why is western culture becoming so shameless? | Page 7

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by tramendous, Mar 18, 2017.

  1. tramendous Black Belt

    tramendous
    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    6,152
    Likes Received:
    4,969
    Location:
    JustBleedistan

    Id say that our laws have more basis in christian west than pre christian. I'd also argue that the pre christian west was religious not secular.
     
    #121
  2. Rod1 Titanium Belt

    Rod1
    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2010
    Messages:
    35,633
    Likes Received:
    16,870
    Location:
    Sonora, Mexico.
    1.- I disagree, even christian legalists were heavily influenced by roman law tradition and less by middle-eastern legal tradition.

    2.- So? not all religious are prude, ever heard of Bacchanalia?
     
    #122
    Kafir-kun likes this.
  3. tramendous Black Belt

    tramendous
    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    6,152
    Likes Received:
    4,969
    Location:
    JustBleedistan
    And they ended up being right over time. Ibn khaldun noted that rich and prosperous societies always succumb to corruption and weakness and then are taken over by a more disciplined and hard people (i.e. barbarians/nomads) who then over generations turn into the same thing and get overthrown. Now in his time he was mostly talking about the ruling class i.e. kings/nobles but i think over time, this effects the common person more and more.

    I don't think the modern philosophy of people is anchored in anything. By their own logic, if society decides to degenerate they will simply go along with it. lest any criticism of it results in them being labelled the new 'old people'
     
    #123
    Kafir-kun likes this.
  4. tramendous Black Belt

    tramendous
    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    6,152
    Likes Received:
    4,969
    Location:
    JustBleedistan
    Of course christian law had some basis in roman law but that doesnt change the fact that modern western law is more rooted in christian law than roman.

    The problem is that the west is continously sabotaging its own moral basis. They'll be fucking their own sisters soon and only complain when a condom isnt used. #Incest rights matter.
     
    #124
  5. Rod1 Titanium Belt

    Rod1
    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2010
    Messages:
    35,633
    Likes Received:
    16,870
    Location:
    Sonora, Mexico.
    1.- False, christianity represented a regression of law as the authority changed from the people into the divine rights of kings.

    2.- Westermarck effect.
     
    #125
    Kafir-kun likes this.
  6. tramendous Black Belt

    tramendous
    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    6,152
    Likes Received:
    4,969
    Location:
    JustBleedistan
    As oppose to it residing with some emperor demanding to be worshipped as a god himself? The regression of law was due to barbarians inheriting a system they didn't know how to maintain ir run by force of arms.

    And since when has the westermarck effect completely eliminated incest? We wouldn't need laws to stop it. What about relatives who have not lived together?
     
    #126
  7. Rod1 Titanium Belt

    Rod1
    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2010
    Messages:
    35,633
    Likes Received:
    16,870
    Location:
    Sonora, Mexico.
    1.- The emperor never demanded to be worshipped as a god.

    2.- Westermack effect does stops incest for being such a big problem in the first place, thats why the most inbred populations in the world coincidentally tend to be some of the most religious.
     
    #127
  8. tramendous Black Belt

    tramendous
    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    6,152
    Likes Received:
    4,969
    Location:
    JustBleedistan
    The westermack effect works most of the time just as how most of the time people arent born gay. Its a genetic advantage. That doesn't stop people though as people felt it was necessary to pass laws to outlaw it.

    Caligula
     
    #128
  9. Rod1 Titanium Belt

    Rod1
    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2010
    Messages:
    35,633
    Likes Received:
    16,870
    Location:
    Sonora, Mexico.
    The one that ruled for 3 years before being assassinated. He never got his way and became worshipped as god.
     
    #129
  10. tramendous Black Belt

    tramendous
    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    6,152
    Likes Received:
    4,969
    Location:
    JustBleedistan
    Seriously man. The deification and cult worship is basic knowledge here. Youre acting like power went from the people to the kings when it really went from one dude in robes to another.
     
    #130
  11. jgarner Black Belt

    jgarner
    Joined:
    May 12, 2015
    Messages:
    6,658
    Likes Received:
    4,901
    I just don't understand why people are so ashamed of sexuality. It's something that we all do and enjoy and it's completely natural. Women shouldn't be ashamed of their bodies and neither should men. I'm not saying we should be jerking off on each others desks, but there's nothing wrong with consenting adults having fun. If you think that's bad, then you're probably some religious loser and I don't care what you think. You can have fun and be responsible. If more people enjoyed things like sex and partying, maybe we'd have less assholes in this world.

    And of course, old people are always complaining about the younger crowd and how they are just ruining society. That's just you being an old, grumpy bitch. The world is safer and educated than it's ever been in history. You're insane if you think our world is getting worse because it's not. It's getting better. The people who are holding it back are the religious people who think we should keep every pregnancy, not provide condoms to young adults, and think women should be ashamed of their bodies.

    With all the wars, famine and hate in this world, it takes a real lunatic to think that tits and ass are the problem.
     
    #131
    Kafir-kun, ShinkanPo and snakedafunky like this.
  12. Rod1 Titanium Belt

    Rod1
    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2010
    Messages:
    35,633
    Likes Received:
    16,870
    Location:
    Sonora, Mexico.
    Post-mortem deification of emperors didnt changed the fact that classical rome was the place where the modern legal system was created. They had absolute veto power but the judiciary carried the actual judging for the most part, they were also nominally part of the republic.
     
    #132
  13. panamaican Steel Belt

    panamaican
    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2009
    Messages:
    27,132
    Likes Received:
    11,285
    Yeah they were. It just wasn't as accessible to the people who weren't involved.
     
    #133
    Kafir-kun likes this.
  14. panamaican Steel Belt

    panamaican
    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2009
    Messages:
    27,132
    Likes Received:
    11,285
    This is what society has always been. It has not ramped up or tapered down. Man is a hedonist.

    What has changed is the ability of a central authority to corral men towards a single goal. In the past, religion played this role. Whether it was the deification of leaders or a more nebulous god, man's hedonism was often controlled and leveraged my playing towards a single moral authority.

    That has changed and now there are multiple moral authorities with multiple variations on what's acceptable.

    Blame those who abused power and abdicated the moral high ground. Blame those who couched their self-centered desires behind a thin veil of religion. Or defend immoral actions as their birthright or "not their problem".

    Individual man is a hedonist. It is only collective man who wants to impart some form of order on others.
     
    #134
    JohnnySagebrush likes this.
  15. luckyshot Muslims and Christians and Jews, Oh my...

    luckyshot
    Joined:
    May 11, 2016
    Messages:
    3,269
    Likes Received:
    5,329
    Location:
    Location, Location
    TS, the problem you describe is not hedonism, it is lack of introspection and self-awareness.

    If people were a little more intelligent and reflective in their hedonism, they would end up behaving in ways that are, for the most part, pretty conventional.

    Long term depravity doesn't end up leading to a whole lot of pleasure. Ask a meth head.

    "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think."
     
    #135
    tramendous likes this.
  16. greedopl Blue Belt

    greedopl
    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2010
    Messages:
    535
    Likes Received:
    369
    Why didn't you stay in the place of your origin if you don't like western culture?
    Jokes aside,
    you're right, something bad is happening. But it does not mean allahu is the golden way ;)
     
    #136
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2017
  17. greedopl Blue Belt

    greedopl
    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2010
    Messages:
    535
    Likes Received:
    369
    This.
    First time I agree with cap. sweden.
     
    #137
  18. the muntjac Brown Belt

    the muntjac
    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2010
    Messages:
    4,278
    Likes Received:
    1,132
    Location:
    Planet Scumdogia. That's way past Uranus, buddy!
    I've felt the same way about dogs too. They're always wanting my food, a scratch on the back, and to sleep on my bed without actually accomplishing anything. Such animals.
     
    #138
    Kafir-kun likes this.
  19. tramendous Black Belt

    tramendous
    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    6,152
    Likes Received:
    4,969
    Location:
    JustBleedistan
    I didn't really have a choice to stay or leave since i was a toddler but my parents left because of civil war and the country was collapsing. Not because they didn't like their culture. At first they would speak about returning when things settle down and return as they were before the civil war but it became more and more evident that that wasn't going to happen in their life time or perhaps even in that of mine. I on the other hand grew up in Canadian society raised by parents who were moderate and highly educated Afghans.
     
    #139
    Kafir-kun likes this.
  20. touchedbyjab Double Yellow Card

    touchedbyjab
    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2011
    Messages:
    5,982
    Likes Received:
    11,214
    Interesting post, of which I agree but think of it in slightly different terms of which you may or may not agree with. Jordan Peterson inspired.

    Humans are animals at our core: Chaotic, hedonistic organisms carrying out a Darwinian mission of survival and reproduction, each with our own subjective experiences.

    Humans like any other mammals are social creatures. Respect for the individual can be seen in other species of animals; a dominant wolf will spare the life of a lesser if he exposes his neck. This is a very basic form of order within a dominance hierarchy. This is an objective system, which respects the subjective. Order (collective) respecting the individual (subject.)

    If a Chimp leader becomes too tyrannical and starts killing off members of their group, lesser chimps with a stronger bond will attack it and take over; order and respect is put above an individual's subjective hedonism.

    When many subjects (individuals) become a group, order arises organically; it's built into our core programming.

    The point you bring up is that order comes in different forms: tyrannical leaders, religious kings, false prophets, and men who claim divinity, and religion. Each presents its own set of problems but the order is fair, and protects the individual, and gives our subjective experiences some form of order and protection, it will stand the test of time in an objectively verifiable manner.

    I think for all it's faults, religion brings a bit of order in an uncertain and chaotic world. It has brought many people together and is a complex form of the human subjective experience.

    God could be seen as the ultimate order; a perfect order unattainable by an imperfect subject like humans. A guide to follow, instead of persueing our own hedonistic, chaotic Darwinian solo-mission or the order of a tryrannical leader who is but a fellow subjective hedonist.
     
    #140

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "fd5733925866a04e50edd70f38dfaa35"
monitoring_string = "603ac9fff68f23709f2a42bf5e29272b"