International Zelensky Rejects Trump's Idiotic "Minerals Deal" - Might Tell The US to go F*ck Itself

[Seano]

The minerals deal is not a security guarantee - at all. That's like tissue paper thin.

It really sounds like you want to give them NATO benefits without being a NATO member and are bristling at the idea of them having to contribute something to their own defense, like an actual NATO member would. Its a really weird stance.

 

[Rational Poster]

It does if its a US interest in the middle of their country. We're not putting boots on the ground. Its the best they'll get from us.
We'll negotiate the deal, protect our mutual interests and Europe can supplement whatever else they need.

What use is a minerals deal if the Russians can just come back next year?

What company is going to invest in mining infrastructure that the Russians will steal or destroy?

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Zelensky showing up in his phony special forces uniform should tell you all you need to know about him.

Dude was not in the military.

 

[HereticBD]

The minerals deal is not a security guarantee - at all. That's like tissue paper thin.

Anything short of a promise to fight for them, isn't a security guarantee. As Russia has proven, they don't give a fuck about some toothless promise to defend Ukraine via money laundering.

Anything short of making them a NATO member and declaring that an attack on Ukraine is an attack on them all, is tissue paper thin.

 

[Confucamus]

What use is a minerals deal if the Russians can just come back next year?

What company is going to invest in mining infrastructure that the Russians will steal or destroy?

If you had U.S. mining companies and employees in Ukraine harvesting these materials, it would put Russia in a bad spot. Say what you want about them but they don't want U.S. military intervention. If they attacked and the U.S. employees were in danger, they would have a big issue.

 

[Seano]

What use is a minerals deal if the Russians can just come back next year?

What company is going to invest in mining infrastructure that the Russians will steal or destroy?

Ukraine can't join NATO. The best they can do is install foreign interests in their country.

 

[Rational Poster]

Ukraine can't join NATO. The best they can do is install foreign interests in their country.

They can have a security guarantee and a DMZ without being in NATO.

Ever heard of South and North Korea?

 

[Rational Poster]

If you had U.S. mining companies and employees in Ukraine harvesting these materials, it would put Russia in a bad spot. Say what you want about them but they don't want U.S. military intervention. If they attacked and the U.S. employees were in danger, they would have a big issue.

You say that like United States businesses and citizens weren't already invested in Ukraine prior to the war.

 

[Hog-train]

Anything short of a promise to fight for them, isn't a security guarantee. As Russia has proven, they don't give a fuck about some toothless promise to defend Ukraine via money laundering.

Anything short of making them a NATO member and declaring that an attack on Ukraine is an attack on them all, is tissue paper thin.

Then there is zero point for Ukraine to give the US a favorable minerals deal. They don't benefit at all. Any deal has to be mutually beneficial.

The US could at least offer MORE guaranteed weapons, but they're not even offering that.

 

[HereticBD]

The US could at least offer MORE guaranteed weapons, but they're not even offering that.

But it does nothing to secure them. Like I said, anything short of NATO membership is not a guarantee of any security whatsoever, so what's the point? It's practically a symbolic gesture.

 

[Hog-train]

But it does nothing to secure them. Like I said, anything short of NATO membership is not a guarantee of any security whatsoever, so what's the point? It's practically a symbolic gesture.

Weapons helps secure them because they could fight off another invasion easier. If they run out of weapons, they're completely vulnerable to any Russian military action at any time.

 

[Confucamus]

You say that like United States businesses and citizens weren't already invested in Ukraine prior to the war.

It'd be a lot different if there was a peace treaty broken and a major revenue source for the U.S. (the minerals) and it's employees were put in harm's way.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Anything short of a promise to fight for them, isn't a security guarantee. As Russia has proven, they don't give a fuck about some toothless promise to defend Ukraine via money laundering.

Anything short of making them a NATO member and declaring that an attack on Ukraine is an attack on them all, is tissue paper thin.

You're talking about World War 3.

World War 3 would be America vs Russia, China, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea etc.

America has no strong allies at this point. I'm not so sure America wins that tbh. They haven't won a war in 80 years.

 

[HereticBD]

Weapons helps secure them because they could fight off another invasion easier.

Not unless they're getting a nuke or an iron dome. The only thing keeping this at a stalemate is the continuous support of weapons and money. That's not gonna go on forever. The US is not gonna promise them the very thing they're trying to get out of right now.

Ukraine simply isn't in a good spot. It is what it is.

 

[Hog-train]

Not unless they're getting a nuke or an iron dome. The only thing keeping this at a stalemate is the continuous support of weapons and money. That's not gonna go on forever. The US is not gonna promise them the very thing they're trying to get out of right now.

Ukraine simply isn't in a good spot. It is what it is.

They didn't have a nuke or Iron dome and managed to stave off a much larger Russian military for 3 years.

You've yet to give ANY reason Ukraine should sign this minerals deal.

 

[HereticBD]

They didn't have a nuke or Iron dome and managed to stave off a much larger Russian military for 3 years.

Barely, and if you haven't noticed, the gravy train is coming to an end. The US is not negotiating a deal that puts them right back where they are.

You've yet to give ANY reason Ukraine should sign this minerals deal.

Because they really have no choice. You really need to get it out of your head that Ukraine is negotiating from a position of strength and can make all these demands. They pretty much have to take what's given to them, or they can try and continue the war without unlimited funds and weapons from the US and see how that goes.

 

[Seano]

They can have a security guarantee and a DMZ without being in NATO.

Ever heard of South and North Korea?

But wouldn't that mean Ukraine ceding territory?

 

[Hog-train]

Barely, and if you haven't noticed, the gravy train is coming to an end. The US is not negotiating a deal that puts them right back where they are.

Because they really have no choice. You really need to get it out of your head that Ukraine is negotiating from a position of strength and can make all these demands. They pretty much have to take what's given to them, or they can try and continue the war without unlimited funds and weapons from the US and see how that goes.

They do have a choice. They can simply say no. Because the US is offering literally nothing in return.

If they say yes, they get nothing. If they say no, they get nothing. Literally zero reason for Ukraine to give the US 500 billion in minerals.

 

[Rational Poster]

But wouldn't that mean Ukraine ceding territory?

Where has anyone involved claimed they won't cede any territory?

Zelensky has offered to cede territory, cede mineral rights, and resign as part of a peace deal, but not without some concrete international security guarantee.

 

[Rational Poster]

It'd be a lot different if there was a peace treaty broken and a major revenue source for the U.S. (the minerals) and it's employees were put in harm's way.

How is that different to the billions of pre-war investment and US employees already working there.

Ukraine was turning into a bit a tech hotspot for US companies to outsource for things like game development pre-war. Similar to the other Baltic states.