International Zelensky Rejects Trump's Idiotic "Minerals Deal" - Might Tell The US to go F*ck Itself

[Limbo Pete]

There was no ceasefire agreement between Ukraine and Russia in 2019. Any reaction you saw from Vance and Trump at that point was based on the accumulated disrespect and lying zelensky had done leading up to the event today.

what you people can't explain is what viable option Zelensky has if he doesn't comply with Trump on a peace deal now.

It's not a "peace deal", it's surrendering to occupation

 

[MeatheadMike]

There was no ceasefire agreement between Ukraine and Russia in 2019. Any reaction you saw from Vance and Trump at that point was based on the accumulated disrespect and lying zelensky had done leading up to the event today.

Yes there was a ceasfire in 2019

That's why Zelensky would be a fool to sign any peace agreement without security guarantees. As one of our former presidents once said "Fool me once shame on you, fool me -- you can't get fooled again."

what you people can't explain is what viable option Zelensky has if he doesn't comply with Trump on a peace deal now.

I wasnt commenting on that, but reallistically the whole of Europe will continue to back Ukraine. Whether or not that's enough to hold them off remains to be seen.

 

[Deaths Head]

There are several ridiculous demands in Trump's minerals deal proposal to Ukraine. Demands that no country would sign.

1. Trump is demanding $500 billion back from Ukraine which far outstrips the $100 billion the US gave. And it wasn't cash the US gave either. It was all older equipment we had in storage (Bradley's, a few Abrams, artillery, etc.)

2. The aid given to Ukraine were grants given under Biden. Not loans. You don't give "aid" to a country and then turn around and say "Ok give me 500% back." LMAO WTF who would say yes to that?

3. Trump offered no security guarantees or weapons as part of this great deal. So zero incentive for Ukraine to sign it.

4. Trump is demanding $2 back for every $1 in US aid given in the future. Those are worse rates than borrowing money from the mob and basically usury. Why would they borrow from the US then when they could turn around and borrow from the EU at much more normal rates?

5. Trump threatened to turn off Starlink if Ukraine doesn't sign. Starlink is critical for the war effort because it is relied upon for all the GPS targeting for drones, artillery, communications, etc.

6. Trump basically gave zero reason Ukraine should sign this rip off deal. It just amounts to "Give me your shit."

However, a shitload of leaders from the European countries just came to visit Kyiv in solidarity yesterday. They promised more financial support, including reconstruction of the country after the war.

And crucially said they will increase military support. "We have taken unprecedented actions at the EU level to ramp up European defense industry production, and we will continue to increase our capacity. This will allow us to step up our military support and cooperation with Ukraine while simultaneously strengthening our defense readiness and European sovereignty."

The UK even offered sending troops. Some of the countries even suggested NATO membership.

The collective GDP of all these EU countries absolutely dwarfs Russia by several orders of magnitude. If they truly step up like they say they're going to, Ukraine could just tell the US to go fuck itself with it's bullshit minerals deal.

Europe's Commissioner for Industrial Strategy Stéphane Séjourné offered a much more mutually beneficial minerals deal during the visit as well.

So Trump is being an absolutely trying to strongarm what is essentially a robbery.

Western Leaders in Kyiv Stand With Ukraine – With One Obvious Absence

Number 3 is all one needs to know it’s not a real deal unless r that is agreed to bc Russia can still take over and give us what we agreed to Ukraine in the deal…basically we would get more if Russia actually took over Ukraine that’s the crazy thing no one is talking about and why Trump and Vance should be avoided at all cost now…the war can be won but it needs the neighboring countries to help . As far as m concerned we have a rogue president who hopefully gets impeached somehow .

As of now the U.S is acting as a Russian bully to just benefit us …the dumb has elected Trump it’s what we’re known for a country of this era of idiots . Lol

 

[Deaths Head]

What do we get out of supporting Zelensky? Debt? Ukrainian soldiers making videos telling us to go fuck ourselves?

Trump wants to end the war.

Are you really that out of touch ?

 

[Fergelmince]

Yes there was a ceasfire in 2019

That's why Zelensky would be a fool to sign any peace agreement without security guarantees. As one of our former presidents once said "Fool me once shame on you, fool me -- you can't get fooled again."


I wasnt commenting on that, but reallistically the whole of Europe will continue to back Ukraine. Whether or not that's enough to hold them off remains to be seen.

yeah, you're right. BOTH SIDES failed to comply with the stipulations.

Regardless, to assume that Europe can hold off Russia from taking more of Ukraine without the financial backing and military equipment from the United States is incredibly naive and unrealistic.

 

[Squarechoke]

If NATO countries get involved on behalf of Ukraine againt Russia, who has China, North Korea and all their surrounding allies on their side what would we have?

NATO already is involved on behalf of the Ukraine in practice. Even if NATO forces were to enter Ukraine to help them fight on their land there's also absolutely no way that China cares enough about Ukraine to let that escalate into a grand war. If China cared they'd be more active in their help but they just remain at not limiting their partnership with Russia over this war.

If NATO were to actually attack Russia is the only viable road to a large war since that would be an entirely different sort of aggression and would be the west actually threatening the existence of another big world stage player. That wouldn't happen either though since the nuclear threat alone is enough to stop such things from happening.

 

[SandisLL]

NATO already is involved on behalf of the Ukraine in practice. Even if NATO forces were to enter Ukraine to help them fight on their land there's also absolutely no way that China cares enough about Ukraine to let that escalate into a grand war. If China cared they'd be more active in their help but they just remain at not limiting their partnership with Russia over this war.

If NATO were to actually attack Russia is the only viable road to a large war since that would be an entirely different sort of aggression and would be the west actually threatening the existence of another big world stage player. That wouldn't happen either though since the nuclear threat alone is enough to stop such things from happening.

If Ukraine had went into road to become Chinatown since some 2015 th
....then ukr had enough chinesse population and properties, corps etc ....enough for XI to install for exercises ...troops and tell Putin that there are Chinatowns and a lot of chinesse he cares about.
Now it is too late ....

China is sitting and watching, accumulating commodities stockpiles and weapon& ammo and gold etc...

Not likely they will do something military at least this year no.

They hates Russia not lesser than Murcia cos are thinking that part of Siberia does belongs to China not Russia.

 

[SandisLL]

yeah, you're right. BOTH SIDES failed to comply with the stipulations.

Regardless, to assume that Europe can hold off Russia from taking more of Ukraine without the financial backing and military equipment from the United States is incredibly naive and unrealistic.

Money EU does have still enough.
These weapons etc...zelensky told that they will be next, so why to deplete stockpiles?
Zelensky administration told that they will need damn a lot for reconstruction after war... this isn't smart thing to talk about this today.

 

[Scerpi]

Would the Ukrainians prefer to live under democracy or a Russian oligarchs communism/marxism which you right wing guys claim is so evil?

The rest is not trolling. That’s what the US military offers its soldiers. Why should they fold when asked to go to work?

Or should they only be deployed when it’s against sheep herders in sandles? And no longer fight for democracy like the soldiers of WWII did

Lol… the US sponsered a coup in Ukraine.

How’s that Democracy again?

From 2014….

It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war | Seumas Milne

Seumas Milne: The attempt to lever Kiev into the western camp by ousting an elected leader made conflict certain. It could be a threat to us all

www.theguardian.com

The US instilled government that was labeled the most corrupt country in Europe

There’s no good guys here

 

[86'd]

Lol… the US sponsered a coup in Ukraine.

How’s that Democracy again?

From 2014….

It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war | Seumas Milne

Seumas Milne: The attempt to lever Kiev into the western camp by ousting an elected leader made conflict certain. It could be a threat to us all

www.theguardian.com

The US instilled government that was labeled the most corrupt country in Europe

There’s no good guys here

Ya and Russia was trying to influence that election as well.

Democracies give more people a shot that Autocracies like your boy Trump and Putin wish to employ

Bowing down to Putin will only negatively accelerate the US’s place on the international stage

And if not and we align with Russia and China people like yourself should come out and admit you actually never gave a fuck about communism or Marxism.

 

[haysus31]

Europe take a stance and tell America we will do this. . Europe is an old place. The future is Latin America Africa and Asia. Why are we meddling in a region that is not our backyard. Cut these people loose. I fully support cutting the Ukranians off and letting the EU do what they must. I also think that the deal was BS and he shouldn't have signed it. It sounded like the IMF deals that doom many a impoverished country. That being said Zelensky can now shop around and look for a bail out from somewhere. I doubt anyone will give him aide without complete control of the tatters that is going to be their economic future. He is basically going to have to apply for a pay day loan type predatory lending. Let's see how they go when no one 8s getting paid especially "contractors" that have been raking in a nice payday for maintaining western systems. Watch what happens when the US government tells them your security clearance might be reviewed for your involvement in this war zone.

 

[Stoic1]

So...

How's this thread going today?

LOL.




Lil Z trying so hard to be proud while on bended knee.

 

[Andy Capp]

LMAO @ the Art of the Deal.

Yes Trump really showed how to negotiate. Immediately start to belittle the other party and get your son to call him a midget on Twitter.

Do you not see how embarrassing that is on the world stage that the President and VP just acted like little kids having a temper tantrum?

Of course not. He embarrasses himself on here daily.

 

[Andy Capp]

So...

How's this thread going today?

LOL.




Lil Z trying so hard to be proud while on bended knee.

Your post smells of Putin's asshole.

 

[chardog]

It's not a "peace deal", it's surrendering to occupation

They can surrender that 20% they’ve lost now or they can surrender when that becomes 100%

 

[chardog]

Who the fuck knows now. Stop doing mental gymnastics to excuse how retarded they just came off.

They clearly were trying to belittle and chastise him publicly. WTF does that accomplish except making themselves look stupid on a world stage. That shit was embarrassing.

You have no backbone, zelensky offering a veiled threat, wanting to win back what he’s already lost is like conor trying to get back at khabib for the rest of hhis life, thats one L he’s gonna have to accept, the sooner the better.

America should force to get our money back and let ukr and russia hash it out, not our business, not an ally.

 

[Limbo Pete]

They can surrender that 20% they’ve lost now or they can surrender when that becomes 100%

Well since the Putin plan is to take 100% regardless, may as well fight it out

 

[Hog-train]

You have no backbone, zelensky offering a veiled threat, wanting to win back what he’s already lost is like conor trying to get back at khabib for the rest of hhis life, thats one L he’s gonna have to accept, the sooner the better.

America should force to get our money back and let ukr and russia hash it out, not our business, not an ally.

You Trumptards can't just admit the obvious. Him and Vance just made a fool of themselves. They came off really bad and the entire world knows it.

JD Vance: "You didn't say thank you!!!" Within 2 minutes of conversing. LMAO sounded like some elementary school student.

 

[chardog]

You Trumptards can't just admit the obvious. Him and Vance just made a fool of themselves. They came off really bad and the entire world knows it.

JD Vance: "You didn't say thank you!!!" Within 2 minutes of conversing. LMAO sounded like some elementary school student.

I gotta admit, that thank you stuff is dumb as hell, but zelensky is a snake, and he got his vagina pushed in. It was a simple bully tactic that left wing media often uses, but watching that snake squirm was a thing of beauty

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Your post smells of Putin's asshole.

You know his brand do you?