Law After Win, Trump Fans Admit “Project 2025 Is the Agenda”

[freakroor]

I guessed your political affiliation with one syllable.

It's like Name That Tune.

i hate all politicans equally

 

[PBAC]

so is it still not happening?

 

[AWilder]

They couldn't even build a wall that stayed up his first go around. Not too worried.

This time around there isn't any building planned. This is an all out attack on the constitution.

 

[AWilder]

You believing Matt Walsh (a conservative comedian with no ties to Trump's cabinet or campaign) trolling you with satirical bait is evidence that this is the official agenda of the Trump administration is why the only thing you've owned is your own credibility.

Speaking of self owns....

 

[Fronk]

so is it still not happening?

It's happening right now?

 

[ChosenOne]

Speaking of self owns....

@Madmick is the template sherdog poster which means he will triple down and never admit wrong.

This...

...despite his claim that '... there is zero evidence Trump was ever considering Project 2025 for his agenda,...' and trying to say we were 'suffering TDS and attributing the words of Matt Walsh and others to him'....

...despite me quoting Trumps own words absolutely owning it, prior to Trump seeing there was some public backlash pre election and then switching to deny it...

...despite me quoting the prime architect of Project 2025 not only acknowledging this would be the Trump agenda but bragging about it.

But here is what i can say with 100% assurance to the above. MadMick's reply will be to try and pretend he was referring to something else and to attack us posting facts.

 

[AWilder]

@Madmick is the template sherdog poster which means he will triple down and never admit wrong.

This...

...despite his claim that '... there is zero evidence Trump was ever considering Project 2025 for his agenda,...' and trying to say we were 'suffering TDS and attributing the words of Matt Walsh and others to him'....

...despite me quoting Trumps own words absolutely owning it, prior to Trump seeing there was some public backlash pre election and then switching to deny it...

...despite me quoting the prime architect of Project 2025 not only acknowledging this would be the Trump agenda but bragging about it.

But here is what i can say with 100% assurance to the above. MadMick's reply will be to try and pretend he was referring to something else and to attack us posting facts.

oh i know midmick well, he's the epitome of #confidently wrong.

 

[Fanu]

Democrats are so gullible and easy to troll. They have the emotional and mental maturity of a toddler.

"emotional maturity"

fucking dweebs

 

[Madmick]

Speaking of self owns....

@Madmick is the template sherdog poster which means he will triple down and never admit wrong.

This...

...despite his claim that '... there is zero evidence Trump was ever considering Project 2025 for his agenda,...' and trying to say we were 'suffering TDS and attributing the words of Matt Walsh and others to him'....

...despite me quoting Trumps own words absolutely owning it, prior to Trump seeing there was some public backlash pre election and then switching to deny it...

...despite me quoting the prime architect of Project 2025 not only acknowledging this would be the Trump agenda but bragging about it.

But here is what i can say with 100% assurance to the above. MadMick's reply will be to try and pretend he was referring to something else and to attack us posting facts.

oh i know midmick well, he's the epitome of #confidently wrong.

Uh, because I wasn't. You guys continue to be wrong.

Trump had an official party platform. His Presidential actions are (total shocker) in accordance with that platform. Commonality with Project 2025, or any other conservative group's agendas, are certain to incidentally exist.

1. SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
3. END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
4. MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
5. STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
6. LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
7. DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
8. PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
9. END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
10. STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
11. REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
12. STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
13. KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY
14. FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
15. CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
16. CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN
17. KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS
18. DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
19. SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
20. UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS

He also promised:

A look back at Trump's bigger campaign promises

Spectrum News will be tracking his progress.

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• Immigration and the border​

  • Close the border and carry out the “largest mass deportation program in history.”
  • End birthright citizenship, the policy that automatically grants citizenship to any person born in the U.S., regardless of his or her parents’ legal status.
  • Restore the travel ban from his first term that barred people from five Muslim-majority countries as well as North Korea and Venezuela and expand it to include refugees from the Gaza Strip.
    

• Foreign policy​

  • Negotiate an end to the nearly three-year war between Russia and Ukraine within 24 hours of taking office, or even before he reenters the White House.
    

• Economy and trade​

  • Bring down prices and “end” inflation.
  • Extend provisions in his signature 2017 tax cuts bill, many of which are set to expire at the end of the year.
  • End taxes on income workers make from tips, overtime pay and Social Security benefits.
  • Impose tariffs on imports from foreign countries, including a 25% tariff on products coming from Canada and Mexico and an even higher rate for Chinese goods.
    

• Energy​

  • Expand oil drilling in the U.S. and make America “energy dominant.”
  • Reverse Biden’s order setting a nationwide goal of 50% of all new cars and trucks sold being zero-emission by 2030.
    

• Federal government​

  • Reduce regulations
  • Eliminate the Education Department
  • End federal spending on diversity, equity and inclusion, known as DEI, initiatives.
  • End protections for federal workers
    

• Other​

  • Pardon at least some of the people charged with crimes for their participation in the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
  • Ban transgender women from competing in women’s sports.
  • End federal funding to any hospital or health-care provider that performs gender-transition surgeries.
  • Ban gender-transition care for minors in “all 50 states.”
  • Leave abortion to the states and veto a national abortion ban should Congress pass one.
  • Repeal the Affordable Care Act and replace it with a better alternative.

The most detailed outline of his platform was actually Agenda47 which he unveiled back in 2023. The bullet points:

Agenda47: Using Impoundment to Cut Waste, Stop Inflation, and Crush the Deep State​

PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL RESTORE THE IMPOUNDMENT POWER OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH:

- President Trump will restore the Impoundment Power, reestablishing the balance of power between the Legislative and the Executive branches.

- On Day One, President Trump will direct federal agencies to identify portions of their budgets where massive savings are possible through the Impoundment Power, while maintaining the same level of funding for defense, Social Security, and Medicare.

- President Trump will take action to challenge the constitutionality of limits placed on the Impoundment Power by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (CBA), the source of Congress’s usurpation of Executive Branch powers.

- President Trump will also work with Congress to overturn the limits of the CBA.

- In passing the CBA, Congress handcuffed the president from preventing wasteful spending.

- The CBA dramatically limited impoundment, the power of the president to choose not to unnecessarily spend taxpayer dollars, forcing the executive branch to spend every penny of congressionally appropriated funds.

- Under current law, the president can request rescissions of funds, but those requests must be approved by both houses of Congress. The president can only defer the use of funds in limited instances.

- Leading constitutional scholars agree that impoundment is an inherent power of the president.

- Congress has the “power of the purse,” so its appropriations necessarily set a ceiling on federal spending for a particular purpose, but it should not set the floor.

- Article II of the Constitution vests the president with the inherent authority to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” which has historically been understood to mean that the president can impound funds when doing so allows him to enforce the law more effectively and efficiently.

- In defense of the president’s impoundment power against attacks from Congress, Joseph Sneed, Deputy Attorney General under President Richard Nixon, explained that the use of executive impoundment “to promote fiscal stability is not usurpation; rather it is in the great tradition of checks and balances upon which our Constitution is based.”

- Restoring the Impoundment Power will naturally lead the Executive and Legislative Branches to have to work together to negotiate and gain better control of federal spending.

- Although Congress has the power to appropriate funds, inherent within the president’s power to execute the law is a measure of discretion on how funds are spent, because spending decisions often depend on how laws are executed in practice.

- The CBA placed crippling burdens on the use of impoundment authority and on the president’s negotiating leverage with Congress over how taxpayer dollars are spent, leaving Congress with virtually unchecked budget authority.

Important to note is that "Trump’s 'Agenda47' consists of proposals his campaign issued on its website during the primary election season, from December 2022 to December 2023, many of which may require congressional action but some of which could be enacted through executive orders—and are separate to the Project 2025 proposals developed by third-party organizations."

And, as Forbes notes, these more detailed links and promises remain active on his personal website. These include more obscure promises he made like unilateral spending cuts to the World Health Organization and green initiatives (once again promising to end any sort of funding for accords like the Paris Climate agreement as he did in his first term) that aren't in the abbreviated platform he posted closer to the election that I first quoted above:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47

You two are clearly ignorant that Agenda47 even existed.

 

[AWilder]

Uh, because I wasn't. You guys continue to be wrong.

Trump had an official party platform. His Presidential actions are (total shocker) in accordance with that platform. Commonality with Project 2025, or any other conservative group's agendas, are certain to incidentally exist.


He also promised:

A look back at Trump's bigger campaign promises

Spectrum News will be tracking his progress.

ny1.com

The most detailed outline of his platform was actually Agenda47 which he unveiled back in 2023. The bullet points:

Agenda47: Using Impoundment to Cut Waste, Stop Inflation, and Crush the Deep State​

Important to note is that "Trump’s 'Agenda47' consists of proposals his campaign issued on its website during the primary election season, from December 2022 to December 2023, many of which may require congressional action but some of which could be enacted through executive orders—and are separate to the Project 2025 proposals developed by third-party organizations."

And, as Forbes notes, these more detailed links and promises remain active on his personal website. These include more obscure promises he made like unilateral spending cuts to the World Health Organization and green initiatives (once again promising to end any sort of funding for accords like the Paris Climate agreement as he did in his first term) that aren't in the abbreviated platform he posted closer to the election that I first quoted above:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47

You two are clearly ignorant that Agenda47 even existed.

buddy im not reading this pathetic tome. He just appointed a bunch of the 2025 guys to positions in the admin, but yeah dummy, he's totally not a proj 2025 guy.

After Trump's Project 2025 denials, he is tapping its authors and influencers for key roles

During the campaign, President-elect Donald Trump denied knowing anything about the “ridiculous and abysmal” plans, even though some were written by his former aides and many allies.

apnews.com

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

What specifically about project 2025 is problematic to you?

I did a quick google search because I've never heard of this project before (but am hearing about it everyday now) and I'm asking the same question.

I might be missing something, but it all seems reasonable to me.

 

[Madmick]

buddy im not reading this pathetic tome. He just appointed a bunch of the 2025 guys to positions in the admin, but yeah dummy, he's totally not a proj 2025 guy.

After Trump's Project 2025 denials, he is tapping its authors and influencers for key roles

During the campaign, President-elect Donald Trump denied knowing anything about the “ridiculous and abysmal” plans, even though some were written by his former aides and many allies.

apnews.com

As we already went over prior to the election, he had at least 66 Heritage Foundation alumni in his previous administration, too.

Herpaderp.

 

[Rational Poster]

As we already went over prior to the election, he had at least 66 Heritage Foundation alumni in his previous administration, too.

Herpaderp.

Yeah and at the end of his previous administration they tried to coordinate a coup. lmao

 

[Madmick]

Hey, guys, Trump appointed a former Heritage Foundation worker to be Director of the OPM. That means he did...exactly what George W. Bush did when he was President!

The conspiracies! The dark omens! The end is nigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MeatheadMike]

I did a quick google search because I've never heard of this project before (but am hearing about it everyday now) and I'm asking the same question.

I might be missing something, but it all seems reasonable to me.

For one thing, it is based around removing checks from the executive branch. It also calls for removing merit based workers from federal positions with loyalists to the president. Political beliefs aside, don't you think those things would be concerning?

If your guy is in charge now, maybe you don't care, but what about if their guy is in charge later?

 

[Madmick]

For one thing, it is based around removing checks from the executive branch. It also calls for removing merit based workers from federal positions with loyalists to the president. Political beliefs aside, don't you think those things would be concerning?

If your guy is in charge now, maybe you don't care, but what about if their guy is in charge later?

The validity of the concern you've articulated aside, both of these policy ambitions were part of Agenda47, his official platform, and his campaign promises separate from Project 2025.

What I'm failing to see from the "Project 2025 OMG!" chicken littles in here is a specific outlay showing the differences between Project 2025 and Trump's own platform/promises. What was in the former that wasn't in the latter? Even better, what is in the former that is at odds with-- even mutually exclusive to-- the latter? And which of these policies that were only part of Project 2025 have already been passed by Trump with Presidential actions?

Detail them.
@AWilder
@ChosenOne

 

[filthybliss]

The validity of the concern you've articulated aside, both of these policy ambitions were part of Agenda47, his official platform, and his campaign promises separate from Project 2025.

What I'm failing to see from the "Project 2025 OMG!" chicken littles in here is a specific outlay showing the differences between Project 2025 and Trump's own platform/promises. What was in the former that wasn't in the latter? Even better, what is in the former that is at odds with-- even mutually exclusive to-- the latter? And which of these policies that were only part of Project 2025 have already been passed by Trump with Presidential actions?

Detail them.
@AWilder
@ChosenOne

Trump is bolstering the executive branch's power and he is erasing our barrier institutions as much as he can. I don't get your "gotcha" here.

You can skim through some of the P2025 policies that Trump has installed here as well.

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/23/trump-executive-orders-list-project-2025-policies

 

[AWilder]

The validity of the concern you've articulated aside, both of these policy ambitions were part of Agenda47, his official platform, and his campaign promises separate from Project 2025.

What I'm failing to see from the "Project 2025 OMG!" chicken littles in here is a specific outlay showing the differences between Project 2025 and Trump's own platform/promises. What was in the former that wasn't in the latter? Even better, what is in the former that is at odds with-- even mutually exclusive to-- the latter? And which of these policies that were only part of Project 2025 have already been passed by Trump with Presidential actions?

Detail them.
@AWilder
@ChosenOne

this is just pathetic man. so much hand wringing because you called it wrong.

 

[Source]

It’s now just a coincidence that Trumps agenda is aligning with project 2025. Is it just a coincidence as well that some of his staff wrote sections of it too?

 

[Madmick]

Trump is bolstering the executive branch power and erasing our barrier institutions as much as he can. I don't get your "gotcha" here.

No, you don't seem to understand the terms of what is in contention, at all.

I'm not in this thread to advocate for or against Trump's policies, or Project 2025's. I came into this thread because I was mocking the Democrats who insisted there was some sort of ulterior shadow inititiave within Trump's campaign. The claim is clear: Trump's platform isn't the real agenda. Project 2025 is the real agenda.

So, if one wishes to prove this, then prove it. This is simple.

What is different between Trump's explicitly avowed agenda, and that contained in Project 2025? What has Trump done so far in office proving the latter is the real agenda, not the former?

this is just pathetic man. so much hand wringing because you called it wrong.

Concession accepted.