best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat in Future UFC/MMA WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

[skobydog]

Ok.....

MMA itself

As in pankratIon and shooto

We didn't invent MMA in 1993

We rediscovered it

Ok....so what's the second best base? Third, fourth? Wrestling has to be in the top five I would think? Or not?

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Ok.....


Ok....so what's the second best base? Third, fourth? Wrestling has to be in the top five I would think? Or not?

He says MMA is the best base, then says this:

You will be waiting forever because we don't have pure MMA gyms yet

If we don't have pure MMA gyms how could someone be trained in that style exclusively??

He can't name anyone doing well in MMA that proves mma-- and not specialization in a single base with cross training-- yet MMA is the best base for MMA, even though there are no MMA-only gyms and no successful MMA-only fighters.

Dude is full of shit.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Why do you have multiple threads on this exact same topic across multiple subforums?

Even better he sources his other shit threads as 'proof'.

I understand your confusion

There should be more gsp's out there
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

 

[-guerilla-]

It depends.
Guerilla will say it's Freestyle if you say it's folk. He will say MMA is the best base if you say it's wrestling. If you tell him there are no MMA purists currently excelling in MMA, he will say the question is a trick question and he's just psychologically manipulating Sherdog.

If you ask for strikers with freestyle takedowns, he will say Israel Adesanya (zero career takedowns). If you want a list of Soviet Bloc Freestyle wrestlers who are taking over MMA, he will say the Emelianenko brothers, Sergei K., and a bunch of no name MMA guys with losses.

If you point out that Fedor isn't a freestyle wrestler, he will say that Fedor grew up in the Soviet Bloc and is an elite freestyle wrestler, then say only Worlds and Olympic champs are elite.


Basically, he gets caught saying really stupid shit, then backtracks or pulls the "trick question" card all while spamming hashtags that make #nosense, not realizing that this isn't Twitter and hashtags do nothing but make him look like a #raving #lunatic #oldman #with #cte.

Some are more entertaining than others

# bump my thread

LOL

But seriously i like to destroy fallacies and "conventional" wisdom and why not do it in a way thats entertaining

(For me)

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Some are more entertaining than others

# bump my thread

LOL

But seriously i like to destroy fallacies and "conventional" wisdom and why not do it in a way thats entertaining

(For me)

But you've done none of those things, mate. You look stupid.

But go ahead, tell us how Izzy is a freestyle wrestler with his 0 career takedowns.

 

[-guerilla-]

Ok.....


Ok....so what's the second best base? Third, fourth? Wrestling has to be in the top five I would think? Or not?

IMO wrestling is a excellent base for MMA...top 3 combat sports for certain

I would say its:
#1 freestyle wrestling [certainly not the american schoolboi version folkstyle]
#2 REAL muay thai [certainlly not american mt]
#3 GIless Sambo/BJJ or catch as catch can [certainlly not the sport versions and certainlly no GI]

HOWEVER ITS ACTUALLY A TRICK QUESTION as MMA exists as a martial art so in FACT shooto and pankration are the best base for MMA because they actually ARE MMA

 

[-guerilla-]

So name the MMA purists who are dominating MMA, dude. I've asked you this several times.

If MMA is the best base, then why isn't Rory better than he is? Where are all these Pankration guys dominating the UFC?

He says MMA is the best base, then says this:


He can't name anyone doing well in MMA that proves mma-- and not specialization in a single base with cross training-- yet MMA is the best base for MMA, even though there are no MMA-only gyms and no successful MMA-only fighters.

Dude is full of shit.

Even better he sources his other shit threads as 'proof'.

But you've done none of those things, mate. You look stupid.

But go ahead, tell us how Izzy is a freestyle wrestler with his 0 career takedowns.

#ranting and raving
#thinks adysanya trains with folkstyle wrestlers
#doesn't know khabib is a freestyle wrestler
#dont know wrestling

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

#ranting and raving
#thinks adysanya trains with folkstyle wrestlers
#doesn't know khabib is a freestyle wrestler
#dont know wrestling

I didn't say Izzy is a folkstyle wrestler, dumbass.

He's. Not. A. Wrestler. In. Any. Way.

Again, Khabib relies heavily on his other grappling because Freestyle is so limited on the ground.

Slowly, and big, because you're not getting it: KHABIB IS A COMPLETE GRAPPLER.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

IMO wrestling is a excellent base for MMA...top 3 combat sports for certain

I would say its:
#1 freestyle wrestling [certainly not the american schoolboi version folkstyle]
#2 REAL muay thai [certainlly not american mt]
#3 GIless Sambo/BJJ or catch as catch can [certainlly not the sport versions and certainlly no GI]

HOWEVER ITS ACTUALLY A TRICK QUESTION as MMA exists as a martial art so in FACT shooto and pankration are the best base for MMA because they actually ARE MMA

What a joke. I'm done, dude. Your arguments are painfully retarded.

 

[SuperNerd]

Almost 1k.

You can doo ettt

 

[sb413197]

Okay, so the best wrestlers don't come to MMA even though it pays.

Looking at some of the recent moves by Dana, that may not be true anymore, outside of a few extreme top-earners. Burroughs probably does better outside of MMA than he would in MMA, unless he somehow became a GSP/Conor level star.

 

[Erratic]

No link
No evidence
100% BS

Theres no need to link it, its just a regular gym from 10 years ago, I cant even recall the name if i tried, nothing to ever boast about. I can assure you it was advertised as an 'MMA gym' and in the classes they were throwing 1-2s and rolling, and wrestling and kicking, all in the space of an hour lol

 

[Erratic]

Yeah I read your thread where you were begging hardcore for them

"Please bae, for the sherbros!"

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...e-jones-gets-faceplant-kod-by-santos.3981359/

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...e-holding-up-the-flag-that-yells-wow.3920689/

# beggs for cartoons

LOL Jesus christ dude, you pulled up a post I made 7 months ago asking for a GIF while i was watching the event live or something very funny that happened. I'm telling you it was an instant Sherdog classic gif. I had absolutely no idea what you were talking about, and you had to pull something out from 7 months ago to prove im BEGGING for gifs hahaha. I cant remember a meaningless post from 7 months ago man. You must have been heavily digging through all my profile

The Cartoon King is at it again

 

[-guerilla-]

lets quiet things down a bit with some actual thought...

Just because athletes like Adesanya and Filipović dont have a wrestling pedigree or a competition record in wrestling does in no way "disqualify" them as "freestyle" wrestlers

People who are martial arts "consumers" are often tricked into believing that a "pedigree" is REQUIRED in order to be a "legitimate" representation of any style

One of my favorite Judo instructors HATED competition and HATED the IJF, he would have NOTHING to do with them...he trained hard several days a week and literally dedicated his life to the martial art of judo yet shunned the sport aspect he found so "destructive" to the "art...I also trained with a Ninjitsu practitioner who would not say the word ninja under any circumstance and would exclusively refer to his style as Taijitsu...my MMA gym thought he and his students were characters as they showed up in full ninjitsu gear and took their traditional martial art very seriously, they got little respect until the "Ninja guys" had amassed an impressive amateur MMA record and their head instructor had gone undefeated in MMA competition

Both the "ninja" guys and that Judo instructor were 100% legit martial artists and fighters, absolutely real representations of their styles...they just had to "prove" it to the layman and skeptics in order to be considered "legitimate" [human nature]

remember Alexander Karelin and a young kid that has had his first day of greco mat time are both LEGITIMATE greco roman wrestlers

 

[-guerilla-]

LOL Jesus christ dude, you pulled up a post I made 7 months ago asking for a GIF while i was watching the event live or something very funny that happened. I'm telling you it was an instant Sherdog classic gif. I had absolutely no idea what you were talking about, and you had to pull something out from 7 months ago to prove im BEGGING for gifs hahaha. I cant remember a meaningless post from 7 months ago man. You must have been heavily digging through all my profile

The Cartoon King is at it again

"i want that gif"...PLEASE GIMMY DAT GIF

#BEGGS FOR GIFS

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Well of course mma and shooto are the best base

Thats like saying training football is the best for doing football

You make some good points on the strip mall aspects of martial arts being taught cause there is no money whatsoever training a bunch of aspiring fighters just mma, you HAVE to a la cart the classes to accommodate regular people and keep your bills paid.

Oh and the Kentucky mma scene was never any good. Iowa, Missouri, and even Kansas had better fighters/shows/training gyms.

 

[Erratic]

"i want that gif"...PLEASE GIMMY DAT GIF
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#BEGGS FOR GIFS

Here are some GIFs for you, since you love them so much, each one describes my response to you!




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[-guerilla-]

Well of course mma and shooto are the best base
Thats like saying training football is the best for doing football
You make some good points on the strip mall aspects of martial arts being taught cause there is no money whatsoever training a bunch of aspiring fighters just mma, you HAVE to a la cart the classes to accommodate regular people and keep your bills paid.
Oh and the Kentucky mma scene was never any good. Iowa, Missouri, and even Kansas had better fighters/shows/training gyms.

Yeah...kentucky sucks for everything but football and basketball but we were in Louisville KY right on the border of Indiana Illinois and Ohio...5hrs from Canada so the vast majority of our MMA and wrestling competition came from those wrestling Powerhouse States

I myself am a record-breaking wrestling coach with more than two decades of experience

Of course MMA as a martial art is the best thing for MMA the sport
It's just amazing how many people still believe that American High School scholastic wrestling is the best base for MMA because that's where they see all their MMA Heroes coming from

If you look at European and Asian MMA you will see that wrestlers don't dominate those tournaments even though wrestling is popular and their wrestlers routinely beat ours in international competition

Japan for instance per capita has a far better wrestling background than the United States yet in their MMA fighters are not all wrestlers
You see Japan has a wide variety of martial arts available at low to no-cost to the public and that allows their athletes to be far better Cross trained

The fact is in the United States our only publicly-funded combat sport is high school/college wrestling

Throughout the rest of the world they will allow you to participate in martial arts training at low to no-cost in public facilities
In fact many countries invest heavily in public Sports infrastructure because they know it reduces crime, creates jobs and is a critical factor in national pride and morale

Shooto and pankration are treated like martial arts not like publicly-funded Combat Sports so even though they are wildly more complete for mma (because they Are MMA in fact) they dont dominate

shooto and pankration participants don't come from the same hard core demographic that public school system wrestlers do
Thats the real reason that folk style wrestling has such a disproportionate representation in American MMA considering its validity as a martial art

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

 

[Fuzzybabyducks]

MMA is the best base for ufc

 

[rmongler]

Growing up in the Soviet Bloc doesn't make you a freestyle wrestler.

Where did he wrestle, when did he compete, and what was his freestyle wrestling record?

And again, if these guys are taking over you should be able to name more than one guy whose prime was 15 years ago.

So far, you've said CroCop (wrong), Zabit (wrong, he wrestled for 2 years then switched to sanda) Khabib (partly correct), and Israel Adesanya (so wrong you should hang your fat dumb head in shame over your stupidity).

Name me a top 3 and 3 top 10 guys in each division from 145 to 185 that are good strikers with freestyle takedowns.

You completely ignore any post that calls you out, then go on stupid rants about shit that doesn't matter. You're a big fucking baby in a geriatric fat body, mate.

'Israel Adesanya is a freestyle wrestler' is not a statement that is coming from rational logic, but from emotional logic.

In his mind, 'freestyle wrestling' is associated with 'good'; Adesanya recently won a middleweight championship, so he likely figures prominently in the consciousness of the semi-conscious lemming crowd as of this current moment; if he is prompted to 'think of a good mma fighter', that's likely something that will be thought of first.

So, if 'freestyle wresting is good', and 'Israel Adesanya is good', then those two thoughts meet somewhere inside his head and produce 'Israel Adesanya is a freestyle wrestler'.

QED