best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat in Future UFC/MMA WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

Is there a time frame for when the best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat? We could then revisit this to see if the predictions come to fruition.
 
skobydog said:
Is there a time frame for when the best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat? We could then revisit this to see if the predictions come to fruition.
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There is only one elite wrestler who holds a UFC belt

One man is an elite wrestler

That means EVERYBODY else that holds a UFC belt has never even earned a single medal in the sport of wrestling

Not a gold

Not a silver

Not a bronze

#one elite wrestler is a UFC champion
 
rmongler said:
'Israel Adesanya is a freestyle wrestler' is not a statement that is coming from rational logic, but from emotional logic.

In his mind, 'freestyle wrestling' is associated with 'good'; Adesanya recently won a middleweight championship, so he likely figures prominently in the consciousness of the semi-conscious lemming crowd as of this current moment; if he is prompted to 'think of a good mma fighter', that's likely something that will be thought of first.

So, if 'freestyle wresting is good', and 'Israel Adesanya is good', then those two thoughts meet somewhere inside his head and produce 'Israel Adesanya is a freestyle wrestler'.

QED
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#Spin 101

it's not often when you encounter a post that is so ripe with spin that it is truly a joy to respond to

as with all spin attempts the statement will carry a shred of truth and be spun into a theory that is wildly inaccurate

while Spin Doctors are well aware that their statements are untrue they become invested in the "cause" and lose any ability to retain a rational assessment

they are usually good at covering their tracks however in this case the failure is quite evident as my statement was made in a few posts prior yet not quoted for some highly suspicious reason

LOL

#discount kelly ann

if anyone is still curious i said adesanya trained with freestyle wrestlers

That implies his wrestling skills came from the freestyle wrestlers he trained with as they have no folkstyle wrestling outside of the american school system

the mistake is understandable as the respondent knows nothing of wrestling and can quite easily be mixed up, confused and irritable

And then again...
There is always the theory of a nefarious agenda

#sherdamsel
#discount kelly ann
#knows NOTHING OF WRESTLING
 
When a solipsist criticizes someone, they are telling you about themselves.

-guerilla- said:
i said adesanya trained with freestyle wrestlers
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Someone asked you for examples of 'strikers who use 'freestyle' takedowns' who were dominant in the UFC, and you replied with a picture of Israel Adesanya, and man with zero completed takedowns in his UFC career.

Whereupon, when pressed upon this point, you started backpedaling and dissimulating. Your only consistent point is lack of consistent point.

'I never said what i said': spin 101.
 
rmongler said:
When a solipsist criticizes someone, they are telling you about themselves.




Someone asked you for examples of 'strikers who use 'freestyle' takedowns' who were dominant in the UFC, and you replied with a picture of Israel Adesanya, and man with zero completed takedowns in his UFC career.

Whereupon, when pressed upon this point, you started backpedaling and dissimulating. Your only consistent point is lack of consistent point.

'I never said what i said': spin 101.
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Kelly ann...

he asked me for strikers who used freestyle takedowns that were DOMINANT in UFC??

And i gave him a striker and a guy who uses freestyle takedowns who are both dominant in UFC

#kelly ann

You see folkstyle wrestling only exists in the American school system

Thus

All non American athletes are exclusively trained in freestyle

Its confusing cause you dont know shit about wrestling

#kelly ann dont know wrasslin
 
Israel Adesanya has zero completed takedowns in his UFC career.

-guerilla- has schiziophrenia.
 
TapMachine said:
Yeah, he seems(ed?) like a bright wrestler prospect.
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I don't think this loss takes anything away from him as his coaches should be going insane because he seems to want to build a Mike Tyson style knockout highlight reel rather than carefully use wrestling to beat his opponents in the typical boring wrestling way...in his recent fight vs Stewart he just gassed out trying too hard to get the takedown and kept losing control on the ground

Quite often promoters admonish wrestlers to try to do more striking as they don't want a board crowd watching a lay n Pray scenario unfold yet again

His most recent fight Illustrated well that folkstyle wrestlers are not any better at holding people down then freestyle wrestlers despite that being a large concentration of theirs

the fact is folk style wrestlings hold down series is dependent on your opponent staying in Turtle as this is the only defensive position In folk style wrestling

You're also not allowed to clasp your hands in folkstyle wrestling and thus a lot of your more efficient rides are illegal hence folkstyle wrestlers tend to not be as good at holding people down as they are believed to be

I think this was a fallacy from the old BJJ vs. Wrestler days where the BJJ artists couldn't wrestle their way out of a wet paper bag and was literally taught to butt scoot their way to sweeps and submission attempts rather than fight back to their feet

now that athletes are getting some decent cross-training escaping from a wrestler is becoming Elementary...

Long story short he's a great athlete that will have a bright career but he needs to learn Tyson style head movement and striking combinations before he gets in there and tries to do his Mike Tyson impression...use the peek a boo head movement to get under and throw some tight hooks then feed you takedowns off that.

Once again what a great example that folk style wrestlers aren't that good at holding people down as a pure mma fighter [not a specialist who converted] was able to escape all of his hold down attempts scramble back to his feet and beat him at the Striking contest

typical wrestling specialist that gassed trying to hold his opponent down after a strong start but had zero submission game and wants to be mike tyson more than dan gable



Darren Stewart is trained by freestyle wrestlers and is an MMA fighter from the start not a specialist that converted to MMA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Stewart_(fighter)
 
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beastman said:
Since Kron lost I thought BJJ was dead, wrestling too huh?
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Bjj as a specialty is LONG GONE

folkstyle wrestling is following it to the dustbin of MMA history

DC
Askern
Weidman

have all been dethroned

There is only ONE ELITE WRESTLER [good enough to medal] at the top of the UFC bracket today [and he is well crosstrained in freestyles as it is a far superior style of wrestling for MMA]

Division Champion Since Defenses
Heavyweight Stipe Miocic Aug 17, 2019 0
Light Heavyweight Jon Jones Dec 29, 2018 2
Middleweight Israel Adesanya Oct 6, 2019 0
Welterweight Kamaru Usman Mar 2, 2019 0
Lightweight Khabib Nurmagomedov Apr 7, 2018 2
Featherweight Max Holloway Jun 3, 2017 3
Bantamweight Henry Cejudo Jun 8, 2019 0
Flyweight Aug 4, 2018 1
Women[13][edit]
Division Champion Since Defenses
Featherweight Amanda Nunes Dec 29, 2018 0
Bantamweight Jul 9, 2016 4
Flyweight Valentina Shevchenko Dec 8, 2018 2
Strawweight Zhang Weili Aug 31, 2019 0
 
-guerilla- said:
I don't think this loss takes anything away from him as his coaches should be going insane because he seems to want to build a Mike Tyson style knockout highlight reel rather than carefully use wrestling to beat his opponents in the typical boring wrestling way...in his recent fight vs Stewart he just gassed out trying too hard to get the takedown and kept losing control on the ground

Quite often promoters admonish wrestlers to try to do more striking as they don't want a board crowd watching a lay n Pray scenario unfold yet again

His most recent fight Illustrated well that folkstyle wrestlers are not any better at holding people down then freestyle wrestlers despite that being a large concentration of theirs

the fact is folk style wrestlings hold down series is dependent on your opponent staying in Turtle as this is the only defensive position In folk style wrestling

You're also not allowed to clasp your hands in folkstyle wrestling and thus a lot of your more efficient rides are illegal hence folkstyle wrestlers tend to not be as good at holding people down as they are believed to be

I think this was a fallacy from the old BJJ vs. Wrestler days where the BJJ artists couldn't wrestle their way out of a wet paper bag and was literally taught to butt scoot their way to sweeps and submission attempts rather than fight back to their feet

now that athletes are getting some decent cross-training escaping from a wrestler is becoming Elementary...

Long story short he's a great athlete that will have a bright career but he needs to learn Tyson style head movement and striking combinations before he gets in there and tries to do his Mike Tyson impression...use the peek a boo head movement to get under and throw some tight hooks then feed you takedowns off that.

Once again what a great example that folk style wrestlers aren't that good at holding people down as a pure mma fighter [not a specialist who converted] was able to escape all of his hold down attempts scramble back to his feet and beat him at the Striking contest

typical wrestling specialist that gassed trying to hold his opponent down after a strong start but had zero submission game and wants to be mike tyson more than dan gable



Darren Stewart is trained by freestyle wrestlers and is an MMA fighter from the start not a specialist that converted to MMA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Stewart_(fighter)
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Thanks. Don't agree with absolutely everything you say, but you do raise interesting points and it's good to hear another opinion.
 
-guerilla- said:
what exactly do you disagree with?
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I think folkstyle wrestlers are really better at holding people down. Guys like Usman and Askren have great top control while guys like Cejudo and Yoel don't. Khabib is an anomaly and his base is really sambo, not wrestling, even though he definitely does train wrestling and has wrestled both with and under the tutelage of freestyle wrestlers (his father and other guys from his country) and collegiate wrestlers (guys at AKA).
 
-guerilla- said:
D 1 Wrestler said:

"School records dont mean anything when you admit you came to a non existent program"

(I took a 30yr old commonly LAST place team to the middle of the pack in districts and scored more points than any other coach in history with my freestyle/judo/folkstyle hybred style in 3 years as head coach)

D 1 Wrestler said:

"List your state records.clown coach"

(I just did...you read them,
thats how you know 9 points is what i scored...thats the school record)

Look man, you really look stupid at this point...I have answered all your questions and I am who I say I am...you are an anonymous internet forum denizen claiming wrestling status

Now say something about wrestling and not about my interrogation

# mad Im legit
# pawnshop ring?
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Is your name rusty parks?
 
one of The most accomplished wrestlers in UFC history on his 2nd loss in a row

# tide is turning
# wrestling is not the best base for mma
# ship is sailing



wrestlers beat guys who turn their back...Maia used guard...Askern turned his back

dont turn your back WRESTLERS!!!

MMA 101

# lesson learned??
 
-guerilla- said:
one of The most accomplished wrestlers in UFC history on his 2nd loss in a row

# tide is turning
# wrestling is not the best base for mma
# ship is sailing



wrestlers beat guys who turn their back...Maia used guard...Askern turned his back

dont turn your back WRESTLERS!!!

MMA 101

# lesson learned??
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Is your name Rusty Parks?
 
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