Would Fedor Emelianenko duck Aspinall like the way Jon Jones is doing?

[VinceArch]

Of course, Fedor would've fought Aspinall.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Overeem ducked defending his Strikeforce title for three years, claiming "injuries" and then competing in K1, and in Japanese MMA organizations while being out "injured" - he was clearly ducking PED testing.

Look at photos of him. PED Overeem could eat original Overeem as an appetizer.

"Then he turned around and accepted a fight with Werdum. Another confirmed PED user" - "confirmed" nearly a DECADE after that fight was signed.

Fedor fought Coleman and Randleman when they were clearly on the juice and accepted to fight Barnett who had already failed 2 tests before Fedor accepted (and would go on to fail 2 more in his career).

And at that time Overeem has not failed a drug test yet. He, just like Werdum, would only fail after being in the UFC. And physique wise he didn't look much different that Randleman or Coleman.

And what did or didn't do has nothing to do with the fact that Fedor very publicly avoided Overeem. And we know this because Fedor said he didn't want to fight Overeem because of steroids. Just to fight and lose to another guy who was also on the juice

We fans got robbed.

 

[Beamzy]

Fedor wouldn't duck for a low flying plane

 

[Royce Greasy]

I think he would duck. He ducked Randy Couture back in the day.

I love Randy think he's great and a hall of famer, but I have little doubt that if he some how got the opportunity to fight Fedor he would get subbed or tko'd pretty decisively, I'd expect that fight to be like the Lindland fight and Fedor aside from eating an early shot had little problems, Fedor wouldn't have trouble with Randy's style.

 

[FriskyRandy]

Fedor would not duck anyone, or pull any of Jones bull shit. Like GSP, Fedor was a great example of a true martial artist is.

 

[BowserJr]

It really depends on his management.

It seemed like he was open to fighting anyone but not anywhere.

 

[mkt]

I love Randy think he's great and a hall of famer, but I have little doubt that if he some how got the opportunity to fight Fedor he would get subbed or tko'd pretty decisively, I'd expect that fight to be like the Lindland fight and Fedor aside from eating an early shot had little problems, Fedor wouldn't have trouble with Randy's style.

Randy was bigger and better than Lindland everywhere, especially in submission defense. Randy got subbed a few times early in his career but worked on his ground game and was never subbed after 2001. He even escaped some bad positions against Big Nog when he was fighting at 45 years old.

The idea of Lindland beating Randy's opponents, HWs like Tim Sylvia, Gonzaga and Pedro Rizzo--or LHWs like Liddell (in Randy's first fight) is laughable. Lindland was flatlined by Belfort in seconds and Randy beat Belfort twice.

What's more, Lindland gave Fedor a pretty tough fight. Fedor had to cheat by grabbing the ropes. All of that goes to show that a bigger, better, more well-rounded wrestler like Randy wouuld likely be a tough opponent for Fedor. He would definitely be the best wrestler Fedor fought. In fact, Randy also beat Fedor's best wrestling opponents (Randleman and Coleman).

 

[Royce Greasy]

Randy was bigger and better than Lindland everywhere, especially in submission defense. Randy got subbed a few times early in his career but worked on his ground game and was never subbed after 2001. He even escaped some bad positions against Big Nog when he was fighting at 45 years old.

The idea of Lindland beating Randy's opponents, HWs like Tim Sylvia, Gonzaga and Pedro Rizzo--or LHWs like Liddell (in Randy's first fight) is laughable. Lindland was flatlined by Belfort in seconds and Randy beat Belfort twice.

What's more, Lindland gave Fedor a pretty tough fight. Fedor had to cheat by grabbing the ropes. All of that goes to show that a bigger, better, more well-rounded wrestler like Randy wouuld likely be a tough opponent for Fedor. He would definitely be the best wrestler Fedor fought. In fact, Randy also beat Fedor's best wrestling opponents (Randleman and Coleman).

I was referring to the style between Lindland and Randy it's the same, sure Randy is bigger but if you really believe that Randy would be a hard fight for prime Fedor I don't know what to tell you that isn't already obvious.

About the Lindland fight Matt landed a nice shot at the start it surprised me but after that it was easy work, the accusation of cheating is so fukking stupid and reaching for an excuse Fedor never grabbed the ropes at any point with his hands his elbow was tucked over the top rope giving him a little leverage and he threw Matt over and proceeded to armbar him. Also I wouldn't talk about cheating when speaking of Lindland the guy pulled enough shady shit in his career one being getting submitted by Bustamante and then lying about it only to have the fight restarted and get subbed again, another incident he got armbarred by Fulton in IFC and tapped and then like before lied about tapping even though it was on replay footage, sad thing is that the fight resumed and Fulton lost that was BS and Fulton deserved that win so don't talk about cheating.


Randy is not the guy to beat Fedor out of all the possible fights for Fedor back then I'd say Barnett, Mir, Sylvia, Mirko, Nog were the toughest opponents sure Randy is in there as well but its been shown that KO power is what stopped Fedor not the tools Randy has.

 

[THE PIT VEGAS]

Fedor lost 3 fights in a row by stoppage in his early 30's, the last one to a 40 year old middleweight. Aspinall is way better then all 3.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Fedor fought Coleman and Randleman when they were clearly on the juice and accepted to fight Barnett who had already failed 2 tests before Fedor accepted (and would go on to fail 2 more in his career).

And at that time Overeem has not failed a drug test yet. He, just like Werdum, would only fail after being in the UFC. And physique wise he didn't look much different that Randleman or Coleman.

And what did or didn't do has nothing to do with the fact that Fedor very publicly avoided Overeem. And we know this because Fedor said he didn't want to fight Overeem because of steroids. Just to fight and lose to another guy who was also on the juice

We fans got robbed.

So entering a tournament with the very real possibility of facing him was ducking him? Got it.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

So entering a tournament with the very real possibility of facing him was ducking him? Got it.

What are you talking about?
Fedor fought Werdum in 2010 instead of fighting Overeem.
The GP started in 2011.

Do you seriously not remember Fedor saying he didn't want to fight Overeem because of steroids? That was in 2010.

This article is from 2010.

Overeem: Fedor doesn't want to fight me

It is kind of funny that Overeem said what I have been saying. That either Fedor or his management don't want him fighting the tough people because they want Fedor to stay top dog. Nobody wants to tarnish their record especially if they are in first place but your a fighter so step up to the...

ball-pythons.net

"I know Fedor's a fighter, he's like me he doesn't care who he fights, so maybe it's the management," Overeem said on Tuesday. "Like I said, it takes two to tango, if he doesn't want to fight or his management if that party doesn't want to fight me, it's not going to happen. But I am going to tell people what's up. I am going to tell that they didn't accept the fight."

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"I've been trying to fight Fedor for sometime now, and Fedor doesn't care to fight me," said Overeem. "What are you going to do if you have one party that wants to fight, and the other party doesn't want to fight, then you don't have a fight. Brett Rogers has wanted to fight me for one year, so I'm willing to fight anybody."

 

[Captain Herb]

No of course Fedor wouldn't duck anyone for 15-20mil, he'd fight them tomorrow. But it's a cultural thing, he's from the Russian Federation of Extremely Evil People and Jones is from the United States of Pussies

 

[Kungpowking]

Fedor wouldn't duck however, Fedor got KO'd by a 40 year old Dan Henderson when he was 34. Jon is 37 now and if he fought a 40 year old Dan Henderson it wouldn't be competitive. It would look like the Rampage fight but it would probably be even easier for Jon.

Another child who didnt actually watch the fight. Probably wasnt old enough to stay up that late back then. Even though they begged their mommy.

 

[forsh]

Fedor was a warrior till the very end. He went out on his shield vs Bader when he didn't have to, he wouldn't have ducked Aspinall. He didn't give a shit about people telling him to retire, he didn't give a shit what people thought about his legacy. He fought till he couldn't and now he trains others.

 

[icemun]

Fedor didnt fear anyone

He took on ANY bus drivers, pizza men and street sweepers

martin lazarov (0-2)
levon lagilava (1-3)
hiroya takada (1-3)
mihail apostolov (0-1)
ryushi yanagisawa (24-25)
lee hasdell (9-14)
chris haseman (20-17)
gary goodridge (23-22)
yuji nagata (0-2)
naoya ogawa (7-2)
zulu (9-9)
hong man choi (4-5)
jaideep singh (2-3)



he would have fought Apiral (if he wasnt in the UFC)

 

[Elegant]

Fedor doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Jon Jones

 

[moreorless87]

Fedor fought Coleman and Randleman when they were clearly on the juice and accepted to fight Barnett who had already failed 2 tests before Fedor accepted (and would go on to fail 2 more in his career).

And at that time Overeem has not failed a drug test yet. He, just like Werdum, would only fail after being in the UFC. And physique wise he didn't look much different that Randleman or Coleman.

And what did or didn't do has nothing to do with the fact that Fedor very publicly avoided Overeem. And we know this because Fedor said he didn't want to fight Overeem because of steroids. Just to fight and lose to another guy who was also on the juice

We fans got robbed.

I think thats pushing it a bit, Reem was an absolute monster at that stage but still Fedor never actually turned the fight down, it was basically his and Reems camps taking shots at each other.

The truth is I'd say Coker wanted to build up to Reem/Fedor rather than put it on right away as he'd probably seen the Affliction fights hadnt drawn a great deal but Fedor lost before it happened.

I would add as well I suspect Coker wasnt TOO sad about that either, using Fedor meant paying a lot and co promoting were as with Werdum he had someone directly under contract and was paying far less. Basically Fedor's hype transferred to making the SF HW division credible, if the owners hadnt cashed in to the UFC I think it had very good potential.

I got the same feeling with Affliction, they werent just looking to promote Fedor and actually would have been quite happy with Arlovski winning for the same reasons, Andrei had been threatening to become a star for a few years before that and beating Fedor might have helped to do that.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

So entering a tournament with the very real possibility of facing him was ducking him? Got it.

The tournament fight was Fedors THIRD fight in Strikeforce. When he signed to SF in late 2009 he was the consensus no1 HW in the world, while Reem was the champion of the org he'd just signed to and one of the most hyped up HWs in the world at the time. It was every bit as obvious of a fight to make as Aspinall/Jones has been for the last 2 years. When he fought Rogers instead some were disappointed, some rolled their eyes and went "told you so" and some rationalized it with stuff like "he just needs to get used to the cage" "its just a fight to introduce him to the SF/American audience" "you cant expect him to fight the champion right off the bat" etc etc. Then he proceeds to not fight Reem again in his next fight, or the fight after that.

I am much more of a Fedor fan than Jon fan, but he is not being held to the same standard here. He ducked an entire promotion, then ducked the biggest fight he could have had outside of that promotion, then ended up losing before long anyway.

 

[moreorless87]

I love Randy think he's great and a hall of famer, but I have little doubt that if he some how got the opportunity to fight Fedor he would get subbed or tko'd pretty decisively, I'd expect that fight to be like the Lindland fight and Fedor aside from eating an early shot had little problems, Fedor wouldn't have trouble with Randy's style.

Yeah that was a fight which was big in terms of hype but not a fight I see being that competitive I think Arlovski was actually a much bigger threat to Fedor, maybe even Sylvia as well because both did have significant KO power.

Randy just doesnt seem to have anything to threaten Fedor with whilst being outgunned heavily in striking and sub grappling. The Nog fight I think was quite revealing of that, granted Randy was a bit older but I think Nog was actually more declined and never had the power Fedor did standing yet he outgunned Randy everywhere, there was no safe tactic for Couture.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

What are you talking about?
Fedor fought Werdum in 2010 instead of fighting Overeem.
The GP started in 2011.

Do you seriously not remember Fedor saying he didn't want to fight Overeem because of steroids? That was in 2010.

This article is from 2010.

Overeem: Fedor doesn't want to fight me

It is kind of funny that Overeem said what I have been saying. That either Fedor or his management don't want him fighting the tough people because they want Fedor to stay top dog. Nobody wants to tarnish their record especially if they are in first place but your a fighter so step up to the...

ball-pythons.net

"I know Fedor's a fighter, he's like me he doesn't care who he fights, so maybe it's the management," Overeem said on Tuesday. "Like I said, it takes two to tango, if he doesn't want to fight or his management if that party doesn't want to fight me, it's not going to happen. But I am going to tell people what's up. I am going to tell that they didn't accept the fight."

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"I've been trying to fight Fedor for sometime now, and Fedor doesn't care to fight me," said Overeem. "What are you going to do if you have one party that wants to fight, and the other party doesn't want to fight, then you don't have a fight. Brett Rogers has wanted to fight me for one year, so I'm willing to fight anybody."

He's saying that Fedor and Overeem were in the same bracket and were expected to win their opening bouts. That means they were going to fight, but Fedor got upset by Werdum.