Cormier had low T/E ratio's

[eNoq]

Cormier might be on something, who knows.
But a 35 year old man carrying quite a bit of excess fat having a ratio of 0.4, 0.48-
compared to a 27 year old shredded superb athlete's 0.29, 0.35, 0.19 is NIGHT and DAY.

 

[Thanos]

If I'm reading what they wrote correctly, a .4 and .48 ratio would be equivalent to .8/1 and .96/1. That's if I'm reading it correctly.

You are correct

alot of people just see decimals and start screaming, I blame urban education

 

[Anberlin69]

DC fans on DC's low Levels... "It's normal", "he's old", "he's fat", "blah blah blah", "and a bunch of other bullshit."

DC fans on Jones low levels... "He's cheating."


Gotta love it.

And what are the Jones fans saying?

Dumbass

 

[Alexandergreat3]

OMGOMGOMG!!! He is on something!1111

Jones haters will look right over this.

Those dudes were 2 women fighting in there apparently. Jones highest test was .35:1 which is basically the same as Cormier .4:1. Why not someone tweet this to Victor Conte? Oh that's right, only Jones haters exist.

Jones haters? Who's that? LOL!

It's funny how all these Sherdog physiologists came out of the woodwork and starting claiming T/E ratio is a clear indication of PED usage, and they start quoting Victor Conte...

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

And what are the Jones fans saying?

We're saying he passed all his tests, including the high and mighty CIR test that Conte and the twitter doctors said would be determinant, until he passed them.

DC passed too. This thread is just to shove it in faces.

But it doesn't matter. All the resident scientists and their 1 day of googling degrees will continue to call it bullshit and a conspiracy. Reminds me of evolution denialists. "I don't understand it, so it can't be true!"

 

[j98]

Since you guys all love to talk about Jones' test score, here are Daniels per a report.

"By contrast, Daniel Cormier, Jones' opponent at UFC 182, had a T/E ratio of .4 on Dec. 2 and .48 on Dec. 17. Cormier passed both those tests."

This is well below the 1:1 that everyone is claiming to be normal. I guess DC may be trying to cheat too.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/8...on-head-jon-jones-testosterone-clean-prior-to

How much does the UFC pay for this job? Do they pay per post? Do you have a quota of posts to meet each month or what?

 

[straight6]

Jones in your name and AV so I know I'm wasting time, but let me help others with this.

*Jones' 0.35 is better but the 0.19 and the flux is part of the concern.
*Cormier's 0.4 is more than double Jone's low test and did not flux as intensely.
*Cormier is older, and after 30 T-levels drop significantly.
*SHouldn't you be concerned your 27-year-old fighter has HALF the T/E ratio of a guy nearly a decade older?


But let me be clear. Jones isn't really the issue at this point. THe problem is that the NSAC seems fine with covering their own ass and not on finding out why a 27-year-old epic stud athlete had a "watery sample" and was 0.29, 0.35, 0.19 on his T/E wherein the epi-testosterone was incredibly high.

very much agree.

 

[RedRackham]

He has like 10 years or more on jones and is higher, lol.

Next thing you'll tell me is Hendo's is low too.

 

[machidafan99]

There all on hot sauce pretty much.

 

[efalk1322]

How much does the UFC pay for this job? Do they pay per post? Do you have a quota of posts to meet each month or what?

$100 per hour, good gig.

but really, why would me posting DC's level mean the UFC is paying me to post? You on that coco too bro?

 

[SnowBlynd]

We're saying he passed all his tests, including the high and mighty CIR test that Conte and the twitter doctors said would be determinant, until he passed them.

DC passed too. This thread is just to shove it in faces.

But it doesn't matter. All the resident scientists and their 1 day of googling degrees will continue to call it bullshit and a conspiracy. Reminds me of evolution denialists. "I don't understand it, so it can't be true!"

Honestly all the evidence points to something not adding up. The guys that are buying into the ufc's / acs response remind more of the religious zealots who refuse to believe what the scientists are saying.

 

[Nova Union]

DC is 35 years old and his levels were still higher than 27 yo Jones lol

This

Spoiler

JONES HATER!!! U JUST HATE JONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[neomage2021]

Wouldn't surprise me if he was on something but I would believe that someone of Cormier's age and body type had low T than Jones' would.

Hope they do a CIR on both samples in question.

They did CIR on both cormier and jones. Both came back clean.

 

[Rusk]

Maybe someone can correct me but doesn't excess fat cause lower T?

fat cells do got estrogen in them

 

[neomage2021]

No it is not. 1:1 is not expected levels but the expected ratio. .4:.48 translated to .8:1.

Cormier's t/e ratio is pretty close to normal.

what the fuck are you on? .4 was for one test and .48 was form another test on another day. YOu dont combine the two

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

what the fuck are you on? .4 was for one test and .48 was form another test on another day. YOu dont combine the two

Yep. I misread that.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

Honestly all the evidence points to something not adding up. The guys that are buying into the ufc's / acs response remind more of the religious zealots who refuse to believe what the scientists are saying.

Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of the WADA-accredited laboratory in Montreal, saw no problem with Jones' T/E ratio.

One way to manipulate a T/E ratio downward would be to take epitestosterone, but Ayotte said that would be easily detected in a screening.

"I read the interviews of 'specialists' on that topic [in MMA media accounts], and, well, I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal," she said. " … The administration of epitestosterone is easily detected. It does not give a small increase that looks natural, but a huge peak that is very difficult to control. I have seen only one case of attempted masking with epitestosterone and it was readily detected.

"Epitestosterone is not metabolized rapidly and stays high. An epitestosterone urine sample does not look like the ones you sent me."

Dick Pound, the former president of WADA, is a tax attorney, not a scientist, but he is well-versed in the topic. He said Jones' T/E ratio seemed "suspicious," but praised Ayotte's integrity.

"Christiane is a great scientist and I can guarantee you she's not on anyone's payroll," Pound said. "If she said that, it's what she believes and it's a strong endorsement."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nevada...esults-show-no-signs-of-doping-013131428.html

 

[j98]

$100 per hour, good gig.

but really, why would me posting DC's level mean the UFC is paying me to post? You on that coco too bro?

No, Its just I see you post a lot of pro-UFC stuff whenever there is controversy.

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

Yep. I misread that.

Lol you're gonna get a lot of those. This is a crazy time on Sherdog.

 

[Alexandergreat3]

*Jones' 0.35 is better but the 0.19 and the flux is part of the concern.
*Cormier's 0.4 is more than double Jone's low test and did not flux as intensely.

There are a few possible reasons. One obvious reason is everyone's is different biologically.

Even when people eat the same food, live similar lifestyles, take the same medication, their bodies don't respond exactly the same.

What you're suggesting is Jones' and Cormier's numbers should flux similarly, but that's not physiologically reasonable. They're two separate individuals - not identical twins, with different genetics, different age, different training schedules, different eating habits, lifestyles, and so on.

*Cormier is older, and after 30 T-levels drop significantly.
*SHouldn't you be concerned your 27-year-old fighter has HALF the T/E ratio of a guy nearly a decade older?

Jones was on Cocaine at some point during the "out of competition tests"; Cormier was not.

But let me be clear. Jones isn't really the issue at this point. THe problem is that the NSAC seems fine with covering their own ass and not on finding out why a 27-year-old epic stud athlete had a "watery sample" and was 0.29, 0.35, 0.19 on his T/E wherein the epi-testosterone was incredibly high.

Using epitestosterone as a masking agent is definitely a possibility. But correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they also test for masking agents, too? As far as I know, masking agents are also on the list of things they test for in urine tests.

So if there is no indication of masking agent (Epitestosterone) in Jones urine, you can't just suggest that his low numbers were due to masking agent while suggesting that Cormier's low numbers were not...

That reeks of bias and prejudice.