best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat in Future UFC/MMA WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

[Fluffernutter]

Best wrestlers in the world are going to be making money in wrestling.

 

[-guerilla-]

You said shooto and pankration practioners were the best. Let me know when these guys start beating wrestlers on a regular basis.

if shooto and pankration were offered alongside schoolboy wrestling in the public school system do you think the wrestlers would beat the shooto and pankration athletes in MMA???

perhaps you should study this thread that explains why wrestlers are so over represented in american mma and NO WHERE ELSE IN THE MMA WORLD [LIKE JAPAN AND RUSSIA] who btw have better wrestlers to boot!!

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

 

[-guerilla-]

Best wrestlers in the world are going to be making money in wrestling.

an excellent point...

the best wrestlers in the world have very little motivation to move into MMA

Cejudo is the only elite wrestler holding a UFC belt today and he has been involved in boxing and wrestling since childhood...thats a true MMA athlete not a one dimensional sport grappler

 

[skobydog]

if shooto and pankration were offered alongside schoolboy wrestling in the public school system do you think the wrestlers would beat the shooto and pankration athletes in MMA???

perhaps you should study this thread that explains why wrestlers are so over represented in american mma and NO WHERE ELSE IN THE MMA WORLD [LIKE JAPAN AND RUSSIA] who btw have better wrestlers to boot!!

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

Let me know when the fighters you are talking about start dominating the top 5 of each weight class.

 

[dickcheney]

ok, makes sense

a desperate languishing sport like wrestling is quite often so hard up for coaches that they do quite often have motivated dads and guys that teach out of a book with no wrestling experience
[like my highschool wrestling coach]
"filling the gap"

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/american-scolastic-folkstyle-wrestling-a-dying-sport.3964681/

you have been schooled, shut down and owned hardcore in my threads and are simply in denial over my confirmed and validated coaching record

bro, you look stupid trying to move your goal posts over and over each time you discover I am exactly who i say i am...no more no less

so if you actually are an actual wrestler answer this...

How come Askern couldn't use his folkstyle skills to hold the BJJ artist Maia down??

Do you understand that folkstyle is a safespace schoolboi version of freestyle and has WAY LESS takedowns throws and slams??

You didn’t say anything lol “schooled”

Its like you stopped reading and just trying to get the last comment in

 

[-guerilla-]

You didn’t say anything lol “schooled”

Its like you stopped reading and just trying to get the last comment in

you got SCHOOLED HARDCORE and now you know I am 100% legit

you were just too damn stupid to actually READ THE THREAD and believed I was claiming wrestling "greatness"

LOL @ "FRAUD"

your 1/2 ass discount part time freestyle experience means you dont know a suplex from a suplay from a souffle

now say something about the THREAD or PM me for more of my personal details

# Anonymous wrestling "expert"

 

[-guerilla-]

Let me know when the fighters you are talking about start dominating the top 5 of each weight class.

# duck
# dodge
# squirm

if shooto and pankration were offered alongside schoolboy wrestling in the public school system do you think the wrestlers would beat the shooto and pankration athletes in MMA???

 

[dickcheney]

you got SCHOOLED HARDCORE and now you know I am 100% legit

you were just too damn stupid to actually READ THE THREAD and believed I was claiming wrestling "greatness"

LOL @ "FRAUD"

your 1/2 ass discount part time freestyle experience means you dont know a suplex from a suplay from a souffle

now say something about the THREAD or PM me for more of my personal details

# Anonymous wrestling "expert"

I’ve shit you down over and over in here, you can go read those. Then you resorted to nonsense. And now you are essentially pulling “i know you are but what am I?” Level posting

again, I feel sorry for the children of Kentucky , you take one or two outlying points and think they are fact and are willfully ignorant to everything else

queue up your “schooled shutdown i need the last word” retorts

 

[-guerilla-]

I’ve shit you down over and over in here, you can go read those. Then you resorted to nonsense. And now you are essentially pulling “i know you are but what am I?” Level posting

again, I feel sorry for the children of Kentucky , you take one or two outlying points and think they are fact and are willfully ignorant to everything else

queue up your “schooled shutdown i need the last word” retorts

# dont know a suplex from a suplay from a souffle
# dont know dick about wrestling
# WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

 

[dickcheney]

# dont know a suplex from a suplay from a souffle
# dont know dick about wrestling
# WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

Right on cue with the non substance post. You’re so predictable and easily manipulated it’s not even funny anymore

Remember when you didn’t know what a fireman’s Carry was called and thought it was some dangerous freestyle move? Haha

 

[-guerilla-]

Right on cue with the non substance post. You’re so predictable and easily manipulated it’s not even funny anymore

Remember when you didn’t know what a fireman’s Carry was called and thought it was some dangerous freestyle move? Haha

nope...haha

[notice no direct quote]

if you lift a guy from firemans and slam him on his face in freestyle its legal

in schoolboy folkstyle its an illegal slam

# dont know dick

here get ur learn on schoolboi wrestler

#school bell rings

schoolboi wrestling


FREESTYLE wrestling


# school bell rings

thats why freestyle is better for MMA schoolboi

 

[dickcheney]

nope...haha

[notice no direct quote]

if you lift a guy from firemans and slam him on his face in freestyle its legal

in schoolboy folkstyle its an illegal slam

# dont know dick

here get ur learn on schoolboi wrestler

#school bell rings

schoolboi wrestling


FREESTYLE wrestling


# school bell rings

thats why freestyle is better for MMA schoolboi

haha there’s the video , not one person kod but you think they are devastating takedowns, half of them as performed are legal in folkstyle, most end with both guys looking at the ref to see how many points, others end with the bottom guy starfishing waiting for a standup

but if there’s one thing your video shows it’s that the norm is these takedowns do no damage

 

[-guerilla-]

haha there’s the video , not one person kod but you think they are devastating takedowns, half of them as performed are legal in folkstyle, most end with both guys looking at the ref to see how many points, others end with the bottom guy starfishing waiting for a standup

but if there’s one thing your video shows it’s that the norm is these takedowns do no damage

Elite wrestlers can twist out of the slam

AND

its illegal to "intend" to injure your opponent in freestyle

Not surprised you dont know that

# dont know dick

all you have to do is slightly modify the drop and turn it into a true slam

in wrestling you're trying to turn your opponents back to the mat and that changes how you drop them

How can you not know that?

What kind of wrestling are you doing?

# thinks fake wrestling is real?
# atomic drop?
# Alabama backyard?

Told you all this b4

# thinks slams dont work in MMA

Folkstyle Wrestling is not the ultimate martial art

Just because the guys on your tv have some folkstyle experience does not confirm schoolboy folkstyle wrestling as the ultimate base for MMA

Wrestling is a good base for MMA...not the best base for MMA

And

Freestyle is the best type of wrestling BECAUSE its has more takedowns slams and throws than NERFED schoolboy folkstyle

 

[dickcheney]

Elite wrestlers can twist out of the slam

AND

its illegal to "intend" to injure your opponent in freestyle

Not surprised you dont know that

# dont know dick

all you have to do is slightly modify the drop and turn it into a true slam

in wrestling you're trying to turn your opponents back to the mat and that changes how you drop them

How can you not know that?

What kind of wrestling are you doing?

# thinks fake wrestling is real?
# atomic drop?
# Alabama backyard?

Told you all this b4

# thinks slams dont work in MMA

Folkstyle Wrestling is not the ultimate martial art

Just because the guys on your tv have some folkstyle experience does not confirm schoolboy folkstyle wrestling as the ultimate base for MMA

Wrestling is a good base for MMA...not the best base for MMA

And

Freestyle is the best type of wrestling BECAUSE its has more takedowns slams and throws than NERFED schoolboy folkstyle

haha you post videos and don’t understand their content and don’t even know they hurt your poorly formed opinions that you think are fact

seriously ask a friend before you post , it will help you

fire up another last word post with either no or negative substance, lol let’s go!

 

[kingjim]

FLY and BW - Cejudo (wrestling)
FW - Holloway (kickboxing)
LW - Khabib (sambo/wrestling)
WW - Usman/Colby (wrestling)
MW - Stylebender (kickboxing)
LHW - Jon Jones (wrestling)
HW - Stipe (wrestling)

Contenders
FW - Benavidez (wrestling/boxing)
BW - Sterling (wrestling)
LW - T Ferg (wrestling)
WW - Colby , Woodley (wrestling)
MW - Costa (jj and kboxing)
LHW - no clear cut contenders
HW - DC (wrestling)

Looking at this wrestling is the best base by a lomg way and in future contenders as well. Its gonna take a generational change before we start seeing a mma base from a young age.

 

[-guerilla-]

FLY and BW - Cejudo (wrestling)
FW - Holloway (kickboxing)
LW - Khabib (sambo/wrestling)
WW - Usman/Colby (wrestling)
MW - Stylebender (kickboxing)
LHW - Jon Jones (wrestling)
HW - Stipe (wrestling)

Contenders
FW - Benavidez (wrestling/boxing)
BW - Sterling (wrestling)
LW - T Ferg (wrestling)
WW - Colby , Woodley (wrestling)
MW - Costa (jj and kboxing)
LHW - no clear cut contenders
HW - DC (wrestling)

Looking at this wrestling is the best base by a lomg way and in future contenders as well. Its gonna take a generational change before we start seeing a mma base from a young age.

JJ and Stipe are wrestlers?

Why dont they use wrestling instead of striking to win their big fights?

They Both beat the BETTER WRESTLER (DC) WITH STRIKES

hmmmm

But i thought wrestling was the best base??

If that was true DC (the WILDLY more acomplished wrestler) would use WRESTLING to beat them!!!

How come only one man who holds a ufc belt is good enough at wrestling to have any medals in the sport (cejudo)?

If wrestling was the best base for mma the best wrestlers would be winning the big money fights in MMA

They dont...

You catch askerns last fight??

 

[-guerilla-]

haha you post videos and don’t understand their content and don’t even know they hurt your poorly formed opinions that you think are fact

seriously ask a friend before you post , it will help you

fire up another last word post with either no or negative substance, lol let’s go!

# CRUSHED
# avoid topic
# backyard Alabama
# bump my thread

*last word

# thinks slams and takedowns are not important in MMA

# dont know dick

Folkstyle is freestyle's nerfed little brother

# bump my thread

 

[dickcheney]

# CRUSHED
# avoid topic
# backyard Alabama
# bump my thread

*last word

# thinks slams and takedowns are not important in MMA

# dont know dick

Folkstyle is freestyle's nerfed little brother

# bump my thread

Lol now you’re sending me private messages?

sorry, not gonna read it since you’ve shown you don’t understand your own video evidence

you can stay out of my DMs

 

[kingjim]

JJ and Stipe are wrestlers?

Why dont they use wrestling instead of striking to win their big fights?

They Both beat the BETTER WRESTLER (DC) WITH STRIKES

hmmmm

But i thought wrestling was the best base??

If that was true DC (the WILDLY more acomplished wrestler) would use WRESTLING to beat them!!!

How come only one man who holds a ufc belt is good enough at wrestling to have any medals in the sport (cejudo)?

If wrestling was the best base for mma the best wrestlers would be winning the big money fights in MMA

They dont...

You catch askerns last fight??

Ok ill break it down for you because I am not sure if you watch many fights.
Jon Jones wins fights because his wrestling advantage is used to gain advantage in the striking. Due to the threat of a takedown.
go watch the ngannou vs stipe fight
Jj has a wrestling base as does Stipe ... its pretty simple to comprehend.
Furthermore in the Askren example it’s called mma having a wrestling base purely isn’t enough in this day and age if you’re not aware of this and by the sounds of it you are not ...

 

[-guerilla-]

Ok ill break it down for you because I am not sure if you watch many fights.
Jon Jones wins fights because his wrestling advantage is used to gain advantage in the striking. Due to the threat of a takedown.
go watch the ngannou vs stipe fight
Jj has a wrestling base as does Stipe ... its pretty simple to comprehend.
Furthermore in the Askren example it’s called mma having a wrestling base purely isn’t enough in this day and age if you’re not aware of this and by the sounds of it you are not ...

So what ur saying is that the best wrestlers are gonna get beat in future MMA because all they do is wrestling and guys like JJ use wrestling to win with striking

Whos the best wrestler in UFC?

How would jj and stipe do in the biggest wrestling tournaments like the olympics??