over because he lost a fight.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Spot on. We've seen Anderson lose repeatedly to cans and GSP tap to strikes against a journeyman lightweight, but Tom's career is over because he lost a fight.

A loss that early in someones career shouldnt be held against them. Nobody is at their best at 22 years old and 4 fights in.

 

[spinitch]

reflecting on Sean O’Malley’s recent outings lighting conditions could tilt the advantage either way for Gane or Tom. Just a whim guess but favor Tom with lights on and Gane with lights off.