best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat in Future UFC/MMA WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

[-guerilla-]

And then you have people like Aldo in his prime that stuffed takedowns all day long and beat the shit out of them.

and GSP...specialists are disappearing

the true MMA fighter is on their way

 

[ImNotMirsadBektic]

Folkstyle wrestling/Sambo are the best bases for MMA. Freestyle wrestling and BJJ are decent too. Greco or Judo aren’t very good as bases, the things from those 2 arts are better as supplements.

Add a boxing base (for heavier weightclasses) or muay thai base (for lighter weightclasses) and you have the champion of almost every division ever in MMA.

 

[cooks1]

1) so WHEN DID these mma gyms appear and where are they?

2) you said: if you want to be an MMA champion, that it would be better to become highly proficient in one art before transitioning, almost all MMA champions became highly skilled in one art before transitioning to MMA

1) They probably started appearing 15 years or so ago in small numbers and expanded. They are everywhere. I live in St Augustine Florida, and there are 3-4 places kids can train MMA within a 20 minite drive from my house. 2 of them were open when I moved here in 2007.

2) That is exactly correct. Almost every single MMA champion became proficient in one art before transitioning and developing the rest of their MMA skills.

If you wanted to become champion at something, and virtually every single current and former champion in that endeavor followed a particular path, I'd say that's the advisable path.

 

[TheJohnnyWalkerEra]

Folkstyle wrestling/Sambo are the best bases for MMA. Freestyle wrestling and BJJ are decent too. Greco or Judo aren’t very good as bases, the things from those 2 arts are better as supplements.

Add a boxing base (for heavier weightclasses) or muay thai base (for lighter weightclasses) and you have the champion of almost every division ever in MMA.

It's almost like you tried to say everything wrong in this post lol

 

[cooks1]

and GSP...specialists are disappearing

the true MMA fighter is on their way

LOL...........Meanwhile every current MMA champ was a specialist in one art before transitioning. I think it's pretty obvious you are trolling at this point. I'll be moving along.

 

[ImNotMirsadBektic]

It's almost like you tried to say everything wrong in this post lol

Great reply, 5 secs of my life ill never get back.

 

[-guerilla-]

1) They probably started appearing 15 years or so ago in small numbers and expanded. They are everywhere. I live in St Augustine Florida, and there are 3-4 places kids can train MMA within a 20 minite drive from my house. 2 of them were open when I moved here in 2007.

2) That is exactly correct. Almost every single MMA champion became proficient in one art before transitioning and developing the rest of their MMA skills.

If you wanted to become champion at something, and virtually every single current and former champion in that endeavor followed a particular path, I'd say that's the advisable path.

OK lets break it down!!

of COURSE there are NO "PURE MMA ATHLETES"

there are no PURE MMA GYMS!!!!!

Go to one of these " MMA" gyms and you will QUICKLY find out that they "GLUE" several style together AND CALL IT MMA

THEY DO NOT HAVE PURE MMA GYMS

99.95% of american gyms USE multiple styles TRAINED SEPARATELY with a TINY FEW select individuals that show up for pure MMA SPARRING [pros]

thats because a PURE MMA gym would run like a BOXING GYM NOT A MARTIAL ARTS ACADEMY and thus be high risk LOW PROFIT plus likely UN-INSURABLE

thats a pretty untenable business model !!

in contrast lets look at ancient Greece...

the government built PUBLIC gyms that were near or completely FREE where people could train in whatever they wanted [equal access to public facilities]

they had ZERO insurance or Liability concerns and actually had a "sub gym" system that specialized in pankration [MMA]

THESE WERE PURE MMA GYMS...AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE PURE MMA GYMS because they are high risk/ low profit and un-insurable FOR the cost/ income difference

what we have in modern america is a well packaged business model that "glues" multiple traditional martial arts/combat sports together and calls it MMA with a tiny handful of pros that dont do much if any cross training but focus on MMA exclusively

no wonder Americans ARE FALLING BEHIND IN MMA!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palaestra

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/are-americans-falling-behind-in-mma.3894589/

 

[Erratic]

I think even you could beat Karelin in a MMA match...look at how bad he is at PANCRACE



Maybee not you but anybody who has a few years of training besides street beefs in the trailer park

#begs for cartoons

yet more evidence that proves that the best wrestlers in the world are not necessarily any good at MMA

People who spend their entire life perfecting their skills in the sport of wrestling are never going to be as good as somebody who trains in multiple disciplines from childhood and that athlete will not be as good as someone who trains in MMA by itself from childhood

Bjj wrestling and muay thai
"glued together" = 1/2 ass CORPORATE MMA training

#profit motive

LOL, you are very funny my friend.

I agree that some places clearly profit off of goofs that are newbies, but that happens in every form of martial arts, sports, business, you name it. Every business I've been involved in, theres always some sort of fraud or conmen at the frontlines tricking the fresh little ponys.

When did I beg for Cartoons? lol I dont understand your PM where you stated I am begging for Cartoons, I've got all the Cartoons already available One being you, the Ultimate Fucking Cartoon, the UFC!

 

[Erratic]

1) Been around for years. There are plenty of them. They are everywhere. And you know it. Shit, most major cities not only have places for kids to train, but places for them to actually fight.



You can find videos on youtube of kids MMA tournaments going back a decade. All over the world.

2) You are an idiot. What I said was that if you want to be an MMA champion, that it would be better to become highly proficient in one art before transitioning. And to back up that assertion, I pointed out that almost all MMA champions became highly skilled in one art before transitioning to MMA. And that part is not an opinion.

I tried to tell him I went to a 'pure MMA' gym that i found even 10 years ago, but he didn't listen. it wasn't hard to find at all, and only 10 ish minute drive away.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Cro cop and ALL soviet bloc athlete are trained by freestyle wrestlers...

you think those athletes travel to the USA to learn folkstyle

# school bell rings

Association Cro Cop Squad Gym
Country Croatia
Date of birth September 10, 1974
Height 6'2 / 187.96 cm
Weight 213 lbs / 97 kg
Titles K-1 Grand Prix '99 Finalist
I.K.B.F World Heavyweight Full Contact Champion
K-1 WORLD GP 2000 in Fukuoka Second Champion
Manager Zvonimir Lučić
Conditional coach Damir Siser
Jiu-jitsu coach
Boxing Coach Vlado Božić
Sparing partners Marinko Bobinac (Boxing)
Domagoj Ostojić (Kick boxing)
Igor Pokrajac (Wrestling)
Ivan Kralj (Wrestling)
Vjeko Rimac
Igor Kolakušić (Wrestling)
Stipe Damjanović (Wrestling)

http://www.zadar.net/dom/volarevic/profile_desno.htm

This Thread is about wrestling in MMA

Just because Mirko didn't train to BE A freestyle wrestler doesn't mean he's not trained IN Freestyle Wrestling

# American strip-mall fanboy

# school bell rings

originally posted
-guerilla-, Sep 15, 2019

Growing up in the Soviet Bloc doesn't make you a freestyle wrestler.

Where did he wrestle, when did he compete, and what was his freestyle wrestling record?

And again, if these guys are taking over you should be able to name more than one guy whose prime was 15 years ago.

So far, you've said CroCop (wrong), Zabit (wrong, he wrestled for 2 years then switched to sanda) Khabib (partly correct), and Israel Adesanya (so wrong you should hang your fat dumb head in shame over your stupidity).

Name me a top 3 and 3 top 10 guys in each division from 145 to 185 that are good strikers with freestyle takedowns.

You completely ignore any post that calls you out, then go on stupid rants about shit that doesn't matter. You're a big fucking baby in a geriatric fat body, mate.

 

[skobydog]

I'm not going to read through 49 pages so I'll ask here. If wrestling is not the best base then what is? Thank you

 

[-guerilla-]

LOL, you are very funny my friend.

I agree that some places clearly profit off of goofs that are newbies, but that happens in every form of martial arts, sports, business, you name it. Every business I've been involved in, theres always some sort of fraud or conmen at the frontlines tricking the fresh little ponys.

When did I beg for Cartoons? lol I dont understand your PM where you stated I am begging for Cartoons, I've got all the Cartoons already available One being you, the Ultimate Fucking Cartoon, the UFC!

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...e-holding-up-the-flag-that-yells-wow.3920689/

Its as if you are more into cartoons than the actual sports we are supposed ro be talking about if I didn't know better I'd say you were just looking for an opportunity to post more cartoons

 

[-guerilla-]

LOL, you are very funny my friend.

I agree that some places clearly profit off of goofs that are newbies, but that happens in every form of martial arts, sports, business, you name it. Every business I've been involved in, theres always some sort of fraud or conmen at the frontlines tricking the fresh little ponys.

When did I beg for Cartoons? lol I dont understand your PM where you stated I am begging for Cartoons, I've got all the Cartoons already available One being you, the Ultimate Fucking Cartoon, the UFC!

Yeah I read your thread where you were begging hardcore for them

"Please bae, for the sherbros!"

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...e-jones-gets-faceplant-kod-by-santos.3981359/

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...e-holding-up-the-flag-that-yells-wow.3920689/

# beggs for cartoons

 

[Docrob2354]

It's balancing out more with more strikers based fighter being able to deal with wrestlers, but a big portion of the champs will always be wrestlers. Cormier, Usman, Cejudo, Khabib are all strong wrestlers at the core. It's not just the style, but wrestlers are known to be mentality extremely strong due to the training being so hard compared to other disciplines. Say what you want but wrestling training feels much more terrible than kickbox, bjj, boxing training.

also Stipe, Cormier, Jones

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

I'm not going to read through 49 pages so I'll ask here. If wrestling is not the best base then what is? Thank you

It depends.
Guerilla will say it's Freestyle if you say it's folk. He will say MMA is the best base if you say it's wrestling. If you tell him there are no MMA purists currently excelling in MMA, he will say the question is a trick question and he's just psychologically manipulating Sherdog.

If you ask for strikers with freestyle takedowns, he will say Israel Adesanya (zero career takedowns). If you want a list of Soviet Bloc Freestyle wrestlers who are taking over MMA, he will say the Emelianenko brothers, Sergei K., and a bunch of no name MMA guys with losses.

If you point out that Fedor isn't a freestyle wrestler, he will say that Fedor grew up in the Soviet Bloc and is an elite freestyle wrestler, then say only Worlds and Olympic champs are elite.


Basically, he gets caught saying really stupid shit, then backtracks or pulls the "trick question" card all while spamming hashtags that make #nosense, not realizing that this isn't Twitter and hashtags do nothing but make him look like a #raving #lunatic #oldman #with #cte.

 

[-guerilla-]

I'm not going to read through 49 pages so I'll ask here. If wrestling is not the best base then what is? Thank you

MMA itself

As in pankratIon and shooto

We didn't invent MMA in 1993

We rediscovered it

 

[-guerilla-]

I tried to tell him I went to a 'pure MMA' gym that i found even 10 years ago, but he didn't listen. it wasn't hard to find at all, and only 10 ish minute drive away.

No link
No evidence
100% BS

 

[-guerilla-]

also Stipe, Cormier, Jones

Stipe and JJ were not elite wrestlers

Not even good enough to medal in the pan American games

DC (a far better and more acomplished wrestler) was beaten by both with strikes

#werstling not the best base for MMA

 

[MrKontakos]

Why do you have multiple threads on this exact same topic across multiple subforums?

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

MMA itself

As in pankratIon and shooto

We didn't invent MMA in 1993

We rediscovered it

So name the MMA purists who are dominating MMA, dude. I've asked you this several times.

If MMA is the best base, then why isn't Rory better than he is? Where are all these Pankration guys dominating the UFC?